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doraemonster

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Coronavirus: Conditions in dorms not main reason for clusters, says Tan Chuan-Jin
www.straitstimes.com


Outbreaks likely due to virus' highly contagious nature, people living in close quarters, he says

The massive outbreak of coronavirus cases among migrant workers in dormitories cannot be attributed to bad living conditions alone, even if there are abysmal examples, said Speaker of Parliament Tan Chuan-Jin yesterday.

Rather, the highly contagious nature of the coronavirus and the fact that dorms involve groups of people living in close quarters are more likely to have contributed to the spread, said Mr Tan, who was Manpower Minister from 2014 to 2015.

Speaking on the sidelines of an event for migrant worker dorms yesterday, Mr Tan said it was important not to conflate the two issues of bad living conditions and the Covid-19 pandemic, which he called a healthcare crisis of "monumental proportions".

"For example, in our universities, if the hostels remained open and the students were there, you would expect a massive outbreak to occur as well. If people are living in close quarters, given the contagious nature of this virus, outbreaks will occur," he said.

Tackling questions regarding the outbreak in the dormitories, that as of yesterday has hit more than 18,000 cases, Mr Tan said it was not about "white-washing" cases of "abysmal" dorm conditions, but one should not generalise that all living conditions are as such.

There were 741 new Covid-19 cases reported yesterday, bringing Singapore's total to 20,939.

The living conditions of lower-paid foreign workers have been in the spotlight recently when dorms emerged as huge clusters where the coronavirus has spread. The outbreak highlighted the cramped and poorly maintained living spaces of some of these workers and their low-quality catered meals.

On Monday, Manpower Minister Josephine Teo assured Parliament that the Government will see how housing standards for migrant workers can be further raised.

Mr Tan said: "It doesn't excuse (bad conditions), it is not acceptable and we need to take stringent action against those who violate the law - but it doesn't represent the whole space and that's the context that is important.

"It is important to speak to the migrant workers as a whole for their lived experience to have a sense of the conditions. And given the scale and nature of this outbreak, we should not conflate the causes with these less-than-accurate generalisations."

FOCUS ON PRESENT ISSUES

It is something that we will work on, but meanwhile, let's grapple with the (present) issues, look after our people and look after all the people who are here in Singapore who are affected in different ways.

SPEAKER OF PARLIAMENT TAN CHUAN-JIN, on taking stock of the lessons learnt.

When asked about the raising of dorm standards here, Mr Tan said there are things that can be improved on and the Government will be taking stock of the lessons learnt and the adjustments that need to be made.

"It is something that we will work on, but meanwhile, let's grapple with the (present) issues, look after our people and look after all the people who are here in Singapore who are affected in different ways," he said.

During an online forum organised by the Institute of Policy Studies on Wednesday, analysts said a whole-of-society effort is needed to improve the wages and living conditions of foreign workers here.

Not only must the Government take the lead in making structural changes, but Singaporeans, too, must change their us-versus-them mindset and take up collective responsibility, said the panellists.
 

bobby

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If liddat then why everyday must segregate the 2 infection rates and numbers into "dorm" and "local" ?

You also have a 3 tier generation family of 10 locals living in "close quarters" in a 5-room HDB flat.
 

Leongsam

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Do university dorms put 12 banglas in one room? :thumbsdown:

Workers can be housed in university dorm conditions if Singaporeans are collectively willing to pay for the additional overheads.

Based on NUH dorm rates it would work out to about $200 per worker per week. That's additional overheads of 3.3 BILLION dollars per year that will have to be billed to the end users of the services that the dorm dwellers provide. ie cleaning, building, clearing rubbish etc.

If sinkies are willing to pay I'm sure something can be worked out.
 

JohnTan

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The massive outbreak of coronavirus cases among migrant workers in dormitories cannot be attributed to bad living conditions alone, even if there are abysmal examples, said Speaker of Parliament Tan Chuan-Jin yesterday.

Rather, the highly contagious nature of the coronavirus and the fact that dorms involve groups of people living in close quarters are more likely to have contributed to the spread,
said Mr Tan, who was Manpower Minister from 2014 to 2015.

Speaking on the sidelines of an event for migrant worker dorms yesterday, Mr Tan said it was important not to conflate the two issues of bad living conditions and the Covid-19 pandemic, which he called a healthcare crisis of "monumental proportions".


