Chitchat Issue of nurses wearing tudung discussed 6 months ago: Shanmugam

[syed putra]

Well said, as such pap can ban all arabic influences on the m&ds...bcos have to protect m&d culture.

Malays as defined in constitution is anyone who practice malay culture and muslim. President qualifies.

 

[syed putra]

Apart from wearing tufung, PAP should protect malay rights to wear mini skirts, bikinis and hot pants in work places where allowed by employer.

 

[countryman]

I'm disappointed @ the Workers Party for bringing up this Tudung issue ! This is something not productive n it does not benefit SG as a whole holistically. In fact this is something which will bring the country backward.
Like I said before, just conformed to the standard dress code @work be it gahmen or private sector. No particular race or religion should be given special treatment. After work, you're free to wear what u like....
Pritam Singh n co, pls wake up your idea!

 

[syed putra]

I'm disappointed @ the Workers Party for bringing up this Tudung issue ! This is something not productive n it does not benefit SG as a whole holistically. In fact this is something which will bring the country backward.
Like I said before, just conformed to the standard dress code @work be it gahmen or private sector. No particular race or religion should be given special treatment. After work, you're free to wear what u like....
Pritam Singh n co, pls wake up your idea!

Tudung is just a dressing. Not a big issue.

 

[whoami]

This thread is about the tudung issue. Not about race or skin colour.
So you want to wear tudung and be Special bcoz of a religion created by an Arab man.
What does yr religion represent that u r so proud of? 911- jihad- it’s ok in yr religion to kill others in the name of Allah.
How do your people treat others? (No respect for other religion, refer to others as ‘infidels.’)
How do your people treat other moslems and their family? Battered their women, incest is extremely common as compared to other religion, having a commonly accepted social culture like (PHD) - perasaan hasad dengki(translation:harboring envy/jealousy) results in family/friends backstabbing each other, also unhealthy mindset(eg. Competitive abt stupid things like who is the most beautiful/most expensive car/thickest gold chain, but laidback when it comes to valid competition in schools/workplace).

I throw back to u. Then y u wear cross? Why u kip carry/bringing ur bible everywhere even to toilet? Why go knockg people door n disturb the peace? Why frighten the non xtian patients in hosp n pester them to accept John 3:16? Why station urself outside schools n distribute religious materials to students? Etc etc

Sept 11? Got the cheek to ask? Ur xtian crusades massacred million n million of innocent lives includg woman n chdn. WMD? Wat a great liar. N tere u go preachg ur religion of Love! Hypocrite!

 

[countryman]

Apart from wearing tufung, PAP should protect malay rights to wear mini skirts, bikinis and hot pants in work places where allowed by employer.

Yes, of course.. Flaunt it when you're young n beautiful... This isn't Saudi Arabia!
Even Saudi support what the CCP is doing in XinJiang...

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

If tat is the case. Pap will loose more votes. Many singkies fear the domination of islam n with mudslimes give them an inch they take a mile. The pap should question these mudslimes. How come the hijab was never an issue until recently? In the 60s n b4...hijab was more an option than a rule. Now must wear. Wat gives? N where in the religious books say must wear? So why r u wearing it? N i think this is promoted so mudslimes can sell more mudslime fashion etc. N one other good point. How come madhatter's wife dont wear it? N after these tudung thing i will bet the mudslimes will clamour for more like 4 wives, female circumcision, halal water, halal buses, halal tables n chairs in work places, halal refrigerators, banning of Dogs, pray 5 times a day, n even m&ds themselves will suffer as they will kenna religious police...if a m&d makan during puasa...will get flogged in public...etc

Good points...and it wasn't just 60s and before...muslim Singaporean women well the vast majority were not wearing tudungs until the 90s from what I recall...

If you follow the time line...it is clear that wearing the tudung was not a local practice and I think this applied generally to the rest of the Muslim community in SEA...same goes of the practice of the male Muslims growing long goatees/beards and wearing robes...

So what changed...the fall of the Shah in Iran in the 70s leading to rise of the Ayatollahs and the spread of Saudi wahabism Islam from this time onwards...

What the local Muslims are practicing now is more towards Arab Islam rather than the old SEA Islam...

The other big issue of concern is "coercion" in the local Islamic community...i really wonder whether all the local Muslim females now wearing the tudung are doing it voluntarily or because of pressure within their community...

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Good points...and it wasn't just 60s and before...muslim Singaporean women well the vast majority were not wearing tudungs until the 90s from what I recall...

If you follow the time line...it is clear that wearing the tudung was not a local practice and I think this applied generally to the rest of the Muslim community in SEA...same goes of the practice of the male Muslims growing long goatees/beards and wearing robes...

So what changed...the fall of the Shah in Iran in the 70s leading to rise of the Ayatollahs and the spread of Saudi wahabism Islam from this time onwards...

What the local Muslims are practicing now is more towards Arab Islam rather than the old SEA Islam...

The other big issue of concern is "coercion" in the local Islamic community...i really wonder whether all the local Muslim females now wearing the tudung are doing it voluntarily or because of pressure within their community...

If sharia law is implemented...wont the m&ds themselves suffer more?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Theindependent
PM and Mufti of Singapore exchanged letters thanking each other


Facebook screengrab: Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong
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During a Budget debate speech on Feb 24, Workers’ Party MP Faisal Manap suggested that Muslim nurses be allowed to wear the tudung or headscarf as part of their uniform.

Minister in the Prime Minister’s Office Maliki Osman joined Mr Masagos in highlighting that sensitive issues, such as the tudung, are discussed behind closed doors in Singapore to avoid serious ramifications.

