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ISD is very nice to Pastor Rony Tan...

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Feb 9, 2010

ISD calls up pastor for insensitive comments

Leader of independent church apologises to Buddhists and Taoists

<!-- by line -->By Yen Feng

http://www.straitstimes.com/PrimeNews/Story/STIStory_488110.html

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THE Government called up a Christian church leader yesterday after receiving complaints about online video clips that show him making insensitive comments about Buddhism.
The Internal Security Department yesterday met Senior Pastor Rony Tan, founder of the Lighthouse Evangelism independent church, and told him that what he did was wrong.
Last night, he posted an apology on the church's website, promising to respect other faiths and 'not ridicule them in any way, shape or fashion'.
The video clips, which first appeared on the church's website two weeks ago, showed Pastor Tan questioning two church members as they recounted their past experiences as Buddhists.
In the exchanges, some of Pastor Tan's comments - on Buddhist precepts of rebirth, karma and nirvana - drew laughter from his audience.
The Ministry of Home Affairs said last night that his comments were 'highly inappropriate and unacceptable as they trivialised and insulted the beliefs of Buddhists and Taoists'.
It said the ISD told him that in preaching or spreading his faith, 'he must not run down other religions, and must be mindful of the sensitivities of other religions'.
Singapore's Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act makes it unlawful for a person to make insensitive comments about other religions.
In his apology last night, the pastor did not refer to being at the ISD. Instead, he said he had received e-mail messages from people who had been 'saddened and hurt' by what he had said, and realised that his presentation and comments were wrong and offensive.
'So I sincerely apologise for my insensitivity towards the Buddhists and Taoists, and solemnly promise that it will never happen again,' he said.
Although the video clips are no longer on the church's website, netizens have reposted them on other forums.
Two short clips show Pastor Tan asking church member Joseph Wee about the time he was a Buddhist in the 1980s, including a short stint as a monk.
Mr Wee described chanting words he did not understand, and his frustration at not getting answers to his questions about attaining nirvana - the Buddhist state of enlightenment.
Pastor Tan drew laughter from his audience with his remarks on the chanting, and compared Mr Wee's effort to seek answers from his mentors as 'the blind leading the blind'.
In a third video clip, a woman claimed she could recite an ancient Buddhist chant even though she had never heard it. Pastor Tan suggested that the words had been put into her mind by 'demons'.
The video clips, carrying the church's 'Miracle TV' logo, first appeared on the online forum fuckwarezone on Feb 3. By last night, the forum thread had chalked up nearly 1,600 comments and more than 63,000 page views.
On YouTube, the three videos have garnered about 4,000 views each.
Many viewers who left comments felt that Pastor Tan's comments about Buddhism were insensitive and unfair.
Lighthouse Evangelism has branches in Tampines and Woodlands, and describes itself as a 'megachurch'. It has more than 12,000 members and is not affiliated with the National Council of Churches of Singapore.
The church was founded in 1978 by Pastor Tan who, in his online autobiography, said he was born into a Taoist family. His son Pacer is the church's youth pastor, while his daughter Tracy leads the church's drama ministry.
Buddhist and Taoist groups who had received complaints said last night that while it was good the authorities intervened, more should be done to ensure that such incidents did not recur.
Venerable Kwang Phing, secretary-general of the Singapore Buddhist Federation, said: 'We put in so much work to maintain religious harmony in Singapore; it takes only one or two persons to jeopardise that process.'
In his apology, Pastor Tan urged netizens who have been circulating the videos to stop doing so.
He said also that he wanted to tell his followers 'not only to continue to love souls, but also to respect other beliefs and not to ridicule them in any way, shape or fashion'.
He added: 'Let's put our goal to build a harmonious Singapore a top priority.'
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See? ISD only "told". ISD did not lock up Rony Tan or reprimand him or torture him etc... just nicely "told".... ISD probably even went to starbucks and buy him a real nice coffee while "telling" Rony Tan that what he did was wrong... machiam like Singapore telling Myanmar generals that what they did was wrong... HAHAHAHA!
Meanwhile, they have no hesitation to go ahead and prosecute the 3 poor kids... they are now out on bail...
___________Where is the sense of proportion???[/SIZE]
KNN!

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makapaaa

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EXACTLY! Those kids aren't even 21 years old !!! In my view, the crime committed by Rony Tan is even more severe than those kids...





