Chitchat Japan vs China

[kryonlight]

But China still has problems…big problems. 20 years of economic progress had produced a new class of elites and the rich, ready to defend and oppose moves to reform and improvement. Corruption and mal practices remain rampant. It is a big test for the present leadership to overcome such inertia and try new ways to improve the system and put the country towards a path of continued economic success. If they are able and willing to ensure that heads that need to roll in order for the country to progress, the heads indeed roll off the disease body, and be replaced by heads with visions and plans for greater success. No one can guarantee or know of the results in the future, but if they indeed do the right things at the present, just as what Teng did in the early 90s, then there is great hope that the potentials of China will finally be fully exercised and the country takes its rightful place as the first amongst equals amongst nations.

Tan KuKu lah! If Commie Cina already has such big problems, they will die off faster than the Japanese. You still don't understand. Commie chinks are not proud to be commie chinks. The majority of them are dying to get out of that communist shit hole if they have the money and opportunity to do so. There's no pride and honor being a commie chink. If there were, you and Jah the Chigger Jamban would be converting your passports to Commie Cina passports.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Corruption is the cornerstone of any country in poverty,China is still a industrializing country.i predict the problem will lessen over time.people tend to forget that China is still a relatively poor country of 7000 GDP per capital despite it's immense total wealth​.in 30 to 50 years time when China becomes a rich,industrialized, developed country like America and Europe,it's levels will probably stabilize to that of the rich developed country,there would be more resources to tackle problems.

Some people like to say chink civilisations is based on feudalism and no code of honor and no aspirational morality and all bureacrats and all materialistic bourgeoisie and all that bullcrap.have they studied the early history of America?America was based on greed, capitalism,merchantilism,free market,"entrepreneurialship" and Protestant code of ethics,the only branch of Christianity to embrace wealth and greed and financial well being.and 70 percent of Americans are religious cunts,in other words they are no different from the money grubbing, materialistic bourgeoisie chink cunts except worse they are Bible thumpers. and today America's the greatest country in the world,where the streets are paved with gold,dreams do come true and anything is possible with all the money and technology and unlimited immigrant talents?

Yet when the China communist party aspire to the same things it's all

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Tan KuKu lah! If Commie Cina already has such big problems, they will die off faster than the Japanese. You still don't understand. Commie chinks are not proud to be commie chinks. The majority of them are dying to get out of that communist shit hole if they have the money and opportunity to do so. There's no pride and honor being a commie chink. If there were, you and Jah the Chigger Jamban would be converting your passports to Commie Cina passports.

what BS? US is pretty cool but i'm not converting to become a US citizen. See how retarded your logic is.

 

[kryonlight]

what BS? US is pretty cool but i'm not converting to become a US citizen. See how retarded your logic is.

Only if the US dollar and cost of living is as cheap as Commie Cina. So why aren't you moving to Cinaland since chink communism is so good? A 2nd or 3rd tier chink city should be affordable for you.

 

[scroobal]

I fully aware of the atrocities from the rape of Nanking, the death railway to Sook Ching. I am also aware that Mao murdered million of his own people and far more than any Japanese and the worst human tragedy in mankind. That is not what this topic is all about.

I had originally not wanted to comment anymore on the thread. However, TS continued comments in praise of the jappies made me want to respond to his views.

He again seem to time and again emphasized the jap attention to details, neatness and throughout and executed plans as reflected, even in the streets.

I ask, so what? He seem to imply, in his view, because China and the Chinese do not seem to be able to work in similar fashion as the japs, somehow, in comparison, China is more backward, maybe able to achieve less than what the japs could do….but then, at the moment, who is making great economic strides year after year and soon, or already achieved the world’s number one economy status and who is the cuntry mired in a 20 year deflationary cycle, unable to get out of it?

