Ivermectin Roll Out In Slovakia Leads To Sharper Daily Case Decline Than In mRNA Countries

[zhihau]

Vaccines don't work miracles. There will always be instances where they don't perform as planned.

Rather than hype the exceptions we need to look at the overall CFR of the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated and as long the data shows a significant reduction it means the vaccines are working as intended.

Boss, so you going for inactivated-virus-type vaccine? I got my slot

 

[Leongsam]

Boss, so you going for inactivated-virus-type vaccine? I got my slot

Not available in NZ yet.

 

[zhihau]

Not available in NZ yet.

God speed!

 

[porcaputtana]

Unfortunately the reputation of Ivermectin is tainted by antivaxxers.

Anti vaxxers should swallow tons and tons of these to prove that they are right

after all they are no more intelligent than farm animals

 

[Leongsam]

Anti vaxxers should swallow tons and tons of these to prove that they are right

after all they are no more intelligent than farm animals

I don't think anything should be dismissed without first looking at the data.

If Ivermectin makes no difference then what is enabling Slovakia to dodge the Delta variant while Israel is starting to give booster shots?

An open mind is a crucial part of scientific discovery.

 

[LaoTze]

As if reports and news from India can ever be believed in!

India claiming 436k deaths from CECAcorona when all other reports pointed to at least 6 million deaths.

And we know Indians lie and cheat half the time and the other half the time they talk absolutely nonsence.

The only thing true of India is that India using cowdung and cow urine as miracle cure for covid 19 while desperately looking for oxygen cylinders and gathering firewoood

 

[Leongsam]

As if reports and news from India can ever be believed in!

India claiming 436k deaths from CECAcorona when all other reports pointed to at least 6 million deaths.

And we know Indians lie and cheat half the time and the other half the time they talk absolutely nonsence.

The only thing true of India is that India using cowdung and cow urine as miracle cure for covid 19 while desperately looking for oxygen cylinders and gathering firewoood

Just discount the data out of dodgy countries like India and the USA. One country inflates the figures while the other depresses them.

 

[LaoTze]

Just discount the data out of dodgy countries like India and the USA. One country inflates the figures while the other depresses them.

India total cases at least 70 million . See what they reporting

And note India cured most of their cases too.

Must be from the cowdung and cowurine that India got in abundance, as well as the shit and pee that Indians making in the fields and behind the bushes

 

[porcaputtana]

Just discount the data out of dodgy countries like India and the USA. One country inflates the figures while the other depresses them.

Lets talk basic pharmacology

Explain to me how anti helmintic can work as an anti viral when the mechanism of action is totally different

It's the same uneducated folly as dumbass shit for brain patients who demand antibiotics all the time for URTI

 

[Leongsam]

Lets talk basic pharmacology

Explain to me how anti helmintic can work as an anti viral when the mechanism of action is totally different

It's the same uneducated folly as dumbass shit for brain patients who demand antibiotics all the time for URTI

Many anti virals have been discovered by accident and were then used "off label" which means they are being prescribed for illnesses they were not designed to deal with.

Any drug which interferes with a viruses ability to replicate or bind with cells has a potential to be used as anti viral medication.

In the current battle against Covid many existing drugs are being tested in a lab setting to see whether they inhibit viral replication. When they appear to work in the lab they are then tested in human trials to see whether they make any difference.

Effective treatment is probably more important than a vaccine. A course of pills can reach almost every community in the world. Vaccines only help rich countries.

 

[porcaputtana]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...irus-can-change-its-shape-to-improve-survival

if big Pharma wants to treat covid, they will just develop a new anti viral instead of randomly testing old out of patent drugs

they have the means and tech , and a new drug will make much more money than hedging on some old deworming pill

 

[nayr69sg]

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...irus-can-change-its-shape-to-improve-survival

if big Pharma wants to treat covid, they will just develop a new anti viral instead of randomly testing old out of patent drugs

they have the means and tech , and a new drug will make much more money than hedging on some old deworming pill

Must find common ground. Find common ground.

Listen. Empathize. See things from the patient's point of view. Respect patient autonomy.

It is not what we think as doctors or health care professionals that is most important. It is what patients think and feel and believe.

Old paradigm of practice since late 1990s.

 

[flushroses]

 

[porcaputtana]

Must find common ground. Find common ground.

Listen. Empathize. See things from the patient's point of view. Respect patient autonomy.

It is not what we think as doctors or health care professionals that is most important. It is what patients think and feel and believe.

Old paradigm of practice since late 1990s.

Pro choice anti vaxxers who think and feel and believe veterinarian drugs are good for them are welcome to go knock themselves out

 

[LaoTze]

Hope long long if you think covid19 be gone by end of 2021 or even 2022 or 2023.

Remember H3N2? they tried to nail down the vaccine for that over 50 years.
But that fucking corona virus mutate and mutate and mutate.
Like shooting at a moving target. By the time they got it, that fucker changed again!

Looking like a long spray of beautiful orchid!

And suddenly the world decided they be smarter and can whack covid19 away in a year or 2 years time?

https://virologydownunder.com/h3n2-50-years-old-and-still-going-strong/

 

[porcaputtana]

Hope long long if you think covid19 be gone by end of 2021 or even 2022 or 2023.