"For example, in our universities, if the hostels remained open and the students were there, you would expect a massive outbreak to occur as well. If people are living in close quarters, given the contagious nature of this virus, outbreaks will occur," he said.

Tackling questions regarding the outbreak in the dormitories, that as of yesterday has hit more than 18,000 cases, Mr Tan said it was not about "white-washing" cases of "abysmal" dorm conditions, but one should not generalise that all living conditions are as such.

There were 741 new Covid-19 cases reported yesterday, bringing Singapore's total to 20,939.

The living conditions of lower-paid foreign workers have been in the spotlight recently when dorms emerged as huge clusters where the coronavirus has spread. The outbreak highlighted the cramped and poorly maintained living spaces of some of these workers and their low-quality catered meals.



On Monday, Manpower Minister Josephine Teo assured Parliament that the Government will see how housing standards for migrant workers can be further raised.

Mr Tan said: "It doesn't excuse (bad conditions), it is not acceptable and we need to take stringent action against those who violate the law - but it doesn't represent the whole space and that's the context that is important.

"It is important to speak to the migrant workers as a whole for their lived experience to have a sense of the conditions. And given the scale and nature of this outbreak, we should not conflate the causes with these less-than-accurate generalisations."

When asked about the raising of dorm standards here, Mr Tan said there are things that can be improved on and the Government will be taking stock of the lessons learnt and the adjustments that need to be made.

"It is something that we will work on, but meanwhile, let's grapple with the (present) issues, look after our people and look after all the people who are here in Singapore who are affected in different ways," he said.

During an online forum organised by the Institute of Policy Studies on Wednesday, analysts said a whole-of-society effort is needed to improve the wages and living conditions of foreign workers here.

Not only must the Government take the lead in making structural changes, but Singaporeans, too, must change their us-versus-them mindset and take up collective responsibility, said the panellists.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...t-main-reason-for-clusters-says-tan-chuan-jin
 

krafty

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i thought about this issue and there is no way for the dorm workers to avoid this ordeal cos' of space constraint.
 

Leongsam

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i thought about this issue and there is no way for the dorm workers to avoid this ordeal cos' of space constraint.

Dorms should be converted to an individual room and self contained cooking facilities for each worker. Do you think they should be airconditioned too?
 

Wunderfool

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The question is did PAP know this before the outbreak and do something about it ? Or this is a hind-sight findings ?
 

mojito

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Workers can be housed in university dorm conditions if Singaporeans are collectively willing to pay for the additional overheads.

Based on NUH dorm rates it would work out to about $200 per worker per week. That's additional overheads of 3.3 BILLION dollars per year that will have to be billed to the end users of the services that the dorm dwellers provide. ie cleaning, building, clearing rubbish etc.

If sinkies are willing to pay I'm sure something can be worked out.
That beside the point. Liar Tan say cluster happen not because crowded. I have yet to see proofs from you or the good Mr Speaker. :cautious:
 

doraemonster

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PAP can't even resolve a simple overcrowded dorm issue, and yet want to increase population to beyond 6.9m, what can pinkie expect for the next pandemic?

My guess is YOU DIE YOUR OWN PROBLEM!
 

Leongsam

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PAP can't even resolve a simple overcrowded dorm issue, and yet want to increase population to beyond 6.9m, what can pinkie expect for the next pandemic?

My guess is YOU DIE YOUR OWN PROBLEM!

Pandemics don't happen that often and in the case of Covid-19 very few are dying so what is the big deal. Just carry on normally.
 

bobby

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The role of the Speaker of the House is to make sure that Members obey the rules (standing orders) of the House and follow the correct procedures....not passing stupid remarks about other housing conditions.
 

laksaboy

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The role of the Speaker of the House is to make sure that Members obey the rules (standing orders) of the House and follow the correct procedures....not passing stupid remarks about other housing conditions.

In a totalitarian regime, the Party reigns supreme. Everything else is irrelevant: roles, job scope, protocol.
 

mahjongking

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The question is did PAP know this before the outbreak and do something about it ? Or this is a hind-sight findings ?


of course they knew.....bo tai ji every crony sit back and collect money quietly,
tua tai ji then every crony blames one another....all say boh wah a tai ji

btw anyone knows the big big money from foreign workers levies goes where???
 
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