SO WHAT? The germans too are very well known as a people for being detailed, precise and execute well thought out plans. During WW2, it has been found, germans even use the ibm machines to keep track, account and execute their ‘final solution’ against the jews. Imagine six million people just sent to their deaths, in the process, all their wealth, possessions, accumulated for generations got systematically robbed by the germans. They even collected the teeth and hair of the victims for use in some way to benefit the war torn german economy. So what? Do we then clap out hands and celebrate such a fantastic feat of racial, ethnic genocide and praise the germans for such a great deed….come on, it is not easy, logistically to manage to herd six million people to their deaths and harvest their wealth in the process. Such a crime against humanity and open robbery was and still is unprecedented in human history, except when we take a closer comparison with what the japs did. The japs might have done even a better more precise job against China, Korea and the rest of Asia. Let’s take a look.

The japs, being detailed as ‘praised’ more or less were able to execute their war plans ‘perfectly’. They surprised the amerigos with a direct destruction of their hawaii naval base so that uarsesA could not use their naval power to stop the jap mighty sweep down S E Asia. When the japs execute their sook ching operations in China, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia, it was said and observed that they had already detailed plans of how to execute such genocidal plans – they already had lists of ‘anti-jap’ locals whom they wanted to arrest and execute, even before they conquered each SE Asian country. They had plans for how the local population were to be ‘taxed’ to punish their support of ‘anti jappie’ invasion and how comfort women were to be gathered for the entertainment of their troops. All the actions which went to support and sustain the great jap drive to build their imperial empire!!! So, do we also clap our hands and say, well done jappie dogs, you did very well to rob and increase the wealth of the jappie imperials by executing this tremendous logistical deed against the peoples of Asia!!!!

Not forgetting too another seldom discussed and not well known ‘genocidal’ deed by the japs, the murders and robbing of 20 million North Eastern Chinese people during WW2. Sooner or later, some researcher is going to uncover this great feat…do we then also celebrate such great attention to details for the japs to managed killing 20 million people and robbing the resources of the North East …a deed worse or better???? than the german killing and robbing of 6 million jews???.

One must ask the question – what or how do the ordinary germans and japs feel about such abdominal deeds of mass genocide? Besides the usual excuses of ‘…I am only following orders’, ‘…I have no choice or else I myself would be harmed’…there were also inventive ones like ‘…the propaganda media machines kept us in the dark…we don’t know anything…so could not do anything…” The jap simbums ran daily and weekly contests to celebrate the ‘execution champions’ – laughable bushido warriors who were able to cut off the most heads of the Chinese victims, kill the Chinese in the most inventive and atrocious manner….” Hirohito was pictured, time and again, on page one simbum dancing in glee over the conquest of one Chinese City after another…North East, Nanking, Beijing, …..

The german presses also celebrated and reported the drive of the army into europe…each time one european country fell under german boots, they clapped….So are we still able to accept the excuse that the japs and germans do not know of these genocides? Other than following orders, I do not know, being detailed and presumably educated and knowledgeable, would the germans and japs not think for themselves….no, no, killing other people on a mass scale is a no, no….it is immoral, inhuman….just like killing dogs and cats and eating people are no…no….

If we look at what the germans and japs did in atonement of their genocides, the contrasts were stark and obvious. The germans admitted to their deeds. Straight away, they suffered the splitting of their german land into east and west, they got occupied by the soviets and the allies. They admitted their crimes against humanities, some who could be caught got sentenced to death or prison sentences…germans vowed, never ever to do such a genocidal deed again!!

In contrast, the japs had it good. The japs had their imperial system intact….hirohito continued to dance his dances in celebration of past glories in his palace. Then, the amerigos had a great idea….in order to prevent the recovery and rise of China, the spread of Chinese Communism, the jappies were given great help technologically and financially to improve productivity and drive their economy towards the successes of the 60s, 70s, 80s…so much so, jappies in turn became the gurus of the amerigos and europeans for productivity and industrial progress…this was the early amerigo ‘pivot in Asia’.

….the jappies, NEVER openly and officially say sorry to any of the countries or peoples in Asia who suffered under their imperial broken dreams…whatever compensation they offered to victims and comfort women were dispensed with reluctance and miserly. Whatever help they provided to Asian countries in improving their industry systems and productivities were investments made in anticipation of the opening of greater markets for jappie products and profits….japs NEVER SAID SORRY.….

So what do we made of the above? Even if the japs are detailed and precise so what? Do they respect other people and humanity as a whole…seriously no. They are now trying to change their war time constitution in order to be armed….one day, their imperial ambitions will be revived again…that is the worry of the peoples of Asia.

