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George Yeo versus Chee Soon Juan? Thought that was in 1995-96 when SDP had 3 MPs in Parliament, and the contest ended up in a comedy of typo errors amidst the tragedy of health care costs skyrocketing. Nothing personal, with due respect to both sides, just recalling history, misty water-colour memory.
<style></style>My hats off to Chee for this unusual interaction with a PAP minister---Unwittingly PAP allowed Chee to catch them off guard...First it was Harry Lee in a court room.And we saw a Harry Lee mumbling & bumbling.Now we all know it does not take a Queen's counsel to put Harry Lee in his place...Now we have a Georgie boy trapped in Chee's net...The strategy is quite simple.All Chee has do do is riddle Georgie with questions.Georgie boy cannot repeat his mantra that it has already been discussed in the parliament again and again.....You see,Chee had lost everything.George is holding high moral ground which comes with his office......George made a big mistake by putting himself on te FB to interact with the public...when public questions he is obliged to answer.George had painted himself into a corner.
The gist of the matter is this.Obama like other seasoned politicians had sort of gone through the baptism by fire...So there is a natural selection process to weed out the boys from men in politics...PAP ministers & MP(s) are nothing but novices who cannot hold their own in politics..They are simply placed in their position at Leegime's grace..Nothing more and nothing less...Not to mention the protection afforded by our state controlled medias..
Alone these PAP politicians becomes nakedly unarmed and are a game for any sundry.
Dear Scroobal
That man still has not decided or come to terms with what he wants to be, a politician or an activist. He draws to him dedicated passionate supporters, the disenchanted, disillusioned and those who feel disenfranchised or not appreciated in some form by society. The reply from some of his most ardent supporters or those close to him go something like this..difficult question.......but he goes to jail for his believes how many politicians in SG go to jail ? difficult question, but he was bankrupted persecuted by the PAP how can what he does be wrong, the PAP does it to him because he is a threat because he could be PM one day,
He gives them a voice, a raison de etre , hope and a cause. Powerful right ? Us against them, Us against the establishment, Us against society . we the unheard, unappreciated and unloved.
For him for these supporters as long as he continues to stand up against the PAP, however idiotic the manner , however stupid or insane the question, however little the electoral results he reaps from all these efforts, he will do no wrong , can't do no wrong because they have constructed for themselves a perfectly circular argument. The SDP does not do well because the PAP controls the media and the state organs, hence the problem lies not with the SDP politicians but the political system, thus we need a perfect or near perfect political system for the SDP to flourish and thrive.
La Mei has improved, she used to complain about policemen and municipal town council issues thought that was the height of civil activism. Dr Chee has to decide whether he wants to preach to the converted or preach to the unsaved.
Locke
That man still has not decided or come to terms with what he wants to be, a politician or an activist. He draws to him dedicated passionate supporters, the disenchanted, disillusioned and those who feel disenfranchised or not appreciated in some form by society. The reply from some of his most ardent supporters or those close to him go something like this..difficult question.......but he goes to jail for his believes how many politicians in SG go to jail ? difficult question, but he was bankrupted persecuted by the PAP how can what he does be wrong, the PAP does it to him because he is a threat because he could be PM one day,
He gives them a voice, a raison de etre , hope and a cause. Powerful right ? Us against them, Us against the establishment, Us against society . we the unheard, unappreciated and unloved.
For him for these supporters as long as he continues to stand up against the PAP, however idiotic the manner , however stupid or insane the question, however little the electoral results he reaps from all these efforts, he will do no wrong , can't do no wrong because they have constructed for themselves a perfectly circular argument. The SDP does not do well because the PAP controls the media and the state organs, hence the problem lies not with the SDP politicians but the political system, thus we need a perfect or near perfect political system for the SDP to flourish and thrive.
La Mei has improved, she used to complain about policemen and municipal town council issues thought that was the height of civil activism. Dr Chee has to decide whether he wants to preach to the converted or preach to the unsaved.
Locke
Nice summary bro.
I was actually shocked that he went to FB to do this. I wonder what drives him or how his thought process works in selecting or taking an approach.
Interestingly he does not engage people online himself.
