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is s'pore losing engineers?

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IN A recent blog post, our Fix-it minister, Mr Khaw Boon Wan, announced that he has roped in PUB Chairman Mr Tan Gee Paw to be his Advisor on Rail Transformation. He commented that Mr Tan has made Singapore more self-sufficient in our water supply through the NEWater initiative and through his efforts, Mr Tan has made water engineering “sexy”.

This comes after a commentary earlier in July by Mr Han Fook Kwang who attributed the recent rail issues to a “hollowing out” of experienced engineers in the field today. Taking a quick look at the statistics from the two local universities offering engineering degrees, NUS has 5,529 engineering undergraduates currently (or about 20 per cent of its total undergraduate population for AY 14/15) while NTU has 10,434 engineering undergraduates (or about 44 per cent of its total undergraduate population for AY 14/15). The numbers are pretty clear, there are still a large number of students enrolled to study engineering. Perhaps Mr Khaw was right, engineering has indeed become sexy.

But the story is not so simple.

As a chemical engineering undergraduate myself, I find myself competing against 300 other students in the same cohort. But whether all 300 of us go on to work as engineers is another question. I have friends who are currently on an entrepreneurial stint in Silicon Valley under the NUS Overseas College programme who are more interested in joining the marketing industry in the future. Looking at the statistics provided by my department, 25 per cent of the batch that graduated in 2014 are working in non-engineering sectors such as finance and management. True, this is only a small sample of only chemical engineers, and so might not be representative.

Another factor against going into the industry. When I applied to do my degree back in 2011, the median salary of a chemical engineer was $3,500 while that of a NUS business graduate was $3,600. Fast forward 4 years and now that I am in my penultimate year of study, the median salary of a chemical engineer has dropped to $3,200 while that of a NUS business graduate is still at $3,500. It is no wonder that some of my friends are considering joining the finance and management industries.

The discussion about the lack of engineers also ignores one fundamental aspect of engineering degrees: Each major is specialised. Although I take courses in thermodynamics and fluid mechanics like my friends in mechanical and environmental engineering, the focus is different. Trust me, we tried to study together for finals but the content and depth covered varies and we ended up getting more confused instead. Then again, the lack of engineers felt by LTA isn’t about to filled by chemical engineers or environmental engineers. More civil engineers are needed.

Based on data published by NUS, the number of civil engineering undergraduates has grown from 382 in 2011 to 476 in 2014, to about 9 per cent of the current engineering cohort. For NTU, the number grew from 428 to 464 in the same time period, to about 4 per cent of the current engineering cohort. In comparison, degrees such as chemical and mechanical engineering in NUS account for close to 20 per cent each of engineering undergraduates. Mechanical engineering in NUS has always been a popular choice due to the many specialisations available, chief of which is aerospace engineering. NTU has its own aerospace engineering degree which is greatly sought after and they currently have 385 undergraduates. One of the main reasons for its popularity is the high salary. The emphasis on growing our aerospace sector has led to aerospace engineers commanding a starting pay of $3,800 in 2011 to $4,070 in 2014.

Having spoken to my engineering friends, I realised another possible reason civil engineering might not be popular is that it is not “sexy”. They spend their laboratory sessions mixing concrete while my friends in biomedical engineering and mechanical engineering get to experiment with 3D-printers. I think the stigma that surrounds civil engineering is accentuated by the endless construction going on. With every yellow hard hat that we see, civil engineering gets just that little bit less sexy. It is after all, an engineering job that requires a lot of perspiring at work sites.

To address the shortfall, Mr Khaw has to encourage more students to pick up civil engineering and then convince them to stay on civil engineers. It is by no means an easy feat, and would require heightened coordination between the Manpower, Education ministries and the Universities. Time for the cabinet cluster approach to work! But I guess that this is a problem out of my control and I should worry about myself instead. With graduation on the horizon, I am beginning to get antsy about my future career prospects. For now, I think I will stick to being a chemical engineer. As my friend once said, “I have already slogged so hard for the degree, I need to use it once.”


http://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/singapore/engineering-is-not-‘sexy’/ar-AAfzb3q?ocid=spartandhp
 
We have plenty of ah nehs and Zhong guoren plus Pinoy engineers. How many more do you want? Both have combined population of more than 2 billions.
 
wok as engineer 4 wat? ...

sexy jobs r dose which u collect multi million $ salaries n juz tok-cok-sing uptwurn-ze-downtwurn song ... n oso can go early lunch 2 chope ze bestest toothpicks 2 bring home wif u ...
 
hard truth, engineers have no future in sinkieland. i graduated with BEng(Hons) EEE and end up trading on my own.
 