If the japs are so good because they are precise and detailed…why is it that they are mired in a 20 year deflationary cycle? Unable to get out of the death traps? Why are they not number two or three economically like in the 70s and 80s?

The reason of course, already mentioned, they are homogenous and homogenously dense …they dare not do the necessary or anything different to save their economy. At the base level, for example, we are talking about their unwillingness to change the system, for to do so would thread on many many self and built in interests and reduction of privileges for the elites….they know it is not right…..the patronage system whereby retired civil servants who just before or after retirement get sinecures from the very organizations they monitored for legal & regulatory compliance in the past.. a big conflict of interest…yet they continued with the system…which jappie civil servant in his right mind, who at the age of 50+ or 60, does not want to have another guaranteed iron rice bowl, even if means to work for the very organizations they monitored in the past and that is morally and ethically incorrect…they don’t want to change the system, the privileges, the benefits…even if the cuntry is mired in a 20 year deflationary cycle….don’t change, don’t rock the boat…continue to enjoy your beneftis….let the cuntry be dammed!!!!

If we look at China, again we see big contrasts – they just got out of the disastrous Cultural Revolution when the initiator died in 1976…the country is mired in economic difficulties…the power that be would have let things be and continued with the system of governance. Luckily, there were enough nationalistic and country loving people around…they know to let the gang of four continue with their regime would be disastrous….they then overthrew the GOF, throw out the remnants of revolutionary elements, get rid of the in built self interests and in the process offended many many old cadres. Teng was condemned and called a revisionist, an anti revolutionary. His life was in great danger.
But the country was still in trouble, tethering on the brink of collapse by the centrally planned system. That was why the leaders bravely went on in mid to late 80s to visit various countries and try to learn how to turn in better economic results…..the result was a gradual retreat of the centrally planned system on to one that motivates the people to work hard, for themselves….if they are successful, others will follow. The rest is history…

Today, if we look at China and japs, we see a world of difference. One is rising towards world number one economy….great strides in science, technology, industry, in many cases beyond what amerigo and euros did or able to do. Space, science, patents….. In contrast, the latter is still struggling along with negative interest rates and massive printing of money to maintain the dying economy.
The big difference between the two countries is just that, the Chinese powers that be are willing to change the system, destroying built in self-interests and offending the elites – all for the better good of the country and the welfare of the people. They are revolutionaries without the violence but no less deadly against established interests.

Of course, we cannot totally blame the japs for their unwilling to change and improve. The same happens in amerigo. We now have a revolutionary who knows the problem, wanted to reform the existing system, reduce the federal reserve powers, rein in the bankers, their privileges and their robbery of the financial system. But, so long as bi partisan politics continue to exist, it will be hard for Trump to succeed in his drive to make America Great Again. The established self interests have ensured that his every move and new policy improvement is opposed and defeated. Very sad for such a country with potential……unless, they really are able to produce a great revolutionary to lead and put the country into a new and different path of development.

But China still has problems…big problems. 20 years of economic progress had produced a new class of elites and the rich, ready to defend and oppose moves to reform and improvement. Corruption and mal practices remain rampant. It is a big test for the present leadership to overcome such inertia and try new ways to improve the system and put the country towards a path of continued economic success. If they are able and willing to ensure that heads that need to roll in order for the country to progress, the heads indeed roll off the disease body, and be replaced by heads with visions and plans for greater success. No one can guarantee or know of the results in the future, but if they indeed do the right things at the present, just as what Teng did in the early 90s, then there is great hope that the potentials of China will finally be fully exercised and the country takes its rightful place as the first amongst equals amongst nations.

Finally, what of the much praised jap attention to details and great execution of plans? It is just but one feature out of the so many factors that ensure whether a country can be successful or not. All these factors need to be properly harnessed, by nationalistic, country loving leaders who are willing to challenge the norm, change the system, offend the self interests….if not the country will still remain for the next 50 years (if they can last that long) in a deflationary cycle and eventually implode towards total collapse….
Just so little for the destinies of failed bushido progenies,,,,

Cheers.

