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How Is Owning an HDB Flat an Asset?

for that 99 year lease, i find it a bigger joke when i'm asked to fork out extra money for upgrading.

When the govt started building HDB flats (especially those 4-storey flat with no lifts at all) 25-30yrs ago, didnt they forsee that we will grow old one day? Even lift upgrading (which I think are essential especially for old folks) we are made to foot the bill!! :mad:
 
You do not own a Patek Phillipe. You merely look after it for the next generation".........in HDB's case....."for our leaders"


You merely help to keep this economy alive by paying a high price to keep all the architects and contractors employed !
 
and for your information, if the HDB pigeon hole is truly ours, why do we need a permit from the HDB when i'm renovating it? you mean i need to get a permit to style my hair? there's the difference between owning something and not owning it.

i think this is necessary, scully you or your unlicensed contractor chip away the major building columns, that will cause the integrity of the building structure into question.
 
You are not being rational. How minor is minor? If you somehow drill a big hole into a supporting pillar, who will bear the responsibility if something happens? Imagine every single flat in a HDB block doing their own renovation without requiring a permit. I don't think I will live in a HDB block under such circumstances.

I am no fan of the PAP but there is no point hurling every single thing at them or a government agency in this instance. Renovation permits are required in almost every developed country. No insurance company will accept your housing insurance if all renovation work is allowed unchecked. The only question is what kind of renovation work does not require permits. You are living in a HDB flat, almost every kind of renovation work will have an impact on those living above, below and to the sides of you (at the minimum, there are tons of noise pollution complaints). Thus, it is fair that you ensure that your renovation has been approved by an authority unless you want to subject yourself to unlimited liability for lawsuits, even then, I doubt HDB dwellers will accept such a scenario.

If you feel that you don't own the flat and do not wish to carry out any renovation, that is fine with me. But as long as you decide to perform some renovation work on the flat, then I don't see anything wrong with requiring you to get a permit. Of course, the costs and time for getting the permit is another matter altogether.

I think paint jobs are fine. Renovating the kitchen is fine. As long as the plans submitted to HDB are within limits, and bureaucracy is limited, people should be able to renovate their flats to their personal taste.

The line they shouldn't(typo) cross though is complete structure renovation. You stated clearly as such, and that's why people shouldn't be too selfish. I mean, in a landed property, such as a house, if you wanna remove a pillar, that's fine, since you own the place. But a main pillar that supports a 25 tall storey that has say a thousand families cannot be removed.

I love your post. It says so much about the theme that i am driving at around here

People who hadn't lived here and just read reports online shouldn't prejudge the place in the first place. At least, come down and see it for yourself. If you don't like it after you visit concludes, that's fine. If you like it, then its your choice. But don't judge Fremont, or Toronto even before you seen it. That's why I say, until I judge Canadian and the common American cities for myself by being there, I do not rule out moving there for any further studies or work in the future.

That's why anyone who says Perth is a racist city, should come down for 5 days during the year end, and see it for themselves. At least play fair, guys. See it for yourselves then say something.
 
so when can i install my K-band satellite dish on my HDB balcony?
 
its a guarantee you will have money to migrate one day.
 
Owning a condo is an asset. Owning a landed property is an asset. Owning a shophouse with the family staying upstairs is an asset. Owning a landed property in Perth is an asset.


Well, I don't agree. The above is only true of those are income generating. If you buy a piece of land or a condo and you keep paying for monthly maintanence, is it consider as an assets? Worst if you bought it high and price are lower since.

For HDB, is only an assets if you sell get rental income or buy lower, selle high and live elsewhere!

:D:D
 
for that 99 year lease, i find it a joke when i need to pay property tax when i do not even own that HDB pigeon hole.

for that 99 year lease, i find it a bigger joke when i'm asked to fork out extra money for upgrading.

TV license is another joke, especially when there's free-to-air channels from our neighbors.

and for your information, if the HDB pigeon hole is truly ours, why do we need a permit from the HDB when i'm renovating it? you mean i need to get a permit to style my hair? there's the difference between owning something and not owning it.

Do they even need permit how many rooms that you can rent out?:confused:
 
Relax littlefish, here is where everyone talk cock and sing song.

I am out having fun.

When i renovated my basement i did not get a permit, but the job is done by professional, and pass by the city inspector that is what count, i live oversea, i do not need a permit to rent out my house or room from the city.

I can pave my driveway and patio or redo the whole living room and kitchen do it myself,don't need a permit, i own the land and not on 99 years lease.
 
I can pave my driveway and patio or redo the whole living room and kitchen do it myself,don't need a permit, i own the land and not on 99 years lease.

do you need to pay property tax yearly? how much do you have to pay?
 
Well, I don't agree. The above is only true of those are income generating. If you buy a piece of land or a condo and you keep paying for monthly maintanence, is it consider as an assets? Worst if you bought it high and price are lower since.

For HDB, is only an assets if you sell get rental income or buy lower, selle high and live elsewhere!

:D:D

Maintenance is different. I mean to maintain, its an expense. And you don't do renovation everyday. You just pay the bills, and once every few years, you hire someone to check the pipes and the foundation.

The difference with that compared to mortgages is that if you use your landed property as collateral too many times to get mortgages, effectively you have given it to the bank and you can get foreclosed in periods like this when your paper value of the property drops too low for you to pay off the interest for the mortgage(s).

Besides, when you have a landed property or a condo, they would give you a title deed. This title deed can be transferred to your son or daughter in a will and under the law, it will always belong to you and your wife(or your grandparents) until you transfer the ownership to your son/daughter. The government has no right to demand back your property unless you have sold it off to them. So its wholy different from a 99 year lease HDB flat by the government.

If they want you to be homeless, they can easily re-possess your flat and tell you to F.O. Its that ruthless.
 
It all depend on the size of your property, my property tax is around 3000 cda, but it does goes to paying for my son education, and i can decide where the property tax goes to Public school or Separate School (Catholic School).
 
Besides, when you have a landed property or a condo, they would give you a title deed. This title deed can be transferred to your son or daughter in a will and under the law, it will always belong to you and your wife(or your grandparents) until you transfer the ownership to your son/daughter.

one more thing, if you transfer your HDB title deeds, you have to pay the bloody govt. some monies...quite substantial

if your HDB title deeds goes to your children after you die, they'll still have to take your dead name out by paying a fee. but then you don't have to pay estate duties, no thanks to the old man self interests.

the SGP govt. is really a pain in the neck for interfering in almost every aspect of our peasants life.
 
for that 99 year lease, i find it a joke when i need to pay property tax when i do not even own that HDB pigeon hole.
for that 99 year lease, i find it a bigger joke when i'm asked to fork out extra money for upgrading.
TV license is another joke, especially when there's free-to-air channels from our neighbors.
and for your information, if the HDB pigeon hole is truly ours, why do we need a permit from the HDB when i'm renovating it? you mean i need to get a permit to style my hair? there's the difference between owning something and not owning it.

hdb is like a wig... the pap loan it to you... you cannot wash, dye, comb it until pap says so.. so you are stuck with an expensive wig for 99 years... and when the pap feels like it.. they just "upgrade" the wig to a blonde one and ask you to pay for it...
 
A lot of people will say its a pigeon hole. lease from HDB. I am not disputing any of thes.

However for people who cannot afford private property, what are the alternatives they have? Stay in Kampong huts? The alternative is only left to HDB.

Comparatively with private housing, its much cheaper. As for the status, a 99-year lease with HDB, i feel is no different with a 99-year leasehold private condo. Unless you buy a FH condo. But then a FH condo, is just that Freehold airspace one is buying.

If there is no HDB flats, those who can't afford private housing, what should they do? Any advise?
 
A lot of people will say its a pigeon hole. lease from HDB. I am not disputing any of thes.

However for people who cannot afford private property, what are the alternatives they have? Stay in Kampong huts? The alternative is only left to HDB.

Comparatively with private housing, its much cheaper. As for the status, a 99-year lease with HDB, i feel is no different with a 99-year leasehold private condo. Unless you buy a FH condo. But then a FH condo, is just that Freehold airspace one is buying.

If there is no HDB flats, those who can't afford private housing, what should they do? Any advise?

There's a real solution to this: reduce the inflated prices back to prices where it belongs. Because HDB is the sole supplier, and is not a free market, there should be curbs on the prices.

Therefore its like what the supply of utilities are usually in Australia and in many countries: because government is the sole supplier, hence there's a monopoly and hence there's no free market. Because of this, there's a price quota- a maximum price- that HDB can charge up to that point and nowhere more.

And in cases where one-room flats are needed to house senior citizens who are made homeless, these flats can be made free of charge for these senior citizens to stay in. They don't even have to pay rent for that. The only catch is that they have to apply but even so, if they apply, then automatically someone who is proficient in their mother tongue/dialect would be attached to them to help them fill up the forms.

In addition, the current HDB situation has curbed social mobility. This means that people have not been able to move up easily the social ladder as much as their foreign counterparts; instead they have been moving down the social ladder more easily because of many other reasons. Thus it has to be stopped.

Also, because of the excess influx of foreigners, whom some aren't as talented as the govt has advertised, HDB quotas on foreigners must either be marked up or maintain at high levels. Also, the overall intake of foreigners must be under a quota system too, to ensure that the labour market remains flexible, and to better give a firm foundation where locals can fight with foreigners in a more equal footing for jobs that are available.

Finally, there must be common sense regulation on HDB, as with all monopolies such as SMRT, SBS, and Singapore Power- to prevent abuse of power due to their monopoly powers. In many countries where the government has had to create government-linked companies or stat boards to supply these services, there are regulations and independent boards created to enforce this ruling. In addition the Judiciary is there for people as an avenue to keep these companies or stat board in check of any abuse of power in the law or on the commuters and customers.

Of course, to add a final important point: those who are appointed to the HDB must have some form of experience in housing, and have had a good resume in this area. This means there should be less political appointees. What we need is civil servants who are bipartisan and are gonna put their country first, and not their political parties and their self-interests first.
 
There's a real solution to this: reduce the inflated prices back to prices where it belongs. Because HDB is the sole supplier, and is not a free market, there should be curbs on the prices.

There is going to be huge repercussions if prices are going to be reduced to those like subsidised by govt or even anywhere near that.

Who would want to stay in serangoon if toa payoh hdb flats are going to be the same price?

Depreciation of houses due to lease and due to condition, wear and tear, etc.
Rental will drop heavily for flats. Everyone would not spend much on HDB flat, buy 1 and then keep the money to buy a 2nd home in the form of private property. A lot of people will start using the extra cash to buy private condos, propping up demand to such a state where its going to be a huge bubble.
When you have it, they want it too. What happens next would be the gulf in pricing between the private market and HDB. The rich would be even more rich as private market increase few folds while the poor and the middle class would widen further.

Never compare pricing with Australia or other countries with big lands and geography. Because to start of with, Singapore is only that small compared with them. We wouldn't have this problem to start of with if Singapore was even half as big as Malaysia.
 
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