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HSR and RTS Discussion

FHBH12 said:
"On the RTS link between JB and Woodlands, he said the project is ready to move into the next phase."

Now it is quite firm that the RTS is on track. Likely the next phase refers to ironing out the custom procedures and specifications of the RTS.
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Actually RTS deadline is being delayed by 1 year. They are supposed to announce the option (overhead or underwater) by Nov this yr. Maybe the delay is to bring the RTS in line with Thomson Line opening. Wont be surprised if HSR will only be up and running in 2025, given the increased complexity.
 
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gooddebt said:
On what basis u think the HSR will be built only in 2030 ?
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The fact the Khaw and liew attended the meeting lend weight that it is the spore govt that is serious about getting the RTS and HSR running.
 
Valdez said:
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The fact the Khaw and liew attended the meeting lend weight that it is the spore govt that is serious about getting the RTS and HSR running.
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Yes, SG is serious. Even Tony Tan, who seldom talk, also came out recently to say not to let differences derail the HSR.
 
I think that with the timeline it's likely that the HSR will not be that fast.

Judging from the pace of just getting the option ready is already so much work I think it's probably gonna be 10years from now before we even see any movement.

By that time who knows who is still in charge. Malaysia might have a new PM who might or might not be friendly with Singapore.
Such a long timeline really throw a lot of doubts into the feasibility of the project.

Private enterprise might be the best option for the success of this project. But government involvement is inevitable.
And the history of cooperation between the 2countries does not really inspire confidence.
 
I believe M'sia will want to get the RTS off the ground first. HSR will be second priority. Iskandar is a flagship federal-driven project. The success of Iskandar depends on tapping on S'pore's proximity, and connectivity with S'pore will certainly be an asset.

With S'pore also developing its northern woodlands corridor, the RTS could provide a convenient pipeline of labour supply that will not put a strain on S'pore's housing and public transport as day-tripping foreign workers will only ride the RTS and flock back to JB.
 
Valdez said:
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The fact the Khaw and liew attended the meeting lend weight that it is the spore govt that is serious about getting the RTS and HSR running.
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Khaw was born in Malaysia. Liew kenna dragged along to this meeting, then kenna dragged into Serangoon riot meeting immediately after this meeting.

I'm not too sure what was Khaw doing at e meeting as he holds HDB portfolio. Liew is on transport. Unless they r planning for HDB in Medini n Danga Bay where Malaysians can also buy at subsidised rate.

Just joking. Seriously there is no reason for Khaw to be there. The fact tt e meeting kenna dragged so long w/o dinner reception (guessing from time) could mean deep problems in e planning. And I think it is e HSR judging from e press release.
 
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Jetstream said:
I believe M'sia will want to get the RTS off the ground first. HSR will be second priority. Iskandar is a flagship federal-driven project. The success of Iskandar depends on tapping on S'pore's proximity, and connectivity with S'pore will certainly be an asset.

With S'pore also developing its northern woodlands corridor, the RTS could provide a convenient pipeline of labour supply that will not put a strain on S'pore's housing and public transport as day-tripping foreign workers will only ride the RTS and flock back to JB.
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RTS is a low hanging fruit. HSR may not even flower.
 
FHBH12 said:
Khaw was born in Malaysia. Liew kenna dragged along to this meeting, then kenna dragged into Serangoon riot meeting immediately after this meeting.

I'm not too sure what was Khaw doing at e meeting as he holds HDB portfolio. Liew is on transport. Unless they r planning for HDB in Medini n Danga Bay where Malaysians can also buy at subsidised rate.

Just joking. Seriously there is no reason for Khaw to be there. The fact tt e meeting kenna dragged so long w/o dinner reception (guessing from time) could mean deep problems in e planning. And I think it is e HSR judging from e press release.
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Hello khaw holds the MND portfolio.anything to do with land use need his stamp of approval. For him to get personally involved in this meeting could only mean 2 things...he has given his personal endorsement and want to speed up things or the SGP govt want more time to re examine the feasibility of the RTS & HSR ( meaning sweep under the carpet). Knowing the SGP govt any investment must be 100% in SGP favor or else no go.
 
I think both sides will want to make sure that they are not disadvantaged.

As for Singapore wanting to have only benefit I doubt it. They are generally longer time view. If nothing else Singaporeans are good long term planners.
Malaysian govt is short term and kinda populist.
 
gooddebt said:
dun be too sure. HSR benefits KL where all the big vested interests lie.
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From the reports, it will take another year before the option for RTS is decided. Khaw further said that HSR is a complex project that requires detailed planning, and there are not many examples of cross border HSR in the world, with London-Paris being the standout example.

So it seems that RTS is ahead in terms of planning (after all, both countries paid US$40m in consultancy fees), but it's likely that both projects will be delayed. RTS maybe to 2019-2020 while HSR maybe to 2023-25.
 
RedsYNWA said:
From the reports, it will take another year before the option for RTS is decided. Khaw further said that HSR is a complex project that requires detailed planning, and there are not many examples of cross border HSR in the world, with London-Paris being the standout example.

So it seems that RTS is ahead in terms of planning (after all, both countries paid US$40m in consultancy fees), but it's likely that both projects will be delayed. RTS maybe to 2019-2020 while HSR maybe to 2023-25.
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all are based on guesstimates at best. that is why I said dun be too sure. FYI I am vested in both zones so my comments are not biased, unlike some.
 
gooddebt said:
all are based on guesstimates at best. that is why I said dun be too sure. FYI I am vested in both zones so my comments are not biased, unlike some.
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Yes indeed, based on guesswork. I follow both HSR and RTS closely in other more specialised forums that look at these planning issues in detail. Lots of things to be done (soil investigation, land acquisitions, site location etc). It's not as simple as pressing of a button.

I am quite confident that it is impossible for HSR to run in 2020, and RTS in 2018. That is the general consensus of the more specialised forums as well, as much as I would like these projects to be up and running.
 
RedsYNWA said:
Yes indeed, based on guesswork. I follow both HSR and RTS closely in other more specialised forums that look at these planning issues in detail. Lots of things to be done (soil investigation, land acquisitions, site location etc). It's not as simple as pressing of a button.

I am quite confident that it is impossible for HSR to run in 2020, and RTS in 2018. That is the general consensus of the more specialised forums as well, as much as I would like these projects to be up and running.
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can share some of these forums ? am keen to find out more...
 
gooddebt said:
thanks Reds
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No problem man. Hopefully, RTS and HSR can be started asap. At least, quickly get the soil investigations etc started. In URA draft Masterplan 2013, there's no provision for HSR yet (probably haven't talked to MY authorities, since they just set up the Committee).

For Thomson line Woodlands North station, a v vague 'subject to detailed planning' description surrounds Woodlands North Station area (which suggest the option of overhead or undersea RTS hasn't been settled, as well as a host of other things). Hopefully things can really get going soon.
 
Slow is gd. Mkt takes time to adjust. U don't want prices to be so high to force MY gov to implement draconian measures
 
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