I saw a severe problem for opposition.

[Perspective]

Interesting debate nevertheless. I like your part on how the rest tried to build a superior character to LKY and failed.

The strategies will be the same, because in my view the people from 1959 are basically the same people with the same thinking albeit adapted for the times. I have already listed what I believe to be the key qualities that the 1959 team will bring to 2009.
1. Intelligence
2. First amongst equals
3. Political machivellian cold blooded ruthelessness.

If they had the "inherent qualities" in your words there will be no way they will use the same strategies, period. They may not be like any existing opposition, but they will not be the 1959 PAP. If they do then they may not work. Or they may. That's my point.

I admit I don't have the answers myself, as said from the start. Hyopthetical.

Thinking differently is not EGO. We are all wired differently with differing experiences and viewpoints.

Get my point first. Thinking differently and different views is not ego but thinking your different thinking and different views automatically leads to absolutely-without-fail-out-goes-PAP is ego.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Perspective

" Like I said, LTK, JBJ, CSJ have all failed, you Lockeliberal could take the plate. For me, my principle is never think that only I can see things that 20 other people can't. That's ego to high heavens. "


Nope can't remember suggesting in any ways that my ideas will automatically lead to the FALL of the PAP. What I remember saying is that if the PAP of 1959 was in opposition because they exhibit certain diabolical political traits they would still win back power albeit in twenty years versus the three in the 1950's. How far will the opposition go if they adopted these traits ? I believe better but thats a far far thing from an automatic gurauntee pom pee pee throw out PAP soloution.

I have pointed out certain failings, of figures past and present in the opposition, that said if as you believe that Improvements etc come with support and the lack of support causes lack of improvement. Then well the ass kissing end logic , is that leadership or whether they do anything right or wrong does not matter because its the will of the people to support which is what matters overall.




Locke

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Perspective

Then it remains to see whether the qualities as I have defined from the PAP class of 59 will lead ultimately to basically the same strategies with modifications for 2009 :_))



Cheers


Locke

 

[Perspective]

"Nope can't remember suggesting in any ways that my ideas will automatically lead to the FALL of the PAP. "

<b>If that is not a <u>clear enough lesson</u> to draw from Singapore's political history</b> then <b>the opposition <u>frankly deserves</u> to remain, small ineffective, insular and half assed comprainning and whining about a lack of support from the people</b> till a splinter faction from the PAP with the correct lessons and DNA in its blood splits away forming a viable effective oppositio

It's ok then. Not too adamant now. Like you say, we'll see.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Perspective

" Viable effective opposition" is a far cry " from automatically out goes without fail the PAP 'thinking". I believe you might have misconstruded in some form that call.




locke

 

[Perspective]

Dear Perspective

" Viable effective opposition" is a far cry " from automatically out goes without fail the PAP 'thinking". I believe you might have misconstruded in some form that call.

locke

Whatever. It was about the attitudes of "my method sure works" vs "this is my opinion".

Add: Viable opposition can be 40 seats, PAP goes out when opposition has 43 seats. Not much difference.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Perspective

Clarifications would have been easier, anyways IMHO a viable effective opposition needs a base of about 10 to fifteen seats, to have the resources and manpower to grow and then effectively challenge the 2/3's majority and then after that to perhaps one day challenge the PAP for control of the country as a whole.

I have never in any form seen a viable effective opposition as one which has forty seats and being just five or three seats away from unseating the PAP. Sad fact of SG electoral politics is that 10 to 15 seats real seats not NCMP seats will provide the PAP with enough headaches and enough resources for the opposition to mount that sustained long term challenge on the PAP edifice.

Take it from me then my critique is based on a view of this is my opinion and never one from an attitude of it sure works :_))



Locke

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Different people will have different views on which oppositoin parties are more effective than others. Some would even suggest that the present "success" that one party could well be the "evidence" that its strategy is the best.

Some parties will take selling their party newspapers and knocking doors as their best strategy because they believe that they have better in past elections by using these two activities as their main strategy. Never mind if their candidates cannot have put up better political speeches and messages.

For Locke, I think you believe in better messages, cunning strategies as well as proper political education program for members as a means to better political strategy. I do believe in this approach as well.

Objectively speaking, SDP has done a bit of proper organization as well as strategic build up which includes political education and cultivation programs. Unfortunately, what they lack is knocking doors strategy and more "happy and humourous" messages. No one likes to vote for an angry man. Even LKY, the most FEARED politician in Singapore has put in humour in his speeches in the past and present.

However, intriguingly, LTK has been termed as "Angry Teochew" in the Chinese newspapers for a long time but he keeps winning for the past decade. Perhaps his "seriosness" has been mistaken to be "Anger" .

Nevertheless, there is one saying, Humour is the most powerful political tool. Mr. Brown's Humour of BAK Chor Mee is one prime example.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[SamuelStalin]

Frankly I think there are very, very few "opposition supporters" on the net in the sense that they care about the opposition growth and wellbeing, rather than hoping or asking from the opposition what they themselves want to see. A lot are anti-govt, anti-PAP or anti-certain/policy/politics but that does not mean they support opposition in the above manner or it would benefit the opposition.

