Chitchat It's Official! Madam Speaker Is No Longer of Indian Descent!

[scroobal]

Zainal needs to understand that nobody gives a give fuck what he thinks when it comes to science. Her father is Indian. No amount of thinking on his part is going to change science.

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

The chaps (a milder eg of such sentiments below) raising a hue and cry about Mendaki having excluded them is also something they probably did not anticipate happening as part of the blowback from recasting her.

 

[swissbank]

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Malay PM !

 

[scroobal]

I suppose Singaporeans must think that the PAP must have up slipped on Halimah and her Indian heritage. I pointed out sometime ago that they are fully prepared and here is an excerpt of the law introduced in April this year.

"the Sub-Committee must be guided by the merits of the case without regard to legal forms and technicalities, or to whether the evidence before it is in accordance with the law of evidence or not;"

"The decisions (however named) of the Community Committee and its Sub-Committees in relation to a community declaration is final and is not subject to appeal or review in any court."

So what is written on the NRIC does not amount to a hill of beans. It also cannot be challenged in a court of law. So clearly they knew that they will have to come to this junction of the doctored EP sooner or later and were well prepared.

The sub-committee chair for the Malay community is none other than former chair of AMP - Imran Mohammed. AMP by the way nominates who are going to be Malay PAP MPs.

Here is the line-up
"Mr Imram Mohamed, the former chairman of the Association of Muslim Professionals, will chair the sub-committee. Other members are Madam Fatimah Azimullah, an adviser to the Singapore Muslim Women’s Association; Mr Mohammad Alami Musa, president of the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (Muis) council; former senior parliamentary secretary Yatiman Yusof; and former Nominated Member of Parliament Zulkifli Baharudin."

Everyone single one of the is beholden to the PAP or dependent on the PAP. And that includes former NMP Zulkifli Baharudin who tried his level best to be a PAP member, only got far as the Roundtable, became a one time employee of a PAP MP's firm and later involved in the SingPost debacle where he sold part of his company to SingPost where he was a director.

So lets not look for sanity in a whorehouse. Everyone one of them has a record of prostituting to the PAP.

 

[Debonerman]

You are not a Jew if your father is a Jew. You mother must be one for you to be Jew. Lee Hsien Loong need to force Malays to align.

 

[bobby]

The underlying principle for the next EP is that he or she must be of a Malay descent.

PAP should have carefully thought of this before even implementing this criteria as the one and only main deciding factor of any eligible candidates.

If this was published clearly when the "reserved" EP was announced some months back, then this matter would have been addressed.

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

I suppose Singaporeans must think that the PAP must have up slipped on Halimah and her Indian heritage. I pointed out sometime ago that they are fully prepared and here is an excerpt of the law introduced in April this year.

"the Sub-Committee must be guided by the merits of the case without regard to legal forms and technicalities, or to whether the evidence before it is in accordance with the law of evidence or not;"

"The decisions (however named) of the Community Committee and its Sub-Committees in relation to a community declaration is final and is not subject to appeal or review in any court."

So what is written on the NRIC does not amount to a hill of beans. It also cannot be challenged in a court of law. So clearly they knew that they will have to come to this junction of the doctored EP sooner or later and were well prepared.

The sub-committee chair for the Malay community is none other than former chair of AMP - Imran Mohammed. AMP by the way nominates who are going to be Malay PAP MPs.

Here is the line-up
"Mr Imram Mohamed, the former chairman of the Association of Muslim Professionals, will chair the sub-committee. Other members are Madam Fatimah Azimullah, an adviser to the Singapore Muslim Women’s Association; Mr Mohammad Alami Musa, president of the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (Muis) council; former senior parliamentary secretary Yatiman Yusof; and former Nominated Member of Parliament Zulkifli Baharudin."

Everyone single one of the is beholden to the PAP or dependent on the PAP. And that includes former NMP Zulkifli Baharudin who tried his level best to be a PAP member, only got far as the Roundtable, became a one time employee of a PAP MP's firm and later involved in the SingPost debacle where he sold part of his company to SingPost where he was a director.

So lets not look for sanity in a whorehouse. Everyone one of them has a record of prostituting to the PAP.

