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Household income only $29k, expats suffering too

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US couple learn to find ways to adjust to life here

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Earlier this month, Singapore was for the third year in a row ranked the most expensive city in the world for expats. While many say that with budgeting, living here is quite affordable, some have found that trying to emulate their life back home can get costly.

When corporate pilot Cyril Letzelter gets the chance to fly to the United States every three months, he stocks up on clothes for himself, his wife and his two children.

"Children's clothing at a Walmart in the US can cost US$3 (S$4.10) a piece but in Singapore, it's at least US$15," said the 48-year-old American, who is not surprised that Singapore has been found the most expensive city in the world for expatriates. He moved here in November 2013 with his wife Jennifer, a 35-year-old engineer.

They have two young daughters who are three months and 23 months old. Their maid is paid $1,000 a month.

Said Mr Letzelter: "We're adventurous people and we were looking for a place to raise kids that could provide them with a unique culture.

"The pay was good and the math worked out well."

The couple earn about $29,000 together, but even then, it meant making adjustments to their lifestyle.

Mr Letzelter's previous house near Denver, Colorado was 610 sq m, while his wife had a house near Boston that was about half of that size. Now, their apartment in Thomson is about 150 sq m.

Mr Letzelter said: "Housing is crazy expensive here. We're paying $4,400 in rent.

"For that amount, we can get two cars and a very big house in the US."

They have also chosen not to buy a car despite owning two in the US.

Having bought their cars at about US$20,000 each there, they baulk at having to pay at least $80,000 here. But they like the relatively cheap public transport here.

Mrs Letzelter said: "Taxis are very cheap and public transportation is amazing. In other countries, we would have to have a car, but here, we have no problems."

While they can adjust to a smaller home and public transport, getting used to local food has been a lot harder, so they pay extra for imported foodstuffs.

At $2,400 a month, their grocery bill here is triple what they usually spend in the US.

Mrs Letzelter said: "Grocery shopping is shockingly expensive. We try to shop at FairPrice because it's cheaper, but oftentimes we pay a lot of extra money to get products that make us comfortable."

While the family had initially planned to live here for a decade, they have recently started to contemplate a move back to the US.

Mr Letzelter has noticed a significant attempt by the Singapore Government and firms to hire more locals rather than expats since 2014.

"Far fewer expats are getting expat contracts, with many getting only local contracts, and the salaries are not as high," he said.

His wife was only able to find work as an engineer on a local contract. She said she felt compelled to work as the high cost of living here meant that the couple could not meet their financial goals - saving for retirement and their children's college funds - just on Mr Letzelter's salary alone.

The couple said other American expats are thinking of moving out or have already done so.

Mrs Letzelter, a member of the American Women's Association of Singapore, said the association used to have significantly more members. The improving US economy and a strengthening US dollar also make it tougher to stay here.

When Mr Letzelter first joined his company here in 2013, he was getting paid about 40 per cent more than he was in the US. But this has since narrowed to 20 per cent.

He said: "We really do like it here, but if the math doesn't work out, we'll go back earlier," he said.



THE LETZELTERS' AVERAGE MONTHLY EXPENSES

RENT: $4,400

GROCERIES: $2,400

PUBLIC TRANSPORT AND TAXIS: $800

EATING OUT: $500

EDUCATION: $1,000

HELPER: $1,000

UTILITIES: $350

ENTERTAINMENT: $200

TOTAL: $10,650 (all in Singapore dollars)

*Also spends $15,000 a year for travel back to the US
 

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Expats go local to get the most out of Singapore

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The cost of high-end housing, private schools and cars may be sky high in Singapore, but for many expatriates, going "local" makes living here quite affordable.

And that means eating at hawker centres, buying groceries from wet markets and eschewing private transport for trains and buses.

This is what many of them told The Sunday Times when asked about Singapore's thrice-awarded title of being the most expensive city in the world for expatriates.

The Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU), the research and analysis division of British media firm The Economist Group, produces the worldwide cost of living survey to help firms come up with compensation packages and allowances for expatriates and business travellers.

It takes into account more than 400 individual prices across 160 products and services in calculating its cost of living index.

Singapore has placed top since 2014, and was ranked first again in the latest report earlier this month, ahead of Zurich and Hong Kong, which shared second place, with Geneva coming in third.

The Singapore Government responded to this with a detailed post on its gov.sg website to explain why the country was top of the chart.

A key reason was the Singapore dollar's strong appreciation against the United States dollar in the last decade, and the type of upmarket goods that the survey takes into account, such as filet mignon and international newspapers.

It also reported that the prices quoted by the EIU for many products and services were far more than what Singaporeans typically pay.

Expats whom The Sunday Times spoke to said the cost of living depends on the lifestyle they choose.

Italian Joe Galeotti, a 48-year-old hairstylist, added: "You can either have a meal for less than $10 at the foodcourt or $200 at a restaurant... I choose the former as it makes more sense to me to eat Asian food when I'm in an Asian country."

Many said they have fallen in love with Singapore's public transport.

Said Mr Paul Burton, a 41-year-old director at IHS, a firm that provides defence analytics: "We now spend less in a month on train tickets in Singapore than in a week back in London."

For psychology lecturer Aoife McLouglin, 30, getting around by taxis is also relatively affordable. She said: "It is easily a third of the price compared to my country, Ireland."

Dutch expatriate Emile Leus, 43, simply takes advantage of the weather here. The owner of TVworkshop Asia, an events company, said: "I cycle everywhere I go and it's great."

The EIU has named Singapore the most expensive place in the world to get a car because of its certificate of entitlement system and, for some expats used to driving, this takes some getting used to.

Said Dutchman Charlie van Eeden: "I used to drive a BMW but it's just too expensive here. Now, I'm paying $1,400 for a rental Hyundai. For the same price, I could probably rent a BMW 5 Series in Amsterdam."

If not for his two young children, aged three and five, the 39-year-old head of Asia at a creative agency added that he would rely on public transport or cabs to get around instead.

Rental rates here also require adjusting expectations.

Instead of paying $6,000 a month to rent a new condominium unit in Novena, Mr Galeotti chose to live in a nearby 10-year-old condominium instead, paying almost half the price in rent. He said: "I don't mind that it is an old condominium. It still has great facilities."

Experts caution against reading too much into the EIU survey.

Dr Yvonne McNulty, who specialises in expatriation and global mobility research, said it is aimed at a niche group of highly paid foreigners on "expatriate" contracts, which tend to offer housing and car allowances, and that these expats hope to replicate how they live back home here.

The associate lecturer at RMIT University Singapore and founder of Expat Research added: "The survey does not consider 'localised' expats, who are here on local terms, even though we're seeing more of them now."

Private school fees remain a bugbear. Frenchman Eric Balanca, 50, is here on a local contract with his wife, 18-year-old son and toddler.

His son studies at the French School of Singapore, costing him about $25,000 annually. "It's definitely a high price because in France, education is free.

"There are local schools, but it's difficult to get in and I would prefer my son to attend the French school," he said.

Expatriates also find ways to get around the high costs of certain goods in Singapore.

"Baby items are much cheaper in the UK because they are discounted, so we used to ship prams, baby chairs and other baby items from there," said Mr David Brotherton, a 39-year-old lawyer from Britain.

Despite earning the title of costliest city for the third year running, all the expatriates whom The Sunday Times spoke to said that they would definitely recommend Singapore as a place to live and work.

Said Mr Balanca: "The people are great and I like the vibrant economic environment... My advice is to take care of your income by budgeting."
 

bigboss

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This chao ang moh wanted to live like millionaire, surely $29K pay check not enough. Where got pay maid $1K? The maid surely laughing in her sleep every night.

Pappies Minister already said even sinkies earning $1K monthly could buy HDB flat, yet chao ang moh could not survive on $29K. If you wanted to live like a king, go back home. If you want to live like struggling sinkie, life is comfortable on paycheck of $29K.
 

bigboss

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How come PAP Press didn't run stories on the Ah Nehs here? They also expat
mah.

Unless every ah neh is like the DBS CEO, who can eat real abalone every day, all ah nehs in sinkie land can easily survive by eating curry with rice daily. Where is there to complain?
 

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I don't understand why so many of my acquaintances and friends are mocking the good white expat family with a household monthly income of $29k. I know their struggles because at one point, my own family struggled. My wife and I were earning only a combined monthly income of $20k some years ago, down from $32k, and we had to tighten our belts and cut our spending. It meant eating more luncheon meat instead of expensive hams, and drinking cheap Arbot merlots instead of martinis.
 

McDonaldsKid

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I don't understand why so many of my acquaintances and friends are mocking the good white expat family with a household monthly income of $29k. I know their struggles because at one point, my own family struggled. My wife and I were earning only a combined monthly income of $20k some years ago, down from $32k, and we had to tighten our belts and cut our spending. It meant eating more luncheon meat instead of expensive hams, and drinking cheap Arbot merlots instead of martinis.

Well boo hoo hoo.
 

mojito

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Some sinkie household income 29k a year also no problem. Good white couple must learn the asian virtue of thrift while he is here.
 

johnny333

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Some sinkie household income 29k a year also no problem. Good white couple must learn the asian virtue of thrift while he is here.


What can the poor do in Spore but tighten their belts?

Those lucky enough to have the skills/oppurtinity/resilience emigrate to the 1st world. Over there you have things we do not have here e.g. minimum pay, worker rights, quality of life, ...
 

eErotica69

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I don't understand why so many of my acquaintances and friends are mocking the good white expat family with a household monthly income of $29k. I know their struggles because at one point, my own family struggled. My wife and I were earning only a combined monthly income of $20k some years ago, down from $32k, and we had to tighten our belts and cut our spending. It meant eating more luncheon meat instead of expensive hams, and drinking cheap Arbot merlots instead of martinis.

You never eat economic bee hoon?
 

winnipegjets

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I don't understand why so many of my acquaintances and friends are mocking the good white expat family with a household monthly income of $29k. I know their struggles because at one point, my own family struggled. My wife and I were earning only a combined monthly income of $20k some years ago, down from $32k, and we had to tighten our belts and cut our spending. It meant eating more luncheon meat instead of expensive hams, and drinking cheap Arbot merlots instead of martinis.

Wow lau ...down $10k per month, you have to eat luncheon meat. What kind of luncheon meat you eat? Pigs fed with truffles?
 

frenchbriefs

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u expect us to believe that these guys earn 29k a month and they buy their clothing from walmart or kmart?even marks and spencers would be considered low class for them,and im not even talking about marks and spencers in sg,im talking marks and spencers in australia where they sell jumpers for $240 for upper middle class white boys from posh grammar schools.u have to be so white and english to pull off the harry potter look.

they spend $2400 a month on groceries???????and they shop at NTUC to save money??????

[video=youtube;JUdOVqaNCVA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUdOVqaNCVA[/video]
 
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winnipegjets

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No fish, prawn also can. No luncheon meat, lup cheong also can. :biggrin:

Prawn more expensive than fish, likewise lup cheong cost more than Mei Ling meat. Down $10k, John Tan, PAP sycophant and pedophile, can eat better. PAP logic always defy common sense.
 

bushtucker

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$2400 on groceries? must be buying a lot of gourmet food and wines, and shopping at jason's or marketplace or cold storage.
 
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