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Feb 9, 2010

ISD calls up pastor for insensitive comments

Leader of independent church apologises to Buddhists and Taoists

<!-- by line -->By Yen Feng

http://www.straitstimes.com/PrimeNews/Story/STIStory_488110.html

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ST PHOTO: CAROLINE CHIA

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THE Government called up a Christian church leader yesterday after receiving complaints about online video clips that show him making insensitive comments about Buddhism.
The Internal Security Department yesterday met Senior Pastor Rony Tan, founder of the Lighthouse Evangelism independent church, and told him that what he did was wrong.
Last night, he posted an apology on the church's website, promising to respect other faiths and 'not ridicule them in any way, shape or fashion'.
The video clips, which first appeared on the church's website two weeks ago, showed Pastor Tan questioning two church members as they recounted their past experiences as Buddhists.
In the exchanges, some of Pastor Tan's comments - on Buddhist precepts of rebirth, karma and nirvana - drew laughter from his audience.
The Ministry of Home Affairs said last night that his comments were 'highly inappropriate and unacceptable as they trivialised and insulted the beliefs of Buddhists and Taoists'.
It said the ISD told him that in preaching or spreading his faith, 'he must not run down other religions, and must be mindful of the sensitivities of other religions'.
Singapore's Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act makes it unlawful for a person to make insensitive comments about other religions.
In his apology last night, the pastor did not refer to being at the ISD. Instead, he said he had received e-mail messages from people who had been 'saddened and hurt' by what he had said, and realised that his presentation and comments were wrong and offensive.
'So I sincerely apologise for my insensitivity towards the Buddhists and Taoists, and solemnly promise that it will never happen again,' he said.
Although the video clips are no longer on the church's website, netizens have reposted them on other forums.
Two short clips show Pastor Tan asking church member Joseph Wee about the time he was a Buddhist in the 1980s, including a short stint as a monk.
Mr Wee described chanting words he did not understand, and his frustration at not getting answers to his questions about attaining nirvana - the Buddhist state of enlightenment.
Pastor Tan drew laughter from his audience with his remarks on the chanting, and compared Mr Wee's effort to seek answers from his mentors as 'the blind leading the blind'.
In a third video clip, a woman claimed she could recite an ancient Buddhist chant even though she had never heard it. Pastor Tan suggested that the words had been put into her mind by 'demons'.
The video clips, carrying the church's 'Miracle TV' logo, first appeared on the online forum fuckwarezone on Feb 3. By last night, the forum thread had chalked up nearly 1,600 comments and more than 63,000 page views.
On YouTube, the three videos have garnered about 4,000 views each.
Many viewers who left comments felt that Pastor Tan's comments about Buddhism were insensitive and unfair.
Lighthouse Evangelism has branches in Tampines and Woodlands, and describes itself as a 'megachurch'. It has more than 12,000 members and is not affiliated with the National Council of Churches of Singapore.
The church was founded in 1978 by Pastor Tan who, in his online autobiography, said he was born into a Taoist family. His son Pacer is the church's youth pastor, while his daughter Tracy leads the church's drama ministry.
Buddhist and Taoist groups who had received complaints said last night that while it was good the authorities intervened, more should be done to ensure that such incidents did not recur.
Venerable Kwang Phing, secretary-general of the Singapore Buddhist Federation, said: 'We put in so much work to maintain religious harmony in Singapore; it takes only one or two persons to jeopardise that process.'
In his apology, Pastor Tan urged netizens who have been circulating the videos to stop doing so.
He said also that he wanted to tell his followers 'not only to continue to love souls, but also to respect other beliefs and not to ridicule them in any way, shape or fashion'.
He added: 'Let's put our goal to build a harmonious Singapore a top priority.'
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What an ugly man both inside and outside.
 

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This is a classic case of double standard.

Why the 3 kids are jailed and NOT pastor Tan, who actions and insults to other religion has more negative impact.

Is the PAP govt. too afraid to arrest a 12,000 strong membership church senior pastor? Well this shows the PAP govt has no balls.

Also it prove that Singapore pastors have no balls. Come on if they they to say, they should dare to stand by their words.

The last time was the pastor speaking to back the Christian women in the AWARE saga last year. He also chicken out.

Fuck what sort of principle they stand on. Be like Dr Chee Soon Juan...go to jail for what you believe in.

After his apology does he means that what he said were all wrong....then the Buddists are NOT "blind leading the blind", the Buddism is a "true religion", there is more than one way to heaven.....pastor Tan should close shop or should even commit suicide...he is a total disgrace to Christianity!

He looks like those old sex pervert to me. Fuck!
 

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should lock him up for 2 weeks and send him straight to the court to charge him or might as well dont charge him, just lock him up without trial. i think all the christian will learn their lesson not to make fun of others faith and rony is not the only one.
 

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should lock him up for 2 weeks and send him straight to the court to charge him or might as well dont charge him, just lock him up without trial. i think all the christian will learn their lesson not to make fun of others faith and rony is not the only one.

Yes.

Let those other prisoners fuck his backside. What the fuck is he doing.

Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword....yea. Read the old testement, which is shared by the Christians, Jews and Muslims. See how their God kill babies, and tell the Jews to take virgin prisons to fuck.


That's the type of God these three religion worship...a "mass murder"...flooding the whole world. Am I seditive? Just read the old testement and judge for yourself....if some one kill millions of people is he not a "mass murderer". Reaad the Noah the Ark...was it not that God created the flood and killed those "sinners". Did He not command the Jews to kill all animals, killed babies inside theri mothers' womb.

Pastor Tan still dare to say the Buddist is "blind leading the blind"....then Christianity is mass MURDER leading the murders."

Their roots and their GOD was and is a mass murder and those you can see for now and in history these 3 religions...Christianity, Judism and Muslim killing each other the most...always at way. Whereas, Buddism, Toasism and our Chinese accestor and monkey god worshippers keep to ourselves and fuck care.