 

[fupikee]

I fully aware of the atrocities from the rape of Nanking, the death railway to Sook Ching. I am also aware that Mao murdered million of his own people and far more than any Japanese and the worst human tragedy in mankind. That is not what this topic is all about.

Sorry TS, my emphasis is also not about who killed more people.

You yourself seem to have lost the original nuances of your thread.

Kindly read what I have written through. My answers and examples cited are opposed views to your supposed theory that just because the japs seem to do things in detail, able to plan and execute well, versus China and the Chinese which supposedly are not able to do in similar fashion as the jappies. The implication is that somehow, japs are superior than Chinese (of course in not so obvious language, but the meaning was clear).

I have cited historical known facts that refuted your supposed implication that somehow japs are superior. Yet, for all their supposed superiority, they have not able to raise above their long held habits or learned cultural practices to rehabilitate their economy and give the citizens a better life. The cuntry remains mired in the 20 year deflationary cycle.

I rest my case.

 

[frenchbriefs]

I fully aware of the atrocities from the rape of Nanking, the death railway to Sook Ching. I am also aware that Mao murdered million of his own people and far more than any Japanese and the worst human tragedy in mankind. That is not what this topic is all about.

how is a famine considered as a massacre or genocide?its the peasants fault they were not able to feed themselves.PAP already said sinkies should not adopt a "blame mentality" instead they should adopt the "juche mentality".

not to mention its those bastards ang mohs fault for not hosting a "World Aid" concert for china,starring Bono,U2,Queen,Sting and Michael Jackson.how come they did that for Africa and not China?

so many antagonists still refuses to acknowledge the feats of China,China is the only third world country so far to lift itself and hundreds of millions of souls out of poverty through the sheer force of will of the chinese while theres still tons of third world countries out there suffering from mass famine and disease and epidemics and still helpless and reliant on foreign aid,like the fucking putang ina mo land........meanwhile china is out there building megasuperhighways,megabridges,megaports,sending probes to space and whatnot,while u guys can only sit on the internet and scratch ur balls while pontificating about how Japan can do such and such?like who the fuck cares?u honestly think China is unable to do the same high tech stuff as Japan,that somehow Japs accomplishments makes them so special?its only a matter of fucking time and thats it Japan will be completely obsolete and redundant,not like they already arent their society and culture is already demolecularizing and disintegrating into a puddle of self contained isolationist goo with all that fetish shit and declining birth rate and degrading social norms.America is bitching because she is afraid that she will too one day go down the path of obsolescence.Like the fucking comfort taxi drivers of today.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Am not a social studies person, I guess that it could be their sense of "Bushido" which makes them adhere to a sense of honour to the things they do/ task they're assigned.? This makes the person committed to the highest standards s/he can attain. It may be a conscious or subconcious trait, but will make the person exert effort into the things they do. Don't know whether this is a part of Nip culture, but it definitedly lends a sense of pride in one's work.

Cheers!

Agree with the points that you raised. Make sense. Thanks for taking time to explain.

I am still trying to find out what particular factor or traits drives the Japanese.Even before WWII and after the war,....................

 

[mojito]

Am not a social studies person, I guess that it could be their sense of "Bushido" which makes them adhere to a sense of honour to the things they do/ task they're assigned.? This makes the person committed to the highest standards s/he can attain. It may be a conscious or subconcious trait, but will make the person exert effort into the things they do. Don't know whether this is a part of Nip culture, but it definitedly lends a sense of pride in one's work.

Cheers!

Very insightful yes. That does not fully explain why the Germans have the same passion for quality too. Or Singaporeans in the past. Perhaps success breeds pride. Why does success breed pride in some instances and complacency in others?

 

[fupikee]

You missed the point.

Missed what point? Please elaborate.

My answers are not directly in response to your posts on feudalism. My comments are in response to TS comments on japs and their supposed superior attention to details.

Ok, just a little on feudalism.

Feudalism has been dead since many many years ago when the Magna Charter was first signed. Why? Because, people do not accept the natural divine right of ‘kings’ This means that just because someone says that he is ‘king’ so and so and claim privileges and rights against ordinary citizens, he can freely do so and people just accept it, allow the kings to tax them at will, allow kings to hold a right of life or death over citizens. Some m&ds exactly claimed to be a ‘king xxx’ He or they got arrested and now in prison.