Remember H3N2? they tried to nail down the vaccine for that over 50 years.
But that fucking corona virus mutate and mutate and mutate.
Like shooting at a moving target. By the time they got it, that fucker changed again!

Looking like a long spray of beautiful orchid!

And suddenly the world decided they be smarter and can whack covid19 away in a year or 2 years time?

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https://virologydownunder.com/h3n2-50-years-old-and-still-going-strong/

It's endemic

here to stay

that's what PAP been telling you

Only Aus, NZ, HK and China aiming for zero Covid

 

[Leongsam]

It's endemic

here to stay

that's what PAP been telling you

Only Aus, NZ, HK and China aiming for zero Covid

Australia has already given up. NZ soon to follow the same route.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

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The powers tat be really wants to kill the cheap and effective medication​

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Truth about Rogan’s cocktail of drugs​

A NSW doctor has revealed what the medical benefits are of podcast host Joe Rogan’s supposed cure for Covid-19.

Joe Rogan tests positive to COVID-19, uses controversial treatment​

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Controversial podcast host Joe Rogan has tested positive to…
Welcome to Ask Doctor Zac, a weekly column from news.com.au, this week Dr Zac gets into whether Ivermectin can cure Covid-19.
Question: Hi Dr Zac, this week popular podcast host Joe Rogan blasted to his million of followers that a cocktail of unapproved drugs cured his Covid-19. I thought how dumb can you get, and then I see that ivermectin was included in his snake-oil list.
I’ve read stories about people turning up to hospital after overdosing on Ivermectin to try to treat Covid-19 and I can’t believe their stupidity.
I know lots of people are fans of Joe Rogan and I’m worried that his brag will influence whether of not they get vaccinated.
My question to you is, can you please use your platform to explain why Joe Rogan is wrong, and why we need to listen to health officials and not stand-up comedians. – Agitated Anon, 35 Sydney
Answer: Thank you for raising your concern. You need to remind yourself that people are only human and they’re terrified of getting Covid-19. They turn to the internet in their time of need, read misinformation and make the wrong decision.
Joe Rogan’s post is a clear example of why we need to fact-check misinformation and promote channels of correct communication.
Can I just say, there is a reason it takes nearly a decade to become a qualified, specialist doctor in this country. Unless a person has a real degree from a real university, do not take their health advice as gospel. I do not recommend in any shape or form that you self-medicate for Covid-19 like Joe Rogan has, and it’s frustrating I have to say that.

Joe Rogan is a podcast host and not a doctor, which is worth remembering when seeking health advice. Picture: Supplied
For those who are out of the loop, Joe Rogan boldly claimed to his followers that after contracting Covid-19, he took a mixture of unapproved medications and miraculously felt ‘great’. His cocktail included monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, prednisone, a NAD drip and a vitamin drip. Which is like shooting a hundred basketballs blindfolded at the same time and hoping one goes in but there isn’t a hoop to begin with.
Let’s go through each one of the three main drugs, and why they don’t treat Covid-19.
Ivermectin
Ivermectin is a broad spectrum antiparasitic agent, recommended by the WHO for several diseases such as river blindness and scabies. Now as you correctly stated, this is an antiparasitic drug, not an antiviral drug. This drug has never shown to be able to treat human viral diseases such as Covid-19.
The scary thing is people are attempting to import ivermectin from overseas, but they are buying the version used on animals. This medication will make a person who is already sick, even sicker.

Ivermectin is a generic anti-parasitic medication that has not been proven to treat Covid-19. Picture: The Pulse
Monoclonal antibodies
In layman’s terms, when someone catches Covid-19 and recovers their body produces antibodies. These are a defence mechanism that can fight the disease if it ever comes back. Scientists have discovered ways to replicate these antibodies in a test tube, which means someone can be treated and receive antibodies for a disease they never had.
Donald Trump received this treatment during his stint in hospital when he contracted Covid-19. But what Rogan and Trump did not mention to the millions of people they spruiked it to is that this treatment is very expensive, and most low and middle-income people could not afford it. And as we have seen, Covid-19 rapidly mutates meaning it’s harder for this medication to be effective.

Donald Trump credited monoclonal antibodies for his recovery from Covid but as a billionaire he could easily afford this treatment. Picture: Win McNamee/Getty Images.
Prednisone
Prednisone is a steroid which lowers the activity of the immune response. Essentially you are slowing down your body’s immune response such as inflammation, fever and swelling, as in extreme cases this can end up damaging organs.
This is actually a very useful medication for Covid-19 patients in ICU who are on their last leg, not extremely mild cases like Rogan had.
The potential harm from using steroids in a hospital include an increased risk of bacterial or fungal infections, hyperglycaemia, acquired muscle weakness and gastrointestinal bleeding. For people with milder cases of Covid-19, taking steroids could mean increasing their risks with little potential benefit.
The moral of the story is you shouldn’t believe everything you read. Take your cues from doctors, health officials and the TGA.
Dr Zac Turner has a Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery from the University of Sydney. He is both a medical practitioner and a co-owner of telehealth service, Concierge Doctors, and is also a qualified and experienced biomedical scientist.
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