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HDB resale flat price up: must thx Govt!

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</NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate noWrap align=right width="30%">9:42 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT noWrap align=right width="1%" height=20>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname noWrap width="68%">ALL <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(1 of 3) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%" rowSpan=4></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>4699.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>Private home prices down 5.7% in Q4, HDB resale flat prices still up
By Desmond Wong, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 02 January 2009 1436 hrs
SINGAPORE: Prices of private, non-landed residential properties in Singapore fell 5.7 per cent in the last quarter of 2008.

The quarter-on-quarter drop in private home prices is more than double the 2.4 per cent decrease in the July-September quarter.

Experts said the steep fall is fuelled by deteriorating sentiment. Market players are also matching prices to falling valuations.

Nicholas Mak, consultancy and research, Knight Frank, said: "The individual sellers are being more realistic in their offer price, though there are some segments of sellers who are still resisting, or still hoping to sell at break-even (prices) or at a profit."

In contrast to the decline in private home prices, new HDB data on Friday showed HDB resale flats continued to buck the trend, climbing 1.5 per cent in the fourth quarter - following a 4.2 per cent increase in the third quarter.

Experts said this resistance to downward pressure in the HDB resale market is expected to continue despite the economic downturn.

Eugene Lim, associate director, ERA Asia Pacific, said: "Buyers are coming from people who are upgrading (and) people who are downgrading... also, from the increase in the population of PRs (permanent residents). So the (demand for) HDB resale flats is very strong."

Observers said they expect flat or slow declines for public housing prices compared to steeper devaluations in the private home sector. They added this is the trend during times of uncertainty when home buyers opt for the safer option of HDB flats.

Knight Frank estimated that by the end of 2009, private home prices could come down as much as 20 per cent, while HDB flat prices could decline by 5 to 10 per cent.

In a statement released on Friday, the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) also reported price changes in three geographical regions for the fourth quarter.

Non-landed private residential property came down by 6.3 per cent in the Core Central Region, while it dipped 5.5 per cent in the rest of the Central area. In areas outside the Central Region, prices slid by about 4.7 per cent.
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xebay11

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"Observers said they expect flat or slow declines for public housing prices compared to steeper devaluations in the private home sector."

Devaluations in private home sector? OMG how come my private property tax just increased, WTF? Or is this another "increase in private property tax, not directly linked to private property prices" case.
 

myo539

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When HDB flats price is low, some people not happy; when HDB flats price is high, some people also not happy. When private homes are low, somepeople not happy; when private homes are high, some people also not happy.

If the gahment were to give people free HDB flats, I don't think some people will be happy either. So best is to ignore their KPKBs!
 

Hope

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When HDB flats price is low, some people not happy; when HDB flats price is high, some people also not happy. When private homes are low, somepeople not happy; when private homes are high, some people also not happy.

If the gahment were to give people free HDB flats, I don't think some people will be happy either. So best is to ignore their KPKBs!
Hi Silly,you are dead wrong again.

What most government do is not to interfece with market,it is called market economy,understooded for you?
 

1sickpuppy

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Hi Silly,you are dead wrong again.

What most government do is not to interfece with market,it is called market economy,understooded for you?

Err...... I am not saying that the SG govt is doing the right thing but if they were to leave the property market open and hands off approach SG property market might end up like HK's property market of the 80s and 90s or the present US property market. I am sure you don't want that to happen do you?
 

Hope

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Err...... I am not saying that the SG govt is doing the right thing but if they were to leave the property market open and hands off approach SG property market might end up like HK's property market of the 80s and 90s or the present US property market. I am sure you don't want that to happen do you?
If fr the start,PAP does not interfece with the market,then probably there wouldnt be a bubble of such extent,remember,the highest bubble in the land of the rich is probably US$100,000 per house,that is S$145,000.00,chicken feed in the eyes of rich PAP who are talking about 5 million for condos and S$700,000 for 5 room piegon hole.

This is highly academic,what I am saying is that PAP has very wrong economic policy,if you wish,we can open another thred to discuss.Cheers
 

chinkangkor

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It seems to me that HDB flats' prices have ballooned so much that the prices are a result of supplies not moving up quick enough to match the demand from the sudden influx of PRs, and the sky high HDB flats' prices are not well supported by our wage levels.

In short, the asset bubbles built up in the HDB sector is due largely to poor planning by Mah Bow Tan.
 

zhihau

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Hi Silly,you are dead wrong again.