At the ground level too, people do not just accept some thuggish young man come along and claim to be the progeny of so and so, and demanded that all young brides spent their first night (that is, open up the cunt) with the baron or king. Imagine the agony, pain and sufferings of some other young man whose bride got fucked for the very first time by someone claiming to be baron, king, etc and spent the next generation wondering if the first son or daughter who resulted from his marriage to his young bride was really his biological progeny. Would he also accept or willing to take pride that some baron or king, after the first night of fucking, decided to keep the young bride for his own?. Most people would not accept such heinous practices against ordinary citizens. That was why a few hundred years ago, the magna charter was forced upon the ‘kings’ in order to limit the so called natural rights of kings and that these idiots claiming to be kings ought to act in a fair and equal manner to its citizens.

In a nutshell, people do not just accept that there is a natural aristocracy, just because someone is the progeny of someone who did ‘great’ deeds in the past. People do not accept that just by accident of birth, some idiot can claim to be a natural aristocrat and king and rule over citizens.

Of course , in real life, the kingship process is not so easy as supposedly someone claiming to be king. It was a rigorous process to weed out the chaff from the real leaders. In history, we always see kings leading campaigns or wars against the country’s enemies. If they were victorious, they then could claim and people would accept them as their ‘king’. In China, the dynasty starters are all well respected, even up to today – Shih Huang Ti, Liu Bei, Li Ming, etc.

In practical terms, the kings don’t expect that the struggles had to go through to gain the kingship should be repeated every time the king passed on. So the rule arose, kingship was passed on to the king’s first born son or someone he designed as the ‘crown price’. This was just a practical way to ease the question of succession and the transfer of powers.

In reality, of course, the above rule don’t really hold true, for people around seldom want to accept a natural born and natural right to be king. We see in history, Shih Huang Ti designed crown prince first son got manipulated and sent far far away and finally got murdered by Shih’s own trusted vassal of many years, Li Shi. We also see Li Shi Ming, the second son of Li Ming claiming kingship because in his view, as he helped his father with many of the conquests and establishment of the Tang dynasty, he had more rights to be king than his useless crown prince brother. He went on the successfully take the throne and proved to be a good, caring and progressive Tang emperor.

In real life, the kingship process was never smooth and natural. There were always many people around the king who would ask the questions – is this man a good man deserving to be our king? If so, prove to us. That was why we see in history, many many challenges to the supposed naturally designated king so much so that at times idiots lose their crowns and heads because some other better man or relative did not agree such idiots ought to be kings. The same torturous experience to establish kingship could be seen not only in Chinese dynasties, but also Korean, jappie or europen ones. It is only natural – in the wild, the lion king is constantly being challenged. One day if it is not able to beat down the challenges, he automatically loses the right to be number to the harem.

Today, the kingship process has evolved down to just the basics – yes there can be kings, but they no longer are allowed political or legislative powers. Every few years, people of the country make a review of the kingship and decide how much the king ought to be paid. The king in turn is just expected to play a ceremonial role, be the symbol of the nation that is all that can be accepted in modern governance. Prince Philip or Prince Charles always got lambasted by the media if they ever have the temerity to comment on a current event of the county. In times of crisis, the kingship plays the unifying force of the nation, but he is still not allowed political and legislative powers. In built self interest ensured that the powers of kings are kept to the minimum. Kingship and feudalism are long dead. People do not accept natural aristocracy and the automatic divine rule of kings – they even had to proof their mantle before taking on the ceremonial role of kingship.

Why so much verbiage on this topic? To refute categorically the point that countries and people who had a ‘feudal’ and ‘kingship’ system are progressive and are superior to other nations without feudalism and kingship. Just take a look at the world today and we can see countries claiming to have strong kingship do have a lot more problems than others who are free to practice free, flexible political and legislative systems. The prime and foremost example is of course the japs….mired in 20 years of deflationary cycle, unable to escape or seek any solution to the problems, except the use of destructive negative interest rates and massive quantitative easing time and again.