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And just last week, Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam clarified that the Government can “see good reasons why nurses should be allowed to wear the tudung if they choose to do so”. He added that the issue was discussed six months ago.

On his Facebook page on Mar 31, PM Lee also wrote about his communication with the Mufti, saying that Dr Nazirudin wrote to him to express support from Muis (the Islamic Religious Council of Singapore) for the Government’s deliberations on allowing nurses to wear the tudung.

The Prime Minister wrote back to thank him for Muis’ support.

PM Lee reiterated that sensitive issues concerning race and religion are normally discussed behind closed doors “so that we can all talk candidly and honestly, and understand the problem from different perspectives”.

He also acknowledged that social attitudes and norms evolve with society, but added that “any changes to the balance we have achieved must be carefully considered.

“Ultimately the changes must strengthen, not weaken, our racial and religious harmony.”

In his letter to the Prime Minister, dated Mar 27, the Mufti expressed thanks on behalf of Muslim nurses, adding that the Muslim community understands the complexity of the issue.

He added, “We fully support the government’s secular and neutral stance in treating various religious groups evenly, while it consults the community and considers the impact of its policies on society”.

Dr Nazirudin also recognised that societies all over the globe have become more polarised, and that “In pursuing one step forward, we should not inadvertently take a few steps back.”

Therefore, it is more important than ever to “affirm our commonalities, emphasise our shared values and pursue the common good together,” the Mufti wrote in his letter to the Prime Minister.

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[Hypocrite-The]

Apart from wearing tufung, PAP should protect malay rights to wear mini skirts, bikinis and hot pants in work places where allowed by employer.

m&ds won't wear tat

 

[countryman]

This Worker's Party Faisal Manap is an idiot! Typical bodoh. Hasn't he got anything better to suggest? Next thing is what? Muslim male nurses also wears a kufi cap, Buddhist nurses or Christian nurses also will have something to suggest about their attire! It's never ending!
For this a big minus point for the Worker's Party!

 

[syed putra]

This Worker's Party Faisal Manap is an idiot! Typical bodoh. Hasn't he got anything better to suggest? Next thing is what? Muslim male nurses also wears a kufi cap, Buddhist nurses or Christian nurses also will have something to suggest about their attire! It's never ending!
For this a big minus point for the Worker's Party!

Live with it. Its written in the constitution. Special privilege

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Live with it. Its written in the constitution. Special privilege

Well said n i will now advocate the banning of Arabisation of the m&d community. Because the constitution states have to protect m&d culture. Also the constitution does not state m&ds have to b mudslime.

 

[duluxe]

Good points...and it wasn't just 60s and before...muslim Singaporean women well the vast majority were not wearing tudungs until the 90s from what I recall...

If you follow the time line...it is clear that wearing the tudung was not a local practice and I think this applied generally to the rest of the Muslim community in SEA...same goes of the practice of the male Muslims growing long goatees/beards and wearing robes...

So what changed...the fall of the Shah in Iran in the 70s leading to rise of the Ayatollahs and the spread of Saudi wahabism Islam from this time onwards...

What the local Muslims are practicing now is more towards Arab Islam rather than the old SEA Islam...

The other big issue of concern is "coercion" in the local Islamic community...i really wonder whether all the local Muslim females now wearing the tudung are doing it voluntarily or because of pressure within their community...

In the past, only senior and old women wore thin veil hijab.
Not long ago, both young and senior married women.
Currently, unweds and teenagers.
In the future, ???

 

[syed putra]

Well said n i will now advocate the banning of Arabisation of the m&d community. Because the constitution states have to protect m&d culture. Also the constitution does not state m&ds have to b mudslime.

A malay defined in constitution is a person( can be malay, arab, chinese, indian) who embrace malay culture and is a moslem.

 

[syed putra]

In the past, only senior and old women wore thin veil hijab.
Not long ago, both young and senior married women.
Currently, unweds and teenagers.
In the future, ???

Just let them go with the flow. Religion normally will have a peak and then it dies down.for christianity that period of dying down began with the renaissance 500 years ago. No point arguing with people of faith.

 

[duluxe]

Just let them go with the flow. Religion normally will have a peak and then it dies down.for christianity that period of dying down began with the renaissance 500 years ago. No point arguing with people of faith.

I am making obervation. I am more happy that muslims are focusing on religion and 5x prayers per day.

I don't agree with " reach a peak and then it dies down", you understand islam, islam is a religion of 100% conformity. If killing of infidels is really prohabited, they will be as no killing diligient as with vigilanting fellow fellow muslims on pork eating and hijab wearing. In fact, before committed bad and evil deeds, muslims usually will pray and seek guidance from Allah.

 

[A Singaporean]

Malays as defined in constitution is anyone who practice malay culture and muslim. President qualifies.

Knowing that m&d are retards, this is the way to pick a non m&d and declare her as such.

 

[syed putra]

Knowing that m&d are retards, this is the way to pick a non m&d and declare her as such.

In jiu hu, you can be a bumi and many indian muslims took full advantage of this definition and now controls the country.

 

[syed putra]

I am making obervation. I am more happy that muslims are focusing on religion and 5x prayers per day.

I don't agree with " reach a peak and then it dies down", you understand islam, islam is a religion of 100% conformity. If killing of infidels is really prohabited, they will be as no killing diligient as with vigilanting fellow fellow muslims on pork eating and hijab wearing. In fact, before committed bad and evil deeds, muslims usually will pray and seek guidance from Allah.

Its already dying down. The wheels of religious cycle cannot be controlled. At it peak, christians used to burn alive herectics and deviants, witches etc just as what current muslims are doing.