This makes sense.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Unfortunately, what they lack is knocking doors strategy and more "happy and humourous" messages. No one likes to vote for an angry man.

You have heard UncleYap's fiery political speech? It was in the mind of the audience, scary as hell, wasn't it? He really sounded hateful, like he wants to go after some blood right there and then.

Yes, he has a good sense of what fear is it seems, but ironically it has no practical value for him and his supported party in the end?

Perhaps they should just simply forget about this whole damned thing and just go partying everyday instead, that's what parties are for anyway.

 

[Ramseth]

However, intriguingly, LTK has been termed as "Angry Teochew" in the Chinese newspapers for a long time but he keeps winning for the past decade. Perhaps his "seriosness" has been mistaken to be "Anger"

You've been described as the "disgruntled Chengsan voter" too.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Even LKY, the most FEARED politician in Singapore has put in humour in his speeches in the past and present.

He has a keen sense of letters, but he is still not as humorous as Dr. M, though the latter often engages in telling simple kampung jokes which just shows you the intelligence level of his audience. But you'd love to hear him talk anyway. His English is pretty good but he doesn't put on a strong intellectual front.

While LKY looks firm, powerful and influential, Dr. M has a friendly good-looking and easygoing mien together with a nice smile that put people at ease, like the late Eisenhower. Nobody feels threatened in his presence.

Oh and lifeless wax figures excluded who would you feel more comfortable taking a picture with? Who even allows you to do that and even visit his residence whether it is official or not?

 

[SamuelStalin]

Nevertheless, there is one saying, Humour is the most powerful political tool. Mr. Brown's Humour of BAK Chor Mee is one prime example.

Goh Meng Seng

Ah Seng, you must understand that Marine Parade joker got kicked off from the daily for his "Singaporeans Fed, Up With Progress" field report with Vivie telling him off saying "this is not a chatroom".

And did Brown run for elections or got a seat by populist vote? Nope, didn't see any of that happening.

 

[SamuelStalin]

Dear Perspective

Clarifications would have been easier, anyways IMHO a viable effective opposition needs a base of about 10 to fifteen seats, to have the resources and manpower to grow and then effectively challenge the 2/3's majority and then after that to perhaps one day challenge the PAP for control of the country as a whole.

I have never in any form seen a viable effective opposition as one which has forty seats and being just five or three seats away from unseating the PAP. Sad fact of SG electoral politics is that 10 to 15 seats real seats not NCMP seats will provide the PAP with enough headaches and enough resources for the opposition to mount that sustained long term challenge on the PAP edifice.

Take it from me then my critique is based on a view of this is my opinion and never one from an attitude of it sure works :_))



Locke

You don't understand anything obviously. You just talk and judge, but you do not do. Typical ugly, stupid and worthless Sporn fuck.

 

[lockeliberal]

Dear Samuel

Hmmm GMS will vouch that I have judged from experience and history, talked based on my own analysis and done. " Try not Do or DO NOT there is no try "





Locke

 

[SamuelStalin]

except CSJ, LKY and son balls shrinked when confronted with CSJ, because he reminded LKY of his most feared nemesis, David Marshall...gib of the tongue...pssst.

do you find CSJ looked like LCS?

Since you talked like a dog like the literally ugly, stupid and worthless dung that you are WHICH your evidently useless bastard mother conceived then I'd just tell you the truth: Lim Chin Siong looks better, speaks better and is more honorable at least from appearances especially when compared to your Chee Soon Juan.

Your Chee is just a stupid ACS loudhailer who cheats on taxi fares and wants to be a spastic Catherine Lim and likes creating trouble in society for his selfish agendas every now and then, gets fined and jailed and doesn't learn his lesson. Even JBJ is BETTER than him, and JBJ isn't Chinese. And nobody wants to invite much less, hear his spastic boring voice in K Box or any community club karaokes you can be sure of that as well.

Also, low-value rubbish like you with a suggestive defamatory avatar who worship him are potential troublemakers that should be closely monitored.

Christians cannot be trusted especially the Chinese ones when they actually had the gall to engage in a Marxist Conspiracy before during the 80s. Shame on you people really, who are clearly the menaces and nuisances to society and who also unreasonably vent all of their personal failures in life on the PAP and the establishment.

You animals should be tamed by the state party whip. Yes, the party whip should be used on troublemaking liabilities like YOU.

 

[TeeKee]

your kids must be damn proud of your job cursing and swearing at almost everybody who doesn't agree with you? tioh boh?

please continue to do what you do best, intimidating people, and when your child grows up, you definitely see it coming back to you! LOL...

 

[Perspective]

This makes sense.

Thanks. I'm not here to say that ideas are bad because I believe any good idea is a good idea. I think anyone who doesn't believe in correct messages, correct messenger, correct strategies etc. has to be an idiot because it is common sense.

My bottomline is not to be too presumptive in thinking that no one has ever attempted their idea, that their idea is new in Singapore or that they can work their own idea as good as they think, or even better that those who have the same idea which is not apparent to the former.