I rest my case.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Feudalism ended when the Magna Carta was forced upon the king?what?here i was thinking,the aristocracy finally fell in the 20th century when the Nicholas Tsar was executed by the commoners or Bolsheviks,marking the rise of communism.

and this word "king" i thought it was just one of the many names for it emperor,monarch,sultan,rajah,tsar,caliph,maharajah,shah.there were kings everywhere,in every culture,every civilisation,in fact i cant think of any civilisation that was truly democratic besides the greeks?and the romans for a brief period of time.in fact people still believe in kings dont they,with one as recent as 2015 named LKY.

even if the Kings werent powerful either politically or militarily or economically during periods of history,power was still held in the hands of warlords or different nobles and "houses".

and yes i am confused,what is the relationship between "feudalism" and "monarchies" and the progressiveness and superiority of a culture/civilisation?

 

[scroobal]

If asked to pick a product made by the Chinese and that made by the Japanese and if the price is the same, most people will pick the Japanese made product. Not because they love the Japanese but the product is expected to be of higher quality and standard.

I struggle to pick any product that is Chinese made that is superior to the Japanese.

You can prove your point by picking a product that is considered superior and Chinese made.

Sorry TS, my emphasis is also not about who killed more people.

You yourself seem to have lost the original nuances of your thread.

Kindly read what I have written through. My answers and examples cited are opposed views to your supposed theory that just because the japs seem to do things in detail, able to plan and execute well, versus China and the Chinese which supposedly are not able to do in similar fashion as the jappies. The implication is that somehow, japs are superior than Chinese (of course in not so obvious language, but the meaning was clear).

I have cited historical known facts that refuted your supposed implication that somehow japs are superior. Yet, for all their supposed superiority, they have not able to raise above their long held habits or learned cultural practices to rehabilitate their economy and give the citizens a better life. The cuntry remains mired in the 20 year deflationary cycle.

I rest my case.

 

[scroobal]

It is clearly a key factor. The code of conduct is one area that I am keen to understand.

Am not a social studies person, I guess that it could be their sense of "Bushido" which makes them adhere to a sense of honour to the things they do/ task they're assigned.? This makes the person committed to the highest standards s/he can attain. It may be a conscious or subconcious trait, but will make the person exert effort into the things they do. Don't know whether this is a part of Nip culture, but it definitedly lends a sense of pride in one's work.

Cheers!

 

[scroobal]

If you worked hard to achieve success, pride comes in, if you did not work hard , complacency sets in. You can see it with the current PM.

Very insightful yes. That does not fully explain why the Germans have the same passion for quality too. Or Singaporeans in the past. Perhaps success breeds pride. Why does success breed pride in some instances and complacency in others?

 

[frenchbriefs]

Chinese laptops?lenovo is a powerhouse now with the biggest marketshare in notebooks.dont think I ever had a machine this durable and long lasting after I got my Lenovo in 2013.used to be a fan of vaio Sony because of it's looks and how well though out the functions of the laptop came as a package,but it was fragile and broke down all too soon.this Lenovo just keeps going despite all the heavy usage and punishment I put it through everyday,and it's almost never off for the past 4 years,I just simply shut the cover and put in on standby.

Japan has lost the laptop and smartphone race.vaio is too damn expensive and weak hardware.its handphone industry is a complete mystery altogether,japanese handphones used to be cutting edge technology with all kinds of innovations but it catered mainly to the domestic market and Japanese tastes and never really took off elsewhere,the reason was the domestic Jap market was huge and the makers and vendors were largely contented with the success they had domestically.then came the gamechanging Iphone.overnight the japanese "keitai" market collapsed.

while the massive domestic market in China is fuelling smartphone innovations and growth at a lightning rate in China,with Huawei becoming one of the top three juggernauts in global market share,Jap handphone business has stagnated and gone nowhere,watching as their handphone marketshare get eroded by imported smartphones.

 

[frenchbriefs]

Am not a social studies person, I guess that it could be their sense of "Bushido" which makes them adhere to a sense of honour to the things they do/ task they're assigned.? This makes the person committed to the highest standards s/he can attain. It may be a conscious or subconcious trait, but will make the person exert effort into the things they do. Don't know whether this is a part of Nip culture, but it definitedly lends a sense of pride in one's work.

