Inability to differentiate between a PR and a Citizen

[scroobal]

Found it odd that many are unable to differentiate between a PR and a citizen. They are both completely different in terms of stature. Loyalty is not a factor for PR.

The PRC meimei incident seemed to have raised the hackles for all the wrong reason.

I suspect that the way the Govt treats all foreigners residing in singapore ie, favourable treatment has changed the perception of a PR.

Maybe the Govt should impose strict penalities and conditions on PR receiving scholarships, grants, subsidies and favourable treatment. Besides doing these things, they should be transparent and upfront about those who have skipped, paid the penatlies rather than pretend that investment in human capital carries some costs.

 

[Hope]

Found it odd that many are unable to differentiate between a PR and a citizen. They are both completely different in terms of stature. Loyalty is not a factor for PR.

The PRC meimei incident seemed to have raised the hackles for all the wrong reason.

I suspect that the way the Govt treats all foreigners residing in singapore ie, favourable treatment has changed the perception of a PR.

Maybe the Govt should impose strict penalities and conditions on PR receiving scholarships, grants, subsidies and favourable treatment. Besides doing these things, they should be transparent and upfront about those who have skipped, paid the penatlies rather than pretend that investment in human capital carries some costs.

For a start,PAP should stop calling PRs Singaporeans,would PAP so so,I doubt it very much

 

[Ramseth]

Scroobal, the confusion starts when government statistics classify PRs together with citizens for most purposes, e.g. population, employment-unemployment, economic figures etc. Truth is Singapore has about 2m adult citizens and less than 3m citizens including minors. The truth hurts, but instead of healing it, they try to bandage it with PRs.

 

[jw5]

Citizens can vote. That's the key difference.
So let's send a few of those policy makers packing.
The rest will become more understanding.

 

[scroobal]

Agree with you. Wait till the new citizens find out that there is little difference between the previous status as a PR and their new status.

Sadly all those nuances and features of a citizen and its association with country has been eroded that the term resident is becoming more appropriate. Monaco is similar.

Scroobal, the confusion starts when government statistics classify PRs together with citizens for most purposes, e.g. population, employment-unemployment, economic figures etc. Truth is Singapore has about 2m adult citizens and less than 3m citizens including minors. The truth hurts, but instead of healing it, they try to bandage it with PRs.

 

[soIsee]

Agree with you. Wait till the new citizens find out that there is little difference between the previous status as a PR and their new status.

Sadly all those nuances and features of a citizen and its association with country has been eroded that the term resident is becoming more appropriate. Monaco is similar.

Maybe you do not fully understand ( you are like the majority of Sinkies who fail to see, not fail to understand) the view of why PRs remain PR or PRs becuming citiziens.

To them, these foreigners who decide to stay as eithier as PR or citizen makes little difference.

They look at the issue from the perspective of a foreigner and what good is it to remain in Singapore, living and working here with their families compared to where they come from.

What the foreigner sees are mostly advantages and most importantly a better life compared to where they come from, no matter they remain as PR or becuming citiizens.

It's like the saying... the foreigner can be looking at the fish tank from the outside and then from the inside of the tank and decide it is better to stay in Singapore for the longer term.

It is only the Sporns , who are only able to look out of the fish tank from within but never appreciate the goods things inside the tank becos they were never able to look at the fish tank from the outside!

 

[pia]

Well, the MIWs have made citizenship as dollar-and-cents issue which shouldn't be in the first place.

What happened to I'm a citizen, this is my birthplace and this is the country I'll fight to death to defend?

 

[scroobal]

You summed it up well. To this govt, its pure economics - nothing to do with hearts and minds.

Interestingly they spend a fortune on SAF and they seriously expect Singaporeans to die for an economic asset as opposed to a country.

A country like a tree needs strong roots.Its usually takes generations to build that. It was growing well for over 30 years but someone has forgotten to water it as of late.

Well, the MIWs have made citizenship as dollar-and-cents issue which shouldn't be in the first place.

What happened to I'm a citizen, this is my birthplace and this is the country I'll fight to death to defend?

 

[rodent2005]

Obviously you are out of your depth here and cannot grasp the topic being discussed.

 

[ccchia]

The key issue here is a PAPpy gahmen that is a fascist dictatorship masquerading as a sham democracy. All their policies are geared towards their self interest and do not have the peasant's welfare in mind. The FT policy and PRC mass importing into the little red dot is a good example.

All Sinkie peasants should just vote the useless PAPpys out of the gahmen at the next G.E. when they have the chance to do so.

 

[kakowi]

The best way to determine if there is a difference between a PR and a citizen is to see if the Government makes such a distinction and if yes, what is the distinction.

Specifically what is the difference in terms of:

(1) hospitalization cost and eligibility

(2) education cost and eligibility

(3) public housing cost and eligibility

(4) civil service jobs and eligibility

(5) national service eligibility


Talking about technical differentiation is meaningful only if it translate into real differences.

 

[scroobal]

Well said and good examples.

The best way to determine if there is a difference between a PR and a citizen is to see if the Government makes such a distinction and if yes, what is the distinction.

Specifically what is the difference in terms of:

(1) hospitalization cost and eligibility

(2) education cost and eligibility

(3) public housing cost and eligibility

(4) civil service jobs and eligibility

(5) national service eligibility


Talking about technical differentiation is meaningful only if it translate into real differences.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Found it odd that many are unable to differentiate between a PR and a citizen. They are both completely different in terms of stature. Loyalty is not a factor for PR.

Not really. Citizens are the ones who are angrier.

And no one should be loyal to any country - my opininion, and the Bible's.

Cheers!

 

[redlightmeansgo]

Like sand for reclaimed land, PRCs are shipped here for the same filling up purposes.

 

[QXD]

Waaa...cheeemmmm....like something Yoda would say...

Like sand for reclaimed land, PRCs are shipped here for the same filling up purposes.

 

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One is a FUCKEE, the other one is a FUCKER!

 

[Churuya]

Like sand for reclaimed land, PRCs are shipped here for the same filling up purposes.

It may cause problems in the long run, but our politicians here are only interested in quick but temporary fixes that causes more problems in the future.

 

[Leongsam]

It may cause problems in the long run, but our politicians here are only interested in quick but temporary fixes that causes more problems in the future.

Explain how the current intake of Chinese nationals will cause more problems in the future?

After all, 75% of native Singaporeans are descendants of PRC nationals who arrived under similar circumstances.. to fill the labour needs created by a thriving economy.

 

[Churuya]

Explain how the current intake of Chinese nationals will cause more problems in the future?

After all, 75% of native Singaporeans are descendants of PRC nationals who arrived under similar circumstances.. to fill the labour needs created by a thriving economy.

Sure, I can explain. Just don't fall asleep from the wall of text~ I wonder if a teacher will dare to pose such questions during national education classes.

Firstly, PRC nationals who come here don't come here under similar circumstances.

Most of the second/third generation (I wouldn't call them "native") Chinese Singaporeans descended from people who had to leave China becuase it's a matter of life and death. At the time the collapse of the Qing Empire, European/Japanese Imperialism and subsequently events leading up to World War 2, as well as the Chinese Revolution in 1949 and events that lead to the Cultural Revolution in 1966-76. They settled here because there was no future for them elsewhere.

The PRC nationals who come here are here to make a quick buck. Even if they screw up here they can easily run home with no reprecussions whatsoever. If they had a command of english comparable to the average singaporean they would rather go to the U.S. to work, so they have almost non-existent command of english.

So how about singaporeans with a good command of english? Emigration rates in Singapore are one of the highest in the world (3 out of 10 every year). You also can see the effects on declining quality of MPs and Judges. Some of them apparently even lack the basic standards of rational and logical thought! Do you expect smart people will follow crazy leaders? (My ans: Yes, but only for the money?)

 

[Leongsam]

The PRC nationals who come here are here to make a quick buck. Even if they screw up here they can easily run home with no reprecussions whatsoever. If they had a command of english comparable to the average singaporean they would rather go to the U.S. to work, so they have almost non-existent command of english.

So how about singaporeans with a good command of english? Emigration rates in Singapore are one of the highest in the world (3 out of 10 every year). You also can see the effects on declining quality of MPs and Judges. Some of them apparently even lack the basic standards of rational and logical thought! Do you expect smart people will follow crazy leaders? (My ans: Yes, but only for the money?)

While the world may have been a different place during the era you describe, the reason of emigration has always been the same and that is to realise the dream of building a better future.

I see no difference between the Ah Tiongs who are arriving today and those that arrived a century ago. They want to improve their lot just as your forefathers did many years ago.

Where did you get your stats for emigration rates? Please advise.