Meant to respond to this - they may have foreseen the potential loopholes but perhaps underestimated the extent of the debacle this has become - forget the fact that they covered all possible angles to make sure their chosen one gets in but she has lost all credibility by allowing herself (and the Malay community)to be used this way. And the outflowing of lampooning is coming from the very same community she is meant to represent as President....

https://www.facebook.com/syafarin.sarif/videos/10211703293530613/

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

so shameful
so disrespectful
so untrustworthy to deny one's ancestry......... how would this kind of person even represent non-malay or non-mooseLime

 

[Leckmichamarsch]

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Malay PM !

will this lineup ensures NO ISIS attack?

 

[scroobal]

You maybe right on this. The same mechanism was used for the GRC in 1988 and for some reason the Malays as community accepted it or at least did not voice a concern. In fact the notion of DKKs never surfaced despite so many Ministers and MPs fall under this category. It will interesting to see what changed.

Meant to respond to this - they may have foreseen the potential loopholes but perhaps underestimated the extent of the debacle this has become - forget the fact that they covered all possible angles to make sure their chosen one gets in but she has lost all credibility by allowing herself (and the Malay community)to be used this way. And the outflowing of lampooning is coming from the very same community she is meant to represent as President....

https://www.facebook.com/syafarin.sarif/videos/10211703293530613/

 

[virus]

lee con you is not malay... his chew ren according to hen cannot b malay so we must now live in a time when there will be no president. the money saved wil goto the vice president.

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

You maybe right on this. The same mechanism was used for the GRC in 1988 and for some reason the Malays as community accepted it or at least did not voice a concern. In fact the notion of DKKs never surfaced despite so many Ministers and MPs fall under this category. It will interesting to see what changed.

Just my two cents but they better have someone sensible manage this - given how the community seems to have fallen into a more centralised Muslim identity since the noughties, this notion of racial profiling under the convenience of being "Malay" may have triggered a racial consciousness which seems to have grown dormant since the "malay" segment dominates the identity of muslims locally - so you then have the Indian Muslims who are either straight South Indians (with no affinity to Malay culture whatsoever), the Babus (who are typically from Bombay and converse in Hindi - the legendary teh tarik shop in Arab Street is a prime example) and then the DKKs (who have been absolved into Malay cultural norms) - and on the periphery there are those from the Yemeni Arab community (who may have adapted the language of the Malays but have always strived to distinguish themselves as not being Malay by trying to only marry within their Arab community) and then you also have the arrivals of a small group of Arabs "off the boat" (who seem to mostly be from Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia and Lebanon) who have married into Malay households but have not embraced the Malay community yet (but who will have offspring of this new mixed-heritage going to school and learning Malay probably) - so let's see how this narrative develops further...

 

[scroobal]

Lets handle the Malay psyche first especially those with Minangkabau heritage. To my knowledge over the years, they are one of the most inclusive and the most hospitable people on god's green earth where religion in the early years was not a factor. They however cannot handle confrontation and will lose very it very quickly both as an individual and a community.

However their inherent kindness, welcoming attitude and ready acceptance has led non- Malay Muslims in both Singapore and Malaysia to play both sides. We know that Indian and Chinese parents even till today will not ready accept a member of another race until at least after the baby pops. Even among the Indians, we have caste and station in life which continues to play a part.

Some of us are aware that the local Arabs despite being into the 5th and 6th generation in this part of the World have always intermarried including some of the biggest playboys. The law fraternity is a shining example.

The Muslims from India despite their sub-racial diversity does reveal that some segments prefer to remain within their communities. What I did notice though is that some with political and leadership aspiration have in their early adult lives began to portray themselves as Malays despite not marrying Malays. These are usually of Southern Indian origin. Then you have the South Indian hawkers and traders who have Indian wives and families back in India and conveniently married local Malay lasses for a second family. This particular lot is where the bulk of their offspring form the 1st and 2nd generation DKKs. Interestingly this is the lot that have climbed the local malay political ladder. They are usually traced to the Indian Muslims of the Malabar coast of Kerala. Mahathir's father comes from the same lineage.