Cheers!

i think most of Asian culture or at least the East asian cultures are hard,fastidious workers,obssession with perfection and attentioned to details,which u can see from the western portrayal of Asians being highly ambitious,overachievers,tiger mums and the constant pursuit of excellence in any area of our endeavours.......unfortunately just because the passion and desire is there does not mean the results are necessary the same due to technical abilities or technological differences.

look at youtube videos of north korea children performing,its obvious these kids are amazingly talented and highly disciplined,north korean music is amazing and out of this world,clearly theres some great musical and composing talent there.whose to say north koreans are any less talented or capable or hardworking than south koreans counterparts if given the chance to ?people love to mock and make fun of north korea's backwards and outdated military,but in my opinion what they have achieved with their nuclear programme is nothing short of phenomenal and rocket science considering the limited amount of resources and technological know how they have,i watched a lecture about north korea's nuclear programme and how far it has progressed in the past ten years especially with the advent and availability of cheap chinese technology available just across the border.

as for the bushido isnt that some kind of exclusive warrior or samurai code?what does it have to do with the rest of the general population?

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Only if the US dollar and cost of living is as cheap as Commie Cina. So why aren't you moving to Cinaland since chink communism is so good? A 2nd or 3rd tier chink city should be affordable for you.

Cos Sg is my home dumb shit. Btw why aren't you moving to the US since US is so good?

 

[fupikee]

Feudalism ended when the Magna Carta was forced upon the king?what?here i was thinking,the aristocracy finally fell in the 20th century when the Nicholas Tsar was executed by the commoners or Bolsheviks,marking the rise of communism.

and this word "king" i thought it was just one of the many names for it emperor,monarch,sultan,rajah,tsar,caliph,maharajah,shah.there were kings everywhere,in every culture,every civilisation,in fact i cant think of any civilisation that was truly democratic besides the greeks?and the romans for a brief period of time.in fact people still believe in kings dont they,with one as recent as 2015 named LKY.

even if the Kings werent powerful either politically or militarily or economically during periods of history,power was still held in the hands of warlords or different nobles and "houses".

and yes i am confused,what is the relationship between "feudalism" and "monarchies" and the progressiveness and superiority of a culture/civilisation?

Hello French

I am glad you asked about kings, etc.

The concept of kingship (or emperor or raja or whatever you call) was a very powerful force. In the days before Magna Charter, it meant that anyone who was king had the powers of life and death over his subjects. If they wanted anyone to die, it was totally acceptable that someone would obey the king and execute the deed to drag the victim off to have him killed. In practical terms, it also means the king could just demand any amount of tax on his subjects and the subjects, die die must pay this tax, even at the danger to life, limb, family or livelihood. People could even be forced to surrender their planting seeds to the tax collectors and the whole family go into famine the following year.

With such unlimited powers, this of course eventually lead to abuse, one example was what I cited that the king or his lesser kings, maybe a baron can command that all new brides spent their first night with the king or baron. It was their kingly right that when they decided to keep the bride after the first night, the groom had no way to recourse. Of course, they would be many other forms of power abuses, such that even barons were subjected to very high taxes or were commanded to perform some very unpleasant tasks by the kings. Eventually, beyond certain limits of abuse, people rebelled. The magna charter was signed when a group of barons in 13th century England rebelled against the king for all the unjust, abusive and excessive demands. For the first time (in Europe) , people had this concept that the powers of the kings could be curbed and limited. The whole process of curbing the powers of the king was not smooth. However, eventually the powers of the kings were limited, that is, how much taxes he could demand, what kind of laws he could proclaim etc. After some time, kings were all, more or less stripped of even their powers to demand for tax or to make laws, for these important roles get entrusted to an elected body of legislators (law makers) known as the parliament (or whatever name each country chose).