Engineering software made many engineering jobs redundant. One person can now do the job of many. and the cost of software is abut the same or less than a monthly wage of an engineer and decreasing. maybe the same for architects and drafts men.
 
look at chartered semicnoductor, once, pple who worked there got 9 months bonus, now, it is not even there and was sold away.
 
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Aren't engineers trained to write the code to develop the design software?

Cheers!

Engineering software made many engineering jobs redundant. One person can now do the job of many. and the cost of software is abut the same or less than a monthly wage of an engineer and decreasing. maybe the same for architects and drafts men.
 
Singapore under PAP does not encourage engineers to create new product technology. PAP monopolize the economy under GLCs and all they do is copycat new technologies and stagnant technological development and just buy or invest under TH.

Japan produced 100 engineers: 4 lawyers and today still lead the technology invention year by year.

Sad to see good engineers are in Japan and China and manufacturing many products for world market.



Aren't engineers trained to write the code to develop the design software?

Cheers!
 
lancheow lah. local engineers lost their jobs to cheaper FT engineers with fake degrees
 
Singapore under PAP does not encourage engineers to create new product technology. PAP monopolize the economy under GLCs and all they do is copycat new technologies and stagnant technological development and just buy or invest under TH.

Japan produced 100 engineers: 4 lawyers and today still lead the technology invention year by year.

Sad to see good engineers are in Japan and China and manufacturing many products for world market.

i agree sinkie engineers are worthless,they dont create anything,they dont innovate anything,cant even fix a goddam mrt line.oh well what u expect engineers cut from the cloth of coolies and farmer dna,

look at south korea for example,what products of theirs do not dominate the market in any way?their samsung phones are best sellers,their refrigerators are best sellers,their flat screen tvs,their steel and automobile industry dominate the world,their semi conductors,rams,fastest internet speeds in the world.what the fuck do sinkie engineers produce?
 
Singapore under PAP does not encourage engineers to create new product technology. PAP monopolize the economy under GLCs and all they do is copycat new technologies and stagnant technological .........


I doubt that any job in Spore is secure because of the PAP's policies. People had a chance to hold the PAP accountable but they chose to give it up as well as their children's future for empty promises.
 
Long and windy letter. Demand and supply lah. High demand, high salary. Higher supply, lower salary, lead to lousy buay kan engineers running the trains lah. Loh lee loh soh, talk cock many many lah this engineer. :rolleyes:
 
Long and windy letter. Demand and supply lah. High demand, high salary. Higher supply, lower salary, lead to lousy buay kan engineers running the trains lah. Loh lee loh soh, talk cock many many lah this engineer. :rolleyes:

Verbose to excess that reminds me of Roy Ngerng.
 
Hard Disk Drive industry used to be dominated by Singapore had moved north and gone.
 
Long and windy letter. Demand and supply lah. High demand, high salary. Higher supply, lower salary, lead to lousy buay kan engineers running the trains lah. Loh lee loh soh, talk cock many many lah this engineer. :rolleyes:

You talk cock lah, Singapore demand high for engineers vs unlimited supply by PAP policies, surely lead to low prices.
 
You talk cock lah, Singapore demand high for engineers vs unlimited supply by PAP policies, surely lead to low prices.

Aiya it is like he said. Good brains are wanted everywhere, not just engineering. When you import to increase supply, salaries will only go down and good brains not guaranteed to stay on in the line for long. SMRT has responsibility to bring in experienced rail engineers from overseas, not just hire some fresh out of school pinoy, burmese or viet to come here give them on the job training by equally clueless humbags. Maybe their kampongs still running trains on coal. :D
 
no worries. there are tons of people from third world shit hole with so call university will come to get the engineering jobs.
 
no worries. there are tons of people from third world shit hole with so call university will come to get the engineering jobs.

Exactly!

Engineers are amongst the lower castes of the highly educated and the working professionals, despite their exalted status in school belonging to the top math and science classes. If engineers were important, they would be paid like doctors, lawyers and accountants, instead of ughh....engineers.
 
We have plenty of ah nehs and Zhong guoren plus Pinoy engineers. How many more do you want? Both have combined population of more than 2 billions.

they are cheep cheep 2k will do but they dun do work at all........ if they do they will mess things up so badly that the biz needs ten times the amount to straighten the shits
 
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