And Yes, from what I have seen over the last 2 weeks, this has unexpectedly gone side ways and someone from the Govt and the PAP needs to handle this. I am pretty sure its the pure Malays who are the ones that are venting their spleen and rightfully so. Clearly the DKKs have usurped their place in the racial space.

Just my two cents but they better have someone sensible manage this - given how the community seems to have fallen into a more centralised Muslim identity since the noughties, this notion of racial profiling under the convenience of being "Malay" may have triggered a racial consciousness which seems to have grown dormant since the "malay" segment dominates the identity of muslims locally - so you then have the Indian Muslims who are either straight South Indians (with no affinity to Malay culture whatsoever), the Babus (who are typically from Bombay and converse in Hindi - the legendary teh tarik shop in Arab Street is a prime example) and then the DKKs (who have been absolved into Malay cultural norms) - and on the periphery there are those from the Yemeni Arab community (who may have adapted the language of the Malays but have always strived to distinguish themselves as not being Malay by trying to only marry within their Arab community) and then you also have the arrivals of a small group of Arabs "off the boat" (who seem to mostly be from Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia and Lebanon) who have married into Malay households but have not embraced the Malay community yet (but who will have offspring of this new mixed-heritage going to school and learning Malay probably) - so let's see how this narrative develops further...

 

[JohnTan]

The underlying principle for the next EP is that he or she must be of a Malay descent.

PAP should have carefully thought of this before even implementing this criteria as the one and only main deciding factor of any eligible candidates.

If this was published clearly when the "reserved" EP was announced some months back, then this matter would have been addressed.

The underlying principle for the next EP is that he has to be a team player and not some troublemaker like Bock who wants to spoil the party. Why can't Bock just retire happily to his Sentosa Cove house and spend his days enjoying tea with his old buddies and family?

With regards to "ethnicity", the next m&d EP has to be muslim. Period. Spare me the bullshit about various m&d races of SEA. There is only one key criteria to being muslim; following Islam. Other than than, just throw on some m&d clothing and eat more nasi padang.

 

[Semaj2357]

.......The sub-committee chair for the Malay community is none other than former chair of AMP - Imran Mohammed. AMP by the way nominates who are going to be Malay PAP MPs.

Here is the line-up
"Mr Imram Mohamed, the former chairman of the Association of Muslim Professionals, will chair the sub-committee. Other members are Madam Fatimah Azimullah, an adviser to the Singapore Muslim Women’s Association; Mr Mohammad Alami Musa, president of the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (Muis) council; former senior parliamentary secretary Yatiman Yusof; and former Nominated Member of Parliament Zulkifli Baharudin."

Everyone single one of the is beholden to the PAP or dependent on the PAP. And that includes former NMP Zulkifli Baharudin who tried his level best to be a PAP member, only got far as the Roundtable, became a one time employee of a PAP MP's firm and later involved in the SingPost debacle where he sold part of his company to SingPost where he was a director.

So lets not look for sanity in a whorehouse. Everyone one of them has a record of prostituting to the PAP.

love the last line and if i may add and borrow an anal-ogy....where only money and condoms keeps changing hands - the number of johns patronizing the brothel is a constant :p

 

[zhihau]

Fuck the PAP. I bet it'll be a walkover and all the fanfare will extol the Malayness of the Pukimah! Ptui!

 

[scroobal]

Both the other 2 are unlikely to overcome the financial hurdle so a walkover is more than likely akin to Nathan's 2 terms.

The irony is that Halimah has never held a role with borderline financial management remit of any sort and she is not even a full Malay, yet she is going into the Istana on the 2 most important counts that PAP have been pushing hard on - financial management at a very high level and race.

Makes a complete mockery of the country.

Fuck the PAP. I bet it'll be a walkover and all the fanfare will extol the Malayness of the Pukimah! Ptui!

 

[bobby]

It is like the GRC concept....a big joke on us but what can you do?

 

[zhihau]

It is like the GRC concept....a big joke on us but what can you do?

Fuck the PAP at the polls! Fuck them deep!

 

[eatshitndie]

when pap says she's malay, she's malay by law as pap has super duper uber majority of parleement. sinkies should just shut the fuck up and not kpkb as having a more than 69% votes is equivalent to a heavenly mandate.