I was actually shocked that he went to FB to do this. I wonder what drives him or how his thought process works in selecting or taking an approach.
Interestingly he does not engage people online himself.
<style></style>Precisely,we have a simple term for this.Its called put your money where your mouth is.Chee does that marvalously.This is where Georgie boy fails miserably.--he is unwilling to come clean and hides behind a curtain of silence.George stand is untenable.Why? ..Because even in a court of law silence can be construed as an admission of guilt.That's why....This is where I see the differences--between a man with conviction and a paid mercenary.
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Now that you mentioned it, this is very true. Recall some comments on their website that they were unable to get answers for CEC information.
<style></style>Oh,the answer is quite simple.But first please read this article ,'Why do malaysians March?"-- By Yeo Yang Poh ..
http://www.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=34054
Than just replace the word 'Malaysia ' to 'Singapore' and 'March' to 'question PAP.'...For example:-----Because persons in the corridors of power, persons who have amassed tremendous wealth and live in mansions, and persons who are in the position to right wrongs but won’t, continue to rule our nation with suffocating might. And they certainly would not march(question PAP). They would prevent others from marching.(questioning PAP)
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I will end with the following lines from one of the songs sung in the 1960s by civil rights marchers in the US, without whom Obama would not be able to even sit with the whites in a bus, let alone reside in the White House:
“It isn’t nice to block the doorway
It isn’t nice to go to jail
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways have all failed
It isn’t nice; it isn’t nice
You’ve told us once, you’ve told us twice
But if that’s freedom’s price
We don’t mind ...”
Why do Malaysians march?
By: Yeo Yang Poh (Sun, 02 Aug 2009)
<table style="color: black;" align="right" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td>
On the move ... a section of anti-ISA protesters near
the National Mosque in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday.
</td></tr></tbody></table>WHY march, when the government has said that it will review the Internal Security Act? Why march, when there are other very cosy ways of giving your views and feedback?
One would understand if these were questions posed by nine-year-olds. But they are not. They are questions posed by the prime minister of this nation we call our home. Answer we must. So, why?
Because thousands who died while in detention cannot march or speak any more. That is why others have to do it for them.
Because persons in the corridors of power, persons who have amassed tremendous wealth and live in mansions, and persons who are in the position to right wrongs but won’t, continue to rule our nation with suffocating might. And they certainly would not march. They would prevent others from marching.
Because the have-nots, the sidelined, the oppressed, the discriminated and the persecuted have no effective line to the powerful.
Because the nice ways have been tried ad nauseam for decades, but have fallen on deaf ears.
Because none of the major recommendations of Suhakam (including on peaceful assembly), or of the commissions of inquiry, has been implemented. Because the proposed Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC) is not in sight, while corruption and insecurity live in every neighbourhood; and (despite reasoned views expressed ever so nicely in opposition) Rela (people’s volunteer corps) is being brought in to make matters even worse.
The proponents in “Su Qiu” (remember them?) were not marchers. In fact it is hard to find nicer ways than “su qiu”, because the term means “present and request” or “inform and request”. In terms of putting forward a view or a request, it is the height of politeness. Yet they were labelled “extremists” – they who did not march.
And now you ask, why march?
Because you gave non-marchers a false name! You called them the “silent majority”, who by virtue of their silence (so you proudly argued with twisted logic) were supporters of government policies since they were not vocal in raising objections. You claimed to be protecting the interest of the “silent majority”. Now some of them do not want to be silent anymore, and you are asking why?
Yes, because double standards and hypocrisy cannot be covered up or explained away forever; and incompetence cannot be indefinitely propped up by depleting resources.
Because cronyism can only take care of a few people, and the rest will eventually wake up to realise the repeated lies that things were done in certain ways purportedly “for their benefit”.
Because the race card, cleverly played for such a long time, is beginning to be seen for what it really is – a despicable tool to divide the rakyat for easier political manipulation.
Because it does not take much to figure out that there is no good reason why Malaysia, a country with abundant human resources and rich natural resources, does not have a standard of living many times higher than that of Singapore, an island state with no natural resources and that has to import human resources from Malaysia and elsewhere.