Pastor R. Tan say he pray for the sick, then bring him a man without leg and see how he can pray for him to get both HUMAN legs (with freah and blood) instantly back.
 

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12,000 strong membership and average 10% tithing/offerings of $2,500/mth (per capita income of singapore), $3,000,000 per month revenue,,,, you will bow down to $$$$, a bigger god than jesus
 

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That is why chee is a bankrupt and Rony still got his landed property.

Anyway, Rony already said sorry, "Wa Sa La Liao". His followers also Malu liao. I'm sure none of his followers would dare admit that they're from his Church to their friends. Some may even leave his church after this.

It may seem to be just a sorry for many of us but the 'ripples' that his 'sorry' creates has consequences.

This is a classic case of double standard.

Why the 3 kids are jailed and NOT pastor Tan, who actions and insults to other religion has more negative impact.

Is the PAP govt. too afraid to arrest a 12,000 strong membership church senior pastor? Well this shows the PAP govt has no balls.

Also it prove that Singapore pastors have no balls. Come on if they they to say, they should dare to stand by their words.

The last time was the pastor speaking to back the Christian women in the AWARE saga last year. He also chicken out.

Fuck what sort of principle they stand on. Be like Dr Chee Soon Juan...go to jail for what you believe in.

After his apology does he means that what he said were all wrong....then the Buddists are NOT "blind leading the blind", the Buddism is a "true religion", there is more than one way to heaven.....pastor Tan should close shop or should even commit suicide...he is a total disgrace to Christianity!

He looks like those old sex pervert to me. Fuck!
 

exSINgaporean

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That is why chee is a bankrupt and Rony still got his landed property.

Anyway, Rony already said sorry, "Wa Sa La Liao". His followers also Malu liao. I'm sure none of his followers would dare admit that they're from his Church to their friends. Some may even leave his church after this.

It may seem to be just a sorry for many of us but the 'ripples' that his 'sorry' creates has consequences.

I am sick-and-tired of all these PAP bull shits and double standards. Arrests the 3 boys and dare not arrest the pastor.

They hang the small drug carriers and do business witht he drug lords in Burma.

They arrest illegal gambling dens and road side gambling and then deal witht eh big devil to open up world class Casinos.

Now these fuck Christian pastors slowing start pushing the OB mark....last year the AWARE saga now R Tan...later someone will blash the Muslims telling the world that their founder married young girls and ...you know what men do to their wives after mirrage..."

Look Christianity by itself is an offensive ..."don't belive in Jesus, you go to hell"...no other way. Jesus said it himself. All those Christians help you their motive is to befriend you and then convert you.

The Bible is offensive....anti-homosexuals, incenteous acts all the way from Adam and Eve, God (same then and now) instructed the Jews to kill babies even when they in the wombs of their mothers!

Now that a Senior Pastor in Singapore has openly redicule other religions then there must be a open debate on which religion is true for Singaporeans. How can Singaporeans be led by the blinded. All church pastors should join hands with pastor Tan to tell the truth and condemn the lies....after all isn't this is what is instructed in the Bible..."The Truth shall set you free"....or "The TOOTH shall set you free?"
 

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Yes.

Let those other prisoners fuck his backside. What the fuck is he doing.

Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword....yea. Read the old testement, which is shared by the Christians, Jews and Muslims. See how their God kill babies, and tell the Jews to take virgin prisons to fuck.


That's the type of God these three religion worship...a "mass murder"...flooding the whole world. Am I seditive? Just read the old testement and judge for yourself....if some one kill millions of people is he not a "mass murderer". Reaad the Noah the Ark...was it not that God created the flood and killed those "sinners". Did He not command the Jews to kill all animals, killed babies inside theri mothers' womb.

Pastor Tan still dare to say the Buddist is "blind leading the blind"....then Christianity is mass MURDER leading the murders."

Their roots and their GOD was and is a mass murder and those you can see for now and in history these 3 religions...Christianity, Judism and Muslim killing each other the most...always at way. Whereas, Buddism, Toasism and our Chinese accestor and monkey god worshippers keep to ourselves and fuck care.

Pastor R. Tan say he pray for the sick, then bring him a man without leg and see how he can pray for him to get both HUMAN legs (with freah and blood) instantly back.


for religion , if you dun expand , you die. just take teekee aka eatmyshorts for example, he betray his ancestor religion and trying to spread the christian religion aggressively to youth of singapore. very soon, singapore will be a christian state, thanks to people teekee aka eatmyshorts.
 

SIFU

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That is why chee is a bankrupt and Rony still got his landed property.

Anyway, Rony already said sorry, "Wa Sa La Liao". His followers also Malu liao. I'm sure none of his followers would dare admit that they're from his Church to their friends. Some may even leave his church after this.

It may seem to be just a sorry for many of us but the 'ripples' that his 'sorry' creates has consequences.

i dun think many would leave his church becos of this..

in times like this, xtians will say their god is testing their faith..:cool:
 
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