Impressions of a Police Commissioner

[sammymugabe]

Suddenly you are aware of his secondment! Maybe suddenly you will be aware of other things as it becomes evident.

You see, it was YOU who spoke of his secondment, not me. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you came up with the SBA thing. If that act of face-giving to you is what you want to call 'awareness' on my part, sure thing! What I questioned was your claim that he 'retired quietly' and did nothing after an unfortunate stint in SBA when someone quizzed you on his life after SBA, if SBA is true at all. You know full well your agenda and how you tried to paint him. I only asked you to back your statements up when he is now the deputy commissioner of police force.

I also noticed that besides comprehension your maths need a second look. There are more Perm Sec Position than PPS to certain posts. Work it out.

How cute. now you're making those who did PPS sound like they're higher than perm sec. So exclusive thats why only 1 perm sec did PPS. There are non president's scholars like Yong (just a mere OMS) who also did PPS.

Do you happen to know that there is also PPS to president, which is undertaken by lowly nobodies in the armed forces? I bet not.

You must obviously think that Perm Sec is more impt than CEO SPH.

I don't know about 'importance', no one else's numbskulled enough to compare a private sector position with a public sector one.

I'd be very amused if you thought CEO of SPH made more $ than an superscale AO deputy sec, perm sec, head of CS Hahahahah!!!

how simple it's almost sweet. does it go like this : "if it's private should be more?" 4 legs good. 2 legs bad.

how can anyone be naive enough to think deputy CEO of CAAS or CEO of SPH is paid more than a mill and a half? good grief.

Here is a pop quiz
- Name 2 siblings of Alan
- name the famous individual that Alan met privately in the company of MM/KWA outside Singapore while Alan held the postion of PPS.

When you suddenly become aware, do post.

How cute again. I am proven right again about you. Your little, starry-eyed, looking-in-from-the-outside-through-my-three-xiao-mao-friends periscope into the world of scholars you're not a part of. when i expose you, you can only come up with trivia quiz on the Chans.

i knew i was right. now you had to go confirm it multiple times.

Go buy your three scholar friends a beer, ask them out and tell them to give you the lowdown on what's on since 20 years ago.

 

[sammymugabe]

Btw just to corect Loaded 8888's post , none of the 3 musketeers ( KBH,GLK and CCK ) who were "told" to switch from SAF to SPF were President's scholars.

It was Scroobal who claimed they are PS. They aren't.

( if nothing else this proves that they are not of lesser quality than SAFOS ) .

It proves they are less regarded in the service (by this, i mean government service)

Sadly, since 4 to 5 years ago, the quality of both the SAFOS and SPFOS ( and OMS too ) has been declining as the attraction of government scholarships with its long bondage has dwindled. This is evident from the CVs, academic grades, universities that they gain admittance to and course of study pursued of the more recent scholarship receipients

Oh really?

Universities? http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/N...1558/2008listofPresidentsscholars8Aug2008.pdf

Cambridge, Yale, Stanford, Warwick. What's changed?

Do our top scholars now find themselves unable to get into HYPSM. Contrary to your claim, it was the 70s and 80s when you see more PS in farmer university like NUS because that was before the regulation that PS who pursue Medicine have to do so only locally was lifted. The regulation was lifted in 2006, now PS who do medicine can do so in Cambridge on government's tab.

Course of study?

Times have changed. And you are still stuck in the past. Science and engineering are out. Humanities is in.Welcome to the new millennium.

As for CV of CCA and, academic grades, they are better than ever in history, simply cos everyone is getting better than ever. 40 yrs ago, less than 1000 JC students get 4A and above. Now, close to 2000 per A level cohort get at least 4A and above, putting the emphasis on CCA, interviews, psychometric tests and community work more so than ever as the differentiating factor. http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking+News/Singapore/Story/STIStory_346757.html
http://talkback.stomp.com.sg/forums/showthread.php?t=64666

No chance of shortlist for interview without 4A+ 2S Distinction. In the 90s, 4As and 1S merit and 1 S distinction can still make it.

Attraction dwindled? Lets see latest stats. http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/C...RMAN+2008+PSC+SCHOLARSHIPS+AWARD+CEREMONY.htm

Last year, over 2000 of Singapore's top students applied (please refer to the numbers of top students nowadays above as tallies), 370 were called up for interview, the rest rejected without a meeting. They gave scholarships out to 69 people. Let's do some sums. Success rate is 3.45%. Do note that this figure includes the addition of low rung scholarships like Singapore Government Scholarship (SGS), and the LOMS. SGS and LOMS is at the bottom of the pool.

PSC tried to increase the figure of scholarships given out by adding more low rung scholarships to its fold and giving those out in larger numbers (reviving the SGS and LOMS), after it had been accused of elitism and being unattainable, after it reduced the scholarships it awarded in the mid 2000s after they divested all low rung local teaching awards, low rung ministry tied scholarships and local awards to individual ministries like MOE, MHA (these totalled to the hundreds), and shaved its responsibility down to focus on only its elite scholarships, PS, SAFOS, SPFOS and OMS.

Please note the rung.

-PS
-SAFOS
-SPFOS
-OMS (Open)
-OMS (Tied/or what they call 'Specialist' now eg OMS (teaching), OMS (legal service)
-Ministry Tied OMS eg Ministry of Affairs Tied OverseasScholarships
- SGS (overseas)
- LOMS

You may be a happy little trooper in the police to know its goings-on, but you haven't the faintest, mistiest clue on what's up in the scholars world.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

so were Tjong and Benny both PPS as well?...

Just want to add that the job of Director ISD is also usually held by an ex PPS appointee. Would confirm Scroobal's observation that most PS's have arrived via the PPS route. Finally to answer the pop quiz, Alan's siblings ( who are also part of the estab are Chan Heng Wing and Chan Heng Chee ). Don't know who Alan saw privately in company of MM/KWA - was it Thakshin?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

is this the chap who oversaw the MSK manhunt?

. A dark horse for CP is Wong Hong Kuan current Director OPs. A local police scholar he has leap-frogged over his seniors including some SPFOS such as Ng Joo Hee now Director of Prisons. There are many SACs now

 

[scroobal]

Looks like you got your knickers in a twist. Not everyone gets to be a PPS. And PPS need not be a OMS. Its an elite pool. One day you will realise that the Alpha Group is segmented.

Like I said, you had no clue about the secondment and yet wrote so much. Take it easy, not every one has the goods.

You see, it was YOU who spoke of his secondment, not me. I gave you the benefit of the doubt when you came up with the SBA thing. If that act of face-giving to you is what you want to call 'awareness' on my part, sure thing! What I questioned was your claim that he 'retired quietly' and did nothing after an unfortunate stint in SBA when someone quizzed you on his life after SBA, if SBA is true at all. You know full well your agenda and how you tried to paint him. I only asked you to back your statements up when he is now the deputy commissioner of police force.
How cute. now you're making those who did PPS sound like they're higher than perm sec. So exclusive thats why only 1 perm sec did PPS. There are non president's scholars like Yong (just a mere OMS) who also did PPS.

Do you happen to know that there is also PPS to president, which is undertaken by lowly nobodies in the armed forces? I bet not.
I don't know about 'importance', no one else's numbskulled enough to compare a private sector position with a public sector one.

I'd be very amused if you thought CEO of SPH made more $ than an superscale AO deputy sec, perm sec, head of CS Hahahahah!!!

how simple it's almost sweet. does it go like this : "if it's private should be more?" 4 legs good. 2 legs bad.

how can anyone be naive enough to think deputy CEO of CAAS or CEO of SPH is paid more than a mill and a half? good grief.

How cute again. I am proven right again about you. Your little, starry-eyed, looking-in-from-the-outside-through-my-three-xiao-mao-friends periscope into the world of scholars you're not a part of. when i expose you, you can only come up with trivia quiz on the Chans.

i knew i was right. now you had to go confirm it multiple times.

Go buy your three scholar friends a beer, ask them out and tell them to give you the lowdown on what's on since 20 years ago.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

hey scroobal, talking about PPS...what's the story on martin marini?...thought he was going places in AS then suddenly saw him in private practice and now gen counsel @MPA of all places

Suddenly you are aware of his secondment! Maybe suddenly you will be aware of other things as it becomes evident. I also noticed that besides comprehension your maths need a second look. There are more Perm Sec Position than PPS to certain posts. Work it out. You must obviously think that Perm Sec is more impt than CEO SPH.

Here is a pop quiz
- Name 2 siblings of Alan
- name the famous individual that Alan met privately in the company of MM/KWA outside Singapore while Alan held the postion of PPS.

When you suddenly become aware, do post.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

i thought they were president scholars...for eg CCK

Press Statement: Changes in Key MHA Departmental Appointments, 14 October 98 Mr Poh Geok Ek, Director of Prisons, will be retiring on 1 Nov 98. Mr Chua Chin Kiat, currently Director, Criminal Investigations Department (CID) will succeed Mr Poh as Director of Prisons. Mr Ng Seng Liang, Director, Manpower at the Singapore Police Force, will take over as Director, CID. The postings take effect on the same day.


Mr Chua Chin Kiat, a President's - cum - SAF Scholar, graduated from University of Aston in 1975. He was transferred from the SAF to the Singapore Police Force in 1977. He was appointed Director of CID in October 1995. Mr Chua was awarded the Public Administration Medal (Silver) in 1993.

It was Scroobal who claimed they are PS. They aren't.It proves they are less regarded in the service (by this, i mean government service).

does this apply across the board?...because i gather aubeck kam read law at KC London not KC Cantab...

on the medicine president scholarship issue...if what you say is true, then i think the government/PSC should be transparent and upfront on this issue to the public...why waste taxpayers $$$ when the local medical fac is supposed to be a very good school...in any event why waste taxpayers $$$ on giving scholarships to scholars who wish to read medicine in the first place??

Oh really?

Universities? http://www.pscscholarships.gov.sg/N...1558/2008listofPresidentsscholars8Aug2008.pdf

Cambridge, Yale, Stanford, Warwick. What's changed?

Do our top scholars now find themselves unable to get into HYPSM. Contrary to your claim, it was the 70s and 80s when you see more PS in farmer university like NUS because that was before the regulation that PS who pursue Medicine have to do so only locally was lifted. The regulation was lifted in 2006, now PS who do medicine can do so in Cambridge on government's tab.

 

[scroobal]

Now thats an interesting bloke. Has no clue what he wants in life. His results thru out his schooling day was just average. His admission to AS was a shock but both dad and him were party stalwarts. He was supposed to take up SAF scholarship to the Philippines Military Academy, then dropped and it goes on and on. Dad worked for PSA and union. Not a surprise that he went back familiar territory.

Not an intelligent chap but pretty nice chap.

hey scroobal, talking about PPS...what's the story on martin marini?...thought he was going places in AS then suddenly saw him in private practice and now gen counsel @MPA of all places

 

[bhoven]

You may be a happy little trooper in the police to know its goings-on, but you haven't the faintest, mistiest clue on what's up in the scholars world.[/QUOTE]

You are rite..I am only a farmer....cannot argue with an elite (scholar?) like you ...who is is up there in his ivory tower chewing stats and forgetting to talk to the troops.

 

[bhoven]

so were Tjong and Benny both PPS as well?...

I said usually..thesetwo were the rare exceptions. Tjong was posted to ISD from day 1 and worked his way up to be Director. Benny started in SID eventually becoming both SID and ISD Director. He is now PS MHA.

Yes WHK oversaw the MSK manhunt...he is i believe very active in Toa Payoh GRC

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

oic...remember him from his tv debate days which sprung up alot of interesting personalities like bayi ex mp top lawyer, viv, eleanor and indranee to name but afew...when he was a PPS thought he was heading for better things, that is why i got a shock when i suddenly heard that he had gone into private practice...thanks for the info

Now thats an interesting bloke. Has no clue what he wants in life. His results thru out his schooling day was just average. His admission to AS was a shock but both dad and him were party stalwarts. He was supposed to take up SAF scholarship to the Philippines Military Academy, then dropped and it goes on and on. Dad worked for PSA and union. Not a surprise that he went back familiar territory.

Not an intelligent chap but pretty nice chap.

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

hey thanks for the info...if you thought i sounded rude, had no intention Bro...i am just a big kaypoh and always keen to hear juicy insider info...

on WHK, well after the way he handled the MSK manhunt, especially the poor and somewhat opaque communications aspect with the public, i don't have a very good impression of his capabilities...

I said usually..thesetwo were the rare exceptions. Tjong was posted to ISD from day 1 and worked his way up to be Director. Benny started in SID eventually becoming both SID and ISD Director. He is now PS MHA.

Yes WHK oversaw the MSK manhunt...he is i believe very active in Toa Payoh GRC

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

btw is Pang a former PPS?

I said usually..thesetwo were the rare exceptions. Tjong was posted to ISD from day 1 and worked his way up to be Director. Benny started in SID eventually becoming both SID and ISD Director. He is now PS MHA.

Yes WHK oversaw the MSK manhunt...he is i believe very active in Toa Payoh GRC

 

[scroobal]

This guy has got lot of wires tangled up. He is attributing things to me that I never made or even discussed. Only Chua was president's scholar. The claim they all were, was made by loaded888. This guy's comprehension skills are rather poor.

As to medical thing, it was found that many preferred to do the "cosmopolitan" thing that old man spoke passionately about why OMS carry a special position. Rather than lose them to other disciplines, to open it up. I think there was also a realisation that they will eventually serve a generalist role rather than a medical role.

By the way, there is no bond for President Scholar doing medicine locally. Viv B was not bonded. That was the other issue. The need to tie them down. To tie them down, you need them to sign on with SAF etc. Who the hells wants to if medicine is their game.

i thought they were president scholars...for eg CCK

 

[scroobal]

I forgot to mention that he was actually groomed for NTUC but not sure what happenned.

oic...remember him from his tv debate days which sprung up alot of interesting personalities like bayi ex mp top lawyer, viv, eleanor and indranee to name but afew...when he was a PPS thought he was heading for better things, that is why i got a shock when i suddenly heard that he had gone into private practice...thanks for the info

 

[scroobal]

Yes, to PM (GCT)

btw is Pang a former PPS?

 

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

okay...actually i was under the impression that all 3 were president scholars, don't know why though...still quite amazed that a president scholar lands up at Aetos though (no disrespect intended)...

This guy has got lot of wires tangled up. He is attributing things to me that I never made or even discussed. Only Chua was president's scholar. The claim they all were, was made by loaded888. This guy's comprehension skills are rather poor.

you know i think this takes the biscuit...bloody kishore keeps harping on about how great NUS is...but the top scholars and his children want to go to ivy league and cantab/oxon land...sheesh...i tend to agree with what ngiam once said

As to medical thing, it was found that many preferred to do the "cosmopolitan" thing that old man spoke passionately about why OMS carry a special position. Rather than lose them to other disciplines, to open it up. I think there was also a realisation that they will eventually serve a generalist role rather than a medical role.

 

[SamuelStalin]

I think you are mistaken. He died sometime after his release from jail. Some sort of illness.

Portfolio Robinrose, that's quite a horrible death, especially for a freaking gay.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Loaded888 started this post in revenge for the gay doctor entrapment case

He declared that if he falsified any fact, he would die horribly (or to that effect)

Spotted a post of his last year

He's still out here reading

What is the gay doctor entrapment case about pray tell?

 

[SamuelStalin]

such an old thread... not all the things said are true. if KBH is no good he would not have remained for so long as the police commissioner.
furthermore he is now the interpol head or something. dun think the interpol will accept someone with no experience and credibility. his credentials in singapore must have impressed.

bro scroobal have an axe to grind with the poodles?

Yup, you do make sense compared to some stupid people.