Because, in general, countries that do not persecute marchers are prosperous or are improving from their previous state of affairs, and those that do are declining.
Because Gandhi marched, Mandela marched, Martin Luther King marched, and Tunku Abdul Rahman marched.
Because more and more people realise that peaceful assemblies are no threat at all to the security of the nation, although they are a threat to the security of tenure of the ruling elite.
Because politicians do not mean it when they say with a straight face or a smile that they are the servants and that the people are the masters. No servant would treat his master with tear gas, batons and handcuffs.
Because if the marchers in history had been stopped in their tracks, places like India, Malaysia and many others would still be colonies today, apartheid would still be thriving in South Africa, Nelson Mandela would still be scribbling on the walls of Cell 5, and Obama would probably be a slave somewhere in Mississippi plotting to make his next midnight dash for the river.
And because liberty, freedom and dignity are not free vouchers posted out to each household.
They do not come to those who just sit and wait. They have to be fought for, and gained.
And if you still want to ask: why march; I can go on and on until the last tree is felled. But I shall
obviously not.
I will end with the following lines from one of the songs sung in the 1960s by civil rights marchers in the US, without whom Obama would not be able to even sit with the whites in a bus, let alone reside in the White House:
“It isn’t nice to block the doorway
It isn’t nice to go to jail
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways have all failed
It isn’t nice; it isn’t nice
You’ve told us once, you’ve told us twice
But if that’s freedom’s price
We don’t mind ...”
Yeo Yang Poh is a former Bar Council president. Comments: [email protected].
“It isn’t nice to block the doorway
It isn’t nice to go to jail
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways have all failed
It isn’t nice; it isn’t nice
You’ve told us once, you’ve told us twice
But if that’s freedom’s price
We don’t mind ...”
Why do Malaysians march?
By: Yeo Yang Poh (Sun, 02 Aug 2009)
<table style="color: black;" align="right" border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td>
On the move ... a section of anti-ISA protesters near
the National Mosque in Kuala Lumpur on Saturday.
</td></tr></tbody></table>WHY march, when the government has said that it will review the Internal Security Act? Why march, when there are other very cosy ways of giving your views and feedback?
One would understand if these were questions posed by nine-year-olds. But they are not. They are questions posed by the prime minister of this nation we call our home. Answer we must. So, why?
Because thousands who died while in detention cannot march or speak any more. That is why others have to do it for them.
Because persons in the corridors of power, persons who have amassed tremendous wealth and live in mansions, and persons who are in the position to right wrongs but won’t, continue to rule our nation with suffocating might. And they certainly would not march. They would prevent others from marching.
Because the have-nots, the sidelined, the oppressed, the discriminated and the persecuted have no effective line to the powerful.
Because the nice ways have been tried ad nauseam for decades, but have fallen on deaf ears.
Because none of the major recommendations of Suhakam (including on peaceful assembly), or of the commissions of inquiry, has been implemented. Because the proposed Independent Police Complaints and Misconduct Commission (IPCMC) is not in sight, while corruption and insecurity live in every neighbourhood; and (despite reasoned views expressed ever so nicely in opposition) Rela (people’s volunteer corps) is being brought in to make matters even worse.
The proponents in “Su Qiu” (remember them?) were not marchers. In fact it is hard to find nicer ways than “su qiu”, because the term means “present and request” or “inform and request”. In terms of putting forward a view or a request, it is the height of politeness. Yet they were labelled “extremists” – they who did not march.
And now you ask, why march?
Because you gave non-marchers a false name! You called them the “silent majority”, who by virtue of their silence (so you proudly argued with twisted logic) were supporters of government policies since they were not vocal in raising objections. You claimed to be protecting the interest of the “silent majority”. Now some of them do not want to be silent anymore, and you are asking why?
Yes, because double standards and hypocrisy cannot be covered up or explained away forever; and incompetence cannot be indefinitely propped up by depleting resources.
Because cronyism can only take care of a few people, and the rest will eventually wake up to realise the repeated lies that things were done in certain ways purportedly “for their benefit”.
Because the race card, cleverly played for such a long time, is beginning to be seen for what it really is – a despicable tool to divide the rakyat for easier political manipulation.