Chinese emperorship did not run in similar fashion, but the powers of the emperors were also somehow limited. The system was the Confucian ethnical system adopted more than 2000 years ago that defined what roles and types of behavior each person, from the emperor downwards were expected to play. It was a powerful social ethical force that curbed any excesses that an emperor might impose. Of course, it still lead to excesses and abuse of powers by some emperors, but the people, learning from the precedent set during the first proper dynasty, the Chin dynasty (that is Shih Huang Ti’s regime) – if the emperor was excessive in their exercise of powers, he would have lost the ‘mandate from heaven’ and the people had the right to rebel and disobey the emperor. That was why after many years, each dynasty fall into some sort of abuse, leading to excessive taxes or emperor demands and the people rebelled and over throw the particular dynasty and a new one arose. The longest was the Tang, which lasted over 400 years during which China was the glorious centre of the world, with borders extending eastwards to Korean, southwards towards Vietnam or even S E Asia, westwards towards Xingjiang and Tibet.

Coming back to the present day, the powers of kings are definitely limited to a ceremonial role. It was not accepted by all people that anyone, by accident of birth can claim kingship and demand right to tax and life and death powers over citizens. And no, the powers of kingship did not get curbed only when the last Tsar was executed. It was lost long ago after magna charter was signed when people realized they had a right to oppose and curb the excessive abuses of kingship power. Tsar Nicholas in his own way had his powers limited not only by the Orthodox Church, but also by some other powerful families or military personalities.

A king would not be some super duper superman, capable to govern and rule over millions of people. He could not be 24/7 monitor that all his subjects obey his laws. So usually, a king would appoint some sort of representative to the king to rule over parcels of land, provinces or districts. They might be known as barons, choo hous, governors, warlords, nobles, etc. These appointed were usually trusted allies, comrades or relatives of the king. In China, the system was refined so that top scholars take on these roles and were beholden to the emperor to act appropriately. In a way, it is a check on any abuses arising out of the patronage system in that no one appointed could be ensured an iron rice bowl over one particular area over a long period of time. They could be rotated or appointed to different provinces to act as governors from time to time. But, all were beholden to the emperor who had the powers to change the appointments if abuses arise out of these govenors.
Of course, humans being humans would not sensibly or rationally act in the best interests of the kings – many barons, governors set up their own little kingdoms in the areas they control and usually some sort of abuse of powers would take place – excessive taxes or tributes, beyond what were demanded by the king. Some even set up their own private armies and might even challenge the king or emperor for the position. If the king or emperor was too engrossed in his pleasure pursuits, old or incompetent, and neglected his kingly duties to monitor his governors, these king wannabes might succeed . That was why throughout history, we come to know of this or that family/house or baron holding vast powers and could even overthrow the existing king.

Your last part of your question, I do not really understand what you wanted for "feudalism" and "monarchies" and the progressiveness and superiority of a culture/civilization.

Suffice to say, no one civilization can claim absolute superiority over another different civilization. They could be judged as superior and/or progressive only to the extend of the circumstances surrounding it in any particular period of time. Thus, in history, two or more powerful kingship systems/civilizations could exist together at the same period of time, but no one could claim that they were superior versus others – for example, the Chinese civilization existed in tandem with the Indian, Persian empires, in different parts of the world with perhaps vastly different modes of operations. However, due to the slowness of communications and information, reasonable comparisons of superiorities would be difficult.

Nowadays, the situation is different. The existence of the internet and the advances in technologies provided instant data and eventually information. Thus, we can easily make comparisons of the economic or military strength of each country. Who has the superior performance, it is easy to monitor and comment upon, but it still depends on the circumstances of each country and points of debate and agreements can then be made. Judgements on superior performance are still subjective.
Ok that is about all. I hope my explanation of the various concepts and practical implications help you in your pursuit of your own personal knowledge.

Cheers

 

[fupikee]

If asked to pick a product made by the Chinese and that made by the Japanese and if the price is the same, most people will pick the Japanese made product. Not because they love the Japanese but the product is expected to be of higher quality and standard.

I struggle to pick any product that is Chinese made that is superior to the Japanese.

You can prove your point by picking a product that is considered superior and Chinese made.

HA HA, you have clearly lost your argument on the superiority of the jappies.

Your point above already very well refuted by French by citing examples of Chinese products superior or doing better than jap ones.

This forum thread has been a good run. Good bye screweee.

 

[kryonlight]

Cos Sg is my home dumb shit.

LOL! A racist yellow nationalist calling a little red dot surrounded by a sea of shit skins his home? LOL! Come on, tell me a better joke. :kma: