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Illinois firm gives China a run for its money

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Bringing work home, Illinois firm gives China a run for its money
Updated: Sunday, September 19, 2010, 12:38 PM

Western companies take a new look at manufacturing outsourcing


Peerless makes television mounting brackets and other TV accessories. As U.S. companies flocked to Chinese factories in recent years, so did Peerless, outsourcing 35 percent of its manufacturing there.

Then Campagna did the math.

"The unit price of the product is enticing," Campagna says. "But when you include the inventory-carrying costs, the freight costs and all the things it really takes, it may not pencil out."

Peerless pulled a U-turn. The company now makes all 3,600 of its products in a green-certified factory in Aurora, Ill. Managers have said goodbye to long lead times, product piracy and lack of manufacturing control.

Each week, assembly workers at the plant squeeze out more costs, pursuing parity with the so-called China price.

"We're going to probably be within 12 to 15 percent of the Chinese cost," Campagna says. "It might cost us a point or two on the bottom line, but if we can provide more jobs and really get the plant humming, it's worth it."

Campagna, 44, has an MBA from the Keller Graduate School of Management of DeVry University. He worked his way up over the years at Peerless, a privately held company with annual revenues well exceeding $100 million.

For four years, Campagna watched as Chinese factory workers churned out aluminum products for Peerless. The company had outsourced those goods because it lacked aluminum dye-casting equipment and expected savings from China's reduced costs.

Campagna realized Peerless was holding months of extra inventory -- say, a month's worth in the United States, a month in ships, a month at Chinese factories and a month at suppliers in China. What's more, knockoff Peerless products were popping up around China as copycats ripped off company designs. And China's labor costs were rising just as wages had climbed in Mexico as that country developed a middle class.

Peerless managers decided to pull back. They bought used aluminum die-casting equipment for pennies on the dollar. They hired skilled operators from the struggling U.S. auto industry. They planned to automate wherever they could, minimizing labor costs.

Peerless, which had no debt, used Illinois recovery-zone bonds toward a bargain on a 10-year-old, 318,000-square-foot building. Campagna promised the state in return to hire at least 85 more workers within three years. The new headquarters replaced a plant in China and four older buildings on two Illinois campuses.

The refurbished building bears a LEED green-building certification. It's designed to draw power from solar panels and wind turbines. Heat from powder-coating ovens will be recycled to warm the building in winter.

"We control the process, we control the quality, we can react to customer demand faster because the manufacturing is here," Campagna says. "We're just tightening up our processes and bringing costs down every week."

Peerless has taken advantage of prior economic slumps to expand. The company set a sales record in 2008, then saw revenues plummet 25 percent in 2009. This year, sales are flat. The company is gearing up for an economic recovery that Campagna expects in 2011 or 2012.

Peerless has gained good publicity for its Made in America strategy -- mostly in the Chicago media but also nationally on PBS.

"Look what the Japanese did," Campagna says. "Instead of just shipping cars over here, they set up shop and began making them here. If they can make cars cost-effectively in the U.S., why can't we manufacture here, too?"

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2010/09/bringing_work_home_illinois_fi.html
 

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In reverse of offshore trend, Oregon manufacturing thrives when high-tech, high-quality products are needed.



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HILLSBORO -- Something radical is happening in a nondescript industrial park at the end of a cul-de-sac here.

Inside a rented building, American workers assemble electronic products and load circuit boards. That's a remarkable sight in this era of rampant offshoring.

Tom Hauge, president of Quality Production Ltd., greets visitors in an entry so tiny it lacks chairs. He started the contract-manufacturing business in his garage 15 years ago.

Even as Oregon hemorrhages manufacturing jobs, Hauge says, QPL's revenues grow 40 percent a year. The company has hired 20 workers in less than two years and now employs 55. Hauge is bullish on U.S. manufacturing, countering conventional wisdom that America can't compete.

"There are certain manufactured products that will need to stay here," Hauge says. "If it's engineering intensive, if it's low-volume, if it's controlled by the government or if it's a new product where you need to get the bugs out before mass production."

"And, some of our customers are just loyal to America."


No one predicts a giant sucking sound emanating from China as jobs return wholesale to the United States.

But as the electronics industry quietly picks up -- and it's recovering fast, Hauge says -- the manufacturing pendulum is swinging at least partway back across the Pacific. U.S. companies that demand high quality, close supervision, quick problem-solving and frequent product changes often find satisfaction at a factory next door.

That's especially important in Oregon, where as recently as 2007, high-tech manufacturing accounted for about 10 percent of economic output -- eight times the share nationally.

Industry experts say some U.S. companies that outsourced abroad are returning, after encountering defects, delays and theft of trade secrets. "The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the world," says Patrick Penfield, a Syracuse University professor of supply-chain management.

Penfield and others still expect the U.S. exodus of mass production to continue. "Those days of big, monster U.S. facilities producing the same product day after day are gone," Penfield says. "High-tech, highly innovative products, those are things that are smart for the U.S. to produce."

Portland-based Tiba Medical Inc. pays QPL to make circuit boards for devices that patients wear to measure blood-pressure fluctuations. "Having a product that's made in the U.S. has given us caché in the world market," says Merat Bagha, Tiba president.

Bagha doesn't mind paying a manufacturing premium of perhaps 50 percent for the devices that retail at $2,000.

"Manufacturing in Asia creates hassles and challenges that are not worth it," Bagha says. "We know that we're paying more, but for the type of device we have, the peace of mind is worth a lot."
 

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Business brings jobs back from China
AJC Exclusive: Fastener maker Scovill learns from foray into Asia

By Dan Chapman

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Clarkesville -- A button maker in this hilly north Georgia town did the unthinkable: It closed a factory in China and saved American jobs.

“Hey, made in the USA is always the best,” said Angie Kastner, an assembly line leader at Scovill Fasteners Inc. “I don’t want anybody not to have a job. But I was glad to see a lot of jobs come back here.”

Scovill’s decision to quit low-wage China — which has sucked up tens of thousands of Georgia jobs this decade — and return to the United States is a rare, stand-economic-theory-on-its-head cautionary tale. Communist China, it seems, isn’t manufacturing heaven for everybody.

Scovill’s CEO is the first to say his company made mistakes that led to its exit from mainland China. But China’s economic ascension, with the attendant rise in salaries, industrial expectations and standard of living, made it increasingly difficult, and expensive, for U.S. companies to thrive there.

The so-called “China price,” where American manufacturers automatically expected savings of 30 percent, 40 percent or even 50 percent simply by moving production to China, is disappearing.

Scovill, which saved 170 U.S. jobs by abandoning China, belatedly discovered that Clarkesville made more financial sense than China.


“Five, six years ago everybody was running over there, so we thought we had to do it too to stay competitive,” said Michael Lowery, the plant manager for Scovill.

“We learned some hard lessons. We failed in China. We didn’t understand what we were getting into. But our decision to come back here is the beginning of a success story.”

Scovill is one of the oldest U.S. companies in operation. Founded in 1802 in Waterbury, Conn., Scovill supplied buttons for naval uniforms during the War of 1812.

The Clarkesville plant, about 90 miles north of Atlanta, opened in the early 1950s. The corporate headquarters followed in 1998. A decade ago, 500 people made buttons, fasteners, grommets, snaps and zippers at the north Georgia plant.

Today, Scovill Fasteners Inc. employs 250 in Georgia. They make snaps for baby onesies, buttons for Wrangler bluejeans and chin-strap fasteners for football helmets.
 

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One company employes 50 people! There will always for the outliers.

Fact is as mentioned - in US medical ins is $18K a year. There is no way for Americans to compete in relatively labor intensive industries.

China is now world leader in Greentech! US greentech is in trouble. Cap and trade is dead and all the VC funded companies are unable to find the real $ for IPO needed to put in the $500M to $1B needed for full production.

Meanwhile back in China, Beijing is throwing in the $$. I would not be surprised if Chinese lead greentech in 5 to 10 years time.
 

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yes small factory does not benefit from china. company like apple, that made tens of thousands per day will benefit from china. they dun have to pay for pensions and overprice health insurance in china, and they dun have people in states that hurt themselves during work place just to get insurance money and sue the company.
USA is great for employee, not so good for rich employers.
singapore in the other hand is good for rich employers, and bad for employee.
 

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yes small factory does not benefit from china. company like apple, that made tens of thousands per day will benefit from china. they dun have to pay for pensions and overprice health insurance in china, and they dun have people in states that hurt themselves during work place just to get insurance money and sue the company.
USA is great for employee, not so good for rich employers.
singapore in the other hand is good for rich employers, and bad for employee.

and result is??? suck the blood from the poor chinese workers???
communist regime is bad ... and the only way is to overthrow communist china!!! :oIo: :oIo: :oIo:
 

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they have assault rifles, machine guns, tanks and they are not afraid to use them against their peasants. Therefore they cannot be overthrown, unless a foreign country invade it.
 

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Just few company want to pull out and move back to US base. But there are thousand of company on it plan to shift out of US to Asean/India/Brazil/Mexico and China not so hot anymore due to labor cost increase. Many have move to Vietnam.
 

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I think that's the whole idea to cheapening the US dollar.

Yes, it appears that the whole idea of cheapening the dollar is to get back jobs into America . Plus lower imports of China made goods. And it is working. Now a trickle. Soon a mass migration of companies back to USA.

China has lost heavily in this game . Its reserves lost 30% of its value and the future looks like there is a question mark whether China can hit even 5 % growth rate in 2011.
 

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The PAP's only strategy is to compete at low costs, labour costs specifically and not so rental costs and management costs.
 

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Cheapening of US$ does not give US much advantage for low value add items.

A worker in China can do well on US$300 a month. US$300 a month is not even enough to cover benefits over in the US. As you can see, currency alone is not going to do it.

There will always be some mfg within the US because of timing. The article is correct - from design to mfg to FOB USA needs a 3 month time line. Although China has build a very efficent infra, it still needs 1 month to ship across the Pacific. But it is because of this timing that countries in India cannot compete regardless of labor cost - it has very poor road and rail infrstructure so no point if toys cannot make it in time for Christmas.

Where a corp decides to situate a factory depends on many factors. China will continue to be very attractive because of its infrastructure and ITS MARKET! Makes sense to situate your factories in a place where 30% to 40%of your output is consumed.

Countries like India that wants to follow Chinese growth - through mfg need to upgrade its infrastructure. The current service based economy in India can at most employ 3M people. After all IT/call centers are only interested in well educated pop - not it primary 6 edu daughter of a farmer.
 
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the two companies are showing cashflow concerns... one expanded too fast and the other had MBO, both just before the downturn... in reality, they are just downsizing...

and Oregon lost 20% manufacturing jobs since 1997...
 

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Incidentally, read Businessweek article about Mittal and POSCO's investment in India. Mittal is HQ in Leichenstein (another large Indian owned company where all the $$ is squirelled away overseas)!

The problem they have is water. Much of the region where they want to do the steel mills are agricultre land with NO irrigation. It takes a lot of water to produce steel and farmers are fearful that their water will be diverted to making steel.

Farmers are also hesistant on selling their land because, example given, family of 8 live on output from 1 acre of land. In a way it is a catch 22 situation. Without a stable factory job for the family members, farmers need to cling on to their land for subsistence. And because they do not want to sell industrialsation cannot take place. If 2 or 3 family members were able to get a stable paying job, family would be much better off and the next generation would have better schooling and opportunities.

There is a lot of forced evictions and that in turn cause more to turn to the Naxalite. The whole caste system aggraviates the issues at hand.
 

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Lets have a closer look at the Ill firm - Peerless Industries highlighted by GFK.

It appears that they could make LCD TV mounts in the US and are competitive because they got a $20M low interest loan from stimulus as well as $17M in tax credits etc etc. This company is a poster child for politicians.

So if Gov is willing to throw in so much $$ then it makes sense lah.


Question is after the credits run out then how?

http://www.industryweek.com/article...t_expanding_in_chicago_21221.aspx?SectionID=6


http://www.dupageco.org/emplibrary/EDCAppMins031610.pdf


"Review of application from Peerless Industries, Inc. for $20,000,000 in Private Recovery Zone Facility Bonds."

http://www.icemiller.com/news_detail/id/423/index.aspx

"The stimulus act created many funding opportunities and incentives for public and private entities to work together to allocate resources to Illinois," stated James Snyder, a partner in Ice Miller's municipal finance group. Recent examples include an agreement with Peerless Industries to move 800 new jobs to DuPage County through the use of private activity Recovery Zone Facility Bonds
Apparently they used :

Recovery Zone Facility Bonds are a new type of tax-exempt private activity bond created by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, passed by Congress in February 2009. They may be used to finance certain kinds of business development activities in areas of significant economic distress.



http://www.commerce.wa.gov/site/1077/default.aspx
 

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Americans are soft. Even the factories in US use Mexican and PRC labour.

Despite 10% unemployment, orchard owners can't find fruit pickers at US$12 an hour. Go figure
 
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Question is after the credits run out then how?

since sales has dropped 25% and now stays flat, they can cut off all china production (30% of their total capacity), get the subsidies/funding and set up a smaller plant in US with the promise of more employments later on... in this way, they can also get rid of the excess inventories and parts accumulated over the last two years, turning them into cash...

whether they stay in china or not, they still have overall 33% excess production capacity that needs cutting off, else the overheads could be eating up all their profits, and nobody knows for sure whether the sales will improve soon..

thus, given the subsidies/funding, the needs to downsize and cost-cutting, the possibility of clearing excess inventories/parts, the uncertainty in china production cost..... moving back to USA (at least for the time-being) is a prudent choice..
 

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That is why when I read US mfg can compete with China, especially low tech business I know it is not possible.
 

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That is why when I read US mfg can compete with China, especially low tech business I know it is not possible.

Low tech cannot compete with China and 3rd world country because of cost.
High tech cannot compete with EU especially Germany and Japan.
So US talk too much.
 

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Wages near the coast = 10K yuan
Wages inner parts = 3K yuan.



China's Factories Turn to Yangtze River to Escape Higher Wages
By Wing-Gar Cheng - Oct 19, 2010 9:01 AM PT Tweet (9)LinkedIn Share
Business ExchangeBuzz up!DiggPrint Email . A man looks at a container and bulk loading dock along the Yangtze River in Wanzhou District, Chongqing, China. Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg News

Manufacturers are turning to the Yangtze to move their goods as they take advantage of financial incentives in China’s “Go West” policy for spurring economic development in interior provinces. Photographer: Qilai Shen/Bloomberg
The manufacturing boom spreading through central China echoes through the night on the wharfs of the Yangtze River in Shanghai as workers unload car parts, canned food and building materials.

“There are too many ships and we can hardly secure a place,” said Cui Ming, a local manager for Chongqing JHJ Shipping Co., after a company vessel was unloaded at the Jungong Road Dock. “The business is growing so massively, we sometimes need to get up at midnight and rush to the dock to assist our ships to get a berth.”

China’s manufacturers are moving factories inland to benefit from lower wages than coastal regions and government incentives to spur economic development. That is creating traffic jams on Asia’s longest river, prompting the nation’s biggest container terminal operators, Cosco Pacific Ltd. and China Merchants Holdings International Co., to invest in ports along the 6,300 kilometer-long (3,915 mile-long) Yangtze, which reaches Tibet.

China Merchants affiliate Shanghai International Port Group Co., operator of the world’s busiest harbor, plans to spend 4.79 billion yuan ($720.9 million) building five wharfs to handle containers and vehicles, according to its semi-annual report.

Cosco Pacific

Ningbo Port Co., operator of the second-busiest, raised 7.4 billion yuan in an initial public offering last month and plans to use the proceeds to build coal and container berths.

“There is a grand plan to go west,” said Johnson Leung, an analyst at Tufton Oceanic Far East Ltd. in Hong Kong. “It will be good business for port operators.”

The Yangtze, the third-longest river in the world after the Amazon and Nile, handles 80 percent of China’s river freight. The waterway ferried 1.34 billion tons of cargo in 2009, more than triple the 400 million tons it carried in 2000, according to government data.

Cosco Pacific, controlled by China’s largest shipping group, holds stakes in terminal-operating ventures in Yangtze delta feeder ports, including Yangzhou and Zhangjiagang.

“There’s vast potential to grow the operations at China’s river ports,” said Xu Minjie, vice chairman and managing director of the China Cosco Holdings Co. affiliate.

China Merchants

China Merchants said in July it plans to acquire 20 percent of Chu Kong River Trade Terminal Co., owned by Chu Kong Shipping Development Co., the biggest shipping agent by fleet size in the Pearl River Delta in southern China.

“There are many opportunities that will arise as factories relocate to inland China from the coastal cities,” said Nelson Liu, deputy managing director of Hong Kong-based China Merchants, which owns stakes in ports moving a third of China’s containers.

“We’re putting the infrastructure in place to tap the rising demand.”

Lee & Man Paper Manufacturing Ltd. is spending HK$1.4 billion to build a new plant in Jiangxi province that will start operating in 2012, said Clement Chan, group vice president of the Hong Kong-based containerboard maker.

Companies moving cargo via the nation’s rivers may generate savings of 20-30 percent compared with highways because of lower tolls and tariffs, said Raymond Yu, China Merchants’ executive director.

Seventeen container ships dock up the Yangtze in Wuhan every day, compared with three a decade ago, said Wang Yongwei, general manager of central China for JHJ International Transportation Co., based in Wuhan. When dry-bulk ships and tankers are counted, the number tops 100 from about 30.

‘Go West’ Policy

“In the old days, there wasn’t much cargo to be moved,” Wang said. “Now, with manufacturing moving to central and western China, the river is flourishing with ships.”

Urban fixed asset investment in the west rose 27 percent to 3.4 trillion yuan in the first eight months of this year, according to the National Development and Reform Commission, the top economic planning agency.

About 200,000 enterprises from coastal areas have invested more than 2.2 trillion yuan there in recent years, Premier Wen Jiabao said in October 2009.

The State Council, or cabinet, last month announced incentives including waiving customs duties, pushing financial organizations to provide lines of credit to relocating companies and encouraging foreign banks to open branches in the interior.

43 Billion Yuan

“We have been moving some factories to cheaper regions,” said Cliff Sun, chairman of the Federation of Hong Kong Industries, which has more than 2,000 corporate members. “Manufacturers can’t raise prices too much. The only choice for them is to move to regions where manufacturing costs, wages are cheaper.”

China’s urban per capita disposable income in the first half of this year rose 10.2 percent from a year earlier in nominal terms to 9,757 yuan, the national statistics bureau said July 15.

In rural areas, per capita cash income in the first half rose 12.6 percent from a year earlier in nominal terms to 3,078 yuan, the bureau said.
China will spend 43 billion yuan between now and 2020, compared with 6.2 billion yuan during the past 61 years, to build and upgrade berthing facilities along the Yangtze and to deepen the riverbed, according to the Changjiang River Administration of Navigational Affairs, a unit of the transport ministry.

China wants to expand the amount of waterways able to accommodate vessels weighing more than 500 tons to 19,000 kilometers from 16,000 kilometers last year. River freight may triple to 6 billion tons by 2020, according to the city-backed Shanghai International Shipping Institute.

Cui’s vessel, the Jiangjiyun 1201, will be loaded with aluminum rolls and scrap steel before making a 12-day journey back to Chongqing. The rusting, faded vessel travels non-stop between the city and Shanghai with a crew of 15.

“Ships always need to queue here for loading and uploading these days,” Cui said. “In the past, we didn’t need to queue at all.”
 
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