What most government do is not to interfece with market,it is called market economy,understooded for you?

i need help. HDB, CPF, GLCs, GICs, MNCs... can help me link them up? :wink:
 

zhihau

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Err...... I am not saying that the SG govt is doing the right thing but if they were to leave the property market open and hands off approach SG property market might end up like HK's property market of the 80s and 90s or the present US property market. I am sure you don't want that to happen do you?

honestly, HDB was set out to create cheap and affordable housing for the Citizens of this Republic, then i wondered what happened along the way...
:confused::eek::confused::eek::confused::eek:
 
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What most government do is not to interfece with market,it is called market economy,understooded for you?

Alan Greenspan used to work that way for last 40 years.

But he changed his mind 2 months ago.
 

Hope

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Alan Greenspan used to work that way for last 40 years.

But he changed his mind 2 months ago.
No,great man Greenspan is just a big BS who did not do his job,he was a regulator,remember.

Even Greenspan, The Oracle, was forced to admit that he was wrong-

Alan Greenspan was just trying to cover up his mistakes and incompetence over the years as boss of FED,it is all rubbish when he claimed that human nature failed him,did he not know that humnan being are born sinners?It was him he gave a free rein to the Wall Street bankers and engineered the biggest credit creation during his tenure as chief of Fed.
 
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No,great man Greenspan is just a big BS who did not do his job,he was a regulator,remember.

Even Greenspan, The Oracle, was forced to admit that he was wrong-

Alan Greenspan was just trying to cover up his mistakes and incompetence over the years as boss of FED,it is all rubbish when he claimed that human nature failed him,did he not know that humnan being are born sinners?It was him he gave a free rein to the Wall Street bankers and engineered the biggest credit creation during his tenure as chief of Fed.


And your point is AG made a mistake for not properly regulating the market. :confused:
 

Hope

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And your point is AG made a mistake for not properly regulating the market. :confused:
Ya,right,that was what he claimed,the greedy bankers cheated me,he said,alamah,he claimed that he thought bankers shouldnt be so greedy like tat.

Like tat har?Chairman of Fed???

CHeers
 

_AXL_

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what's wrong with letting the market forces decide??? the pigeon holes prices r too ridiculous now!!! yet, they prop it up with fictitious demand and unrealistic valuations... the young couples and the poor can no longer afford them!!! doesnt that defeat the original purpose of HDB???
 

Hope

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But do you think he should have regulated?
Of course,the trouble with AG was that he bailed out the banks every time w/o cost to the bankers,that is a guarantee for distator.

Do note that the new chairman is now in a difficult position,he wanted the bankers to pay a heavy price for their recklessness and mistake,so LehMan Bro which was worshipped by even MM Lee in his speech as one top bank which attracet the best talent,and if he did not pay them 5 times his salary,ie,more than S$10 million per year,they would go join LM Bro,Goldman ,etc,was allowed to close shop.

But when all other banks also facing the same problem,what could he do,let the whole USA and the whole collapse?It is not possible.

The source of all these troubles,one manthe great AG.

Likewise in Spore,we have a greta man,sure he would enjoy till he leaves this world,but,but whoever pick up the shits he leaves behind,hard luck.

May be I am wrong,hope so,then I would be beri happy to be wrong.
 

Hope

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But do you think he should have regulated?
The problem with Singapore is that the top production factor,land is under the control of PAP government which is the biggest,single land owner in Spore,which makes max use of it to enrich the treasury.

An example is HDB,which buy land fr SLA(Spore Land Authority)that explains why PAP can look into yr eyes and declare that HDB is losing money building for you,but they do not tell you how many billions HDB paid to SLA to buy over the land.

Not only that,PAP being a rich government,see it fit to open up the residential sector for foreigners to buy,this increase the demand side but make it very expensive for biz to operate here,one of the main reasons why service is so high is due to high renatl charged by the land lords.


One more example is that PAP,being the biggest land owner in Spore,does not practise true market principle.

What I would mention is the reserve price set in land tender,they maintain the reserve price and withdraw the said land under tender process when bid prices fall below reserved price.

In this way,the government artificial jack up the land price as it is not a commercial enterprise and never have any urgent need to sell off the land to raise money.

The ceiling is thus under control of PAP government with the overall result that high rental is a killer for biz in Singapore.
 

1sickpuppy

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honestly, HDB was set out to create cheap and affordable housing for the Citizens of this Republic, then i wondered what happened along the way...
:confused::eek::confused::eek::confused::eek:

Some ass holes became smart and figure the singaporeans are rich and can afford housing without HDB help but still want to buy HDB peigion holes?
 
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