Interesting People You Met During National Service

[Jlokta]

I knew a WO2 Paul Sim from Amour.......formation boxer.....100% indian look but got chinese surname......adopted by chinese family i think........got chinese wife also.

I know the WO2 A. Paul but he's not from armour.

Left the force couple of years back and went studying.

He's one of the few Encik i make a point to catch up with when I had to go back for ICT.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Yes, later Hsien yang was CO 46 SAR with Major rank. I doubt this Lee kuan yew story, its because even as trainee and up to 46 SAR CO, Hsien Yang was never alone. ALways got people shadow him like bodyguards and other officers who have been told throw themselves in front of any would be assasin bullets to save the clown prince.
If someone within his earshot shouted fucking lee kuan yew, the other officers around him would look for the guy and it will be either db or extra for him, for sure.

LHY had bodyguards 24/7 just like his elder brother.........he was Lta OC in 40SAR.........got alot of WITS suggestions and the CO would approve and implement instantly.......with LHY around everything was welfare....

 

[sleaguepunter]

Pic is from PRC ship, but ROC have same idea

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it may work in a millpond or lagoon but open sea, the vessel roll and pitch, no way they can hit anything with the arty. anyway, tank main gun hit target within sight. What the phrase, flat trajonarty? like that cannot hit anything hiding behind a hill, like a 105 or mortar.

 

[sleaguepunter]

What u see in ROC is only a fraction of the total number of Tempest we have in Singapore. Ask yourself why when the Malaysian ordered the PT-91 in 2003, we did not run around with our panties in a bunch. After all, the PT-91 will make minced meat out of the AMX-13s. The reason is that we have enough stock of Tempest and skilled crew such that we do not fear the PT-91. Only in 2007 did the SAF order the Leo 2 to offset the PT-91 and even than, I think they became operational only in 2011 and in limited numbers. All this time, the SAF was secretly relying on the Tempest to counter anything the neighbours have. In my opinion, given the age of this tank, its still one of the top 10 in world.

that right, msia brought enough PT91 to form a brigade only, what that 50-80 MBT only. heard from lao cek there abt the same amount on centurions in storage in singapore. I saw a picture of him beside one centurion on his work desk with an IDF personnel. look at him like blur cock yet been to holy land to train with the best and he not even a tankee.

SAF didnt brief its junior officer abt the PT91, maybe it the reservist thingy but my pc dun know anything about msia having PT91 when i point to a T72 at the simulation center and told him that msia have brought that from poland.

 

[Raiders]

Was he trained by the israelis? maybe I know him too. SOA is 80% populated by pyscho instructors. The old school ones trained by the IDF are really mentally unstable after they came back from Israel. SOme are also thrill seekers, go and get jump wings, rangers batch, etc. just for the fun of it. I think they all breath in too much exhaust fumes, and the brain got oxygen starved. Having said that, I would gladly go to war with any of these fuckers. They are tactically very good, and know their tank inside out.

He was not well trained at all. Name: Vincent Chong. He was doing those photography work in SOA. You need to take video and photos during SOA, Armour event, look for him. Need to laminate your paper, look for him. Need to bind your papers into a booklet, look for him. Totally jiak liao bee. Some time ago, I posted a guy picture in this forum. The guy who went around cheating PRC chicks money and body. This guy was Vincent Chong blue eye boy. I guess birds of the same feathers flocked together.

 

[Papsmearer]

As i am now in the shipping industry i know how unstable a ship can be on the sea. The problem is with range, sea conditions and weather. The combined recoil of a battery of 6 105mms is way bigger than the 75mm blanks they fire from floating platforms during NDP. Add that to the weight of the tank itself, the centurion is about 50 tons each and you would need a relatively flat deck to position and fire them.

Interesting idea on paper but the actual execution would be hilarious to watch to say the least

this idea cannot be implemented with AMX-13 but can be implemented with Tempest/Centurion. The difference is that the main gun is stabilised in 3 axis. That's why when the tank is driving cross country over rough terrain, the gun will remain on target at all time. The pitch and roll of the sea is no problem for the gun to handle. As for the recoil, most of the recoil energy is absorbed by the various systems in the tank like recuperators, and such. Its also possible to install a low pressure 105 mm gun on a tank with will give much less recoil, but u give up range and accuracy. Good tanks handle recoil well, otherwise the crew inside will be rattled to death after a few rounds. If u look at the picture, u can see that the deck of the ship has been reinforced to handle the weight of the armour vehicles. And yes, its only direct fire, but still, if you sail this sucker into an invasion fleet, u could wreak havoc on the landing craft and LSTs. U can also see from the picture that the tanks are tied down. In theory, u can strip a Centurion of its engine and transmission, and even tracks. It will weight 15 tons less and have a crane winch it on to the deck. U can increase ammo load at the same time.

this is a quick cost effective way to get a mobile seaborn fire support base. Also, u can shoot ATGWs like TOW from a ship too.

 

[Papsmearer]

SAF didnt brief its junior officer abt the PT91, maybe it the reservist thingy but my pc dun know anything about msia having PT91 when i point to a T72 at the simulation center and told him that msia have brought that from poland.

In that case, than armour standard has really fallen. We used to test everything the malaysians bought under pretext that we were interested in buying it too. Those arms dealers were falling over themselves sending us Scorpions and SIBMAS to test. Of course, after we find all all their weakness and strength, we say "no thanks, don't want to buy". Therefore, the PT-91/T-72 should have been tested already. And if it was, it should have been dessiminated to all ranks including gunners. That tank has a major weakness that even an AMX-13 can exploit. Just ask your PC to go to the S3 office. Every armour S3 has a library that has a confidential book on all armour of the neighbours.

 

[Papsmearer]

LHY had bodyguards 24/7 just like his elder brother.........he was Lta OC in 40SAR.........got alot of WITS suggestions and the CO would approve and implement instantly.......with LHY around everything was welfare....

Yes, I already know this. LOL. Nice guy, than he married Lim Chong Yaw spoilt bitch daughter. And that was the end of him. LOL

 

[wikiphile]

this idea cannot be implemented with AMX-13 but can be implemented with Tempest/Centurion. The difference is that the main gun is stabilised in 3 axis. That's why when the tank is driving cross country over rough terrain, the gun will remain on target at all time. The pitch and roll of the sea is no problem for the gun to handle. As for the recoil, most of the recoil energy is absorbed by the various systems in the tank like recuperators, and such. Its also possible to install a low pressure 105 mm gun on a tank with will give much less recoil, but u give up range and accuracy. Good tanks handle recoil well, otherwise the crew inside will be rattled to death after a few rounds. If u look at the picture, u can see that the deck of the ship has been reinforced to handle the weight of the armour vehicles. And yes, its only direct fire, but still, if you sail this sucker into an invasion fleet, u could wreak havoc on the landing craft and LSTs. U can also see from the picture that the tanks are tied down. In theory, u can strip a Centurion of its engine and transmission, and even tracks. It will weight 15 tons less and have a crane winch it on to the deck. U can increase ammo load at the same time.

this is a quick cost effective way to get a mobile seaborn fire support base. Also, u can shoot ATGWs like TOW from a ship too.

Since the tempests uses the L7 as well, its only effective up to 3KM at best from the sea? End of the day, it is still a cannon and not a howitzer/mortar. I would say its uses is quite limited to shore bombardment at fortified positions prior to an amphibious landing or direct assault on the beachhead

 

[Papsmearer]

I thought all along that was the agreement? That the facilities would belong to ROC eventually.
What about the other overseas bases? Did SAF built them from ground up or just tumpang?

SOme overseas bases are rented like Cayaux airbase in France, the US bases, Thai airbase and Indonesia bases, etc. Others like Brunei and ROC, we built facilities there which becomes theirs went we leave.

 

[Scrooball (clone)]

Warren Paul as in his name or Warrant Paul?

If its the latter, is this Warrant A. Paul you're talking about?

Apologies for not being clear. Warrant Officer from PLAB. Most people usually call him Warrant Paul for short.

 

[steffychun]

SOme overseas bases are rented like Cayaux airbase in France, the US bases, Thai airbase and Indonesia bases, etc. Others like Brunei and ROC, we built facilities there which becomes theirs went we leave.

So we stopped training in Taiwan for good? since when? Why?

 

[Papsmearer]

Since the tempests uses the L7 as well, its only effective up to 3KM at best from the sea? End of the day, it is still a cannon and not a howitzer/mortar. I would say its uses is quite limited to shore bombardment at fortified positions prior to an amphibious landing or direct assault on the beachhead

Depends on ammo. L7 can reach 4000m. The ROC doctrine if I am correct is to use these ad hoc battleship to repel chinese invasion fleet. Not to do shore bombardment unless the PLA already land.

 

[Papsmearer]

So we stopped training in Taiwan for good? since when? Why?

read post #303. The why is complicated.

 

[steffychun]

read post #303. The why is complicated.

Would like to know the why

You said centurions are retired. Taiwan owns them now?

Wiki says Taiwan has no proper MBT

 

[sleaguepunter]

In that case, than armour standard has really fallen. We used to test everything the malaysians bought under pretext that we were interested in buying it too. Those arms dealers were falling over themselves sending us Scorpions and SIBMAS to test. Of course, after we find all all their weakness and strength, we say "no thanks, don't want to buy". Therefore, the PT-91/T-72 should have been tested already. And if it was, it should have been dessiminated to all ranks including gunners. That tank has a major weakness that even an AMX-13 can exploit. Just ask your PC to go to the S3 office. Every armour S3 has a library that has a confidential book on all armour of the neighbours.

too late liao. i completed my ict cycle few years ago and if nothing go wrong, my pc should also complete liao as he only missing 1 hk ict. i find SAF either too secretive or view all conscripts as stupid. there no lesson on potential enemy vehicle ID and weakness. the only thing i know was an m113 was a fire death trap which was used on both side of the causeway. btw the BX also a piece of shit, badly design and too many gadgets dun work. SAF dun even provide a spare wrench to the gunner so that no need to share with the driver. Like the T55, BX turret crew best under 1.6m and no more than 70kg, if not, it will take a lot of effort to get the brushmaster going.

 

[sleaguepunter]

Would like to know the why

You said centurions are retired. Taiwan owns them now?

Wiki says Taiwan has no proper MBT

kmt army have M60

 

[Papsmearer]

too late liao. i completed my ict cycle few years ago and if nothing go wrong, my pc should also complete liao as he only missing 1 hk ict. i find SAF either too secretive or view all conscripts as stupid. there no lesson on potential enemy vehicle ID and weakness. the only thing i know was an m113 was a fire death trap which was used on both side of the causeway. btw the BX also a piece of shit, badly design and too many gadgets dun work. SAF dun even provide a spare wrench to the gunner so that no need to share with the driver. Like the T55, BX turret crew best under 1.6m and no more than 70kg, if not, it will take a lot of effort to get the brushmaster going.

The real purpose of armour in singapore is to back up Leegime. Where got need for enemy vehicle ID? But agreed that there need to be instruction on id and weakness. If u see a SIBMAS, do you whack a APFSDS round at it or a HE? All these are legitimate training needs. Before the upgrade, AMX was the worse death trap, especially with the petrol engine.

 

[wikiphile]

The real purpose of armour in singapore is to back up Leegime. Where got need for enemy vehicle ID? But agreed that there need to be instruction on id and weakness. If u see a SIBMAS, do you whack a APFSDS round at it or a HE? All these are legitimate training needs. Before the upgrade, AMX was the worse death trap, especially with the petrol engine.

petrol? WTF? It was common knowledge since WWII that pure gasoline engines are ticking fire bombs. Hence either mixed or diesel engines for armoured vehicles

 

[steffychun]

If Malaysia's PT-91 engages our Leopard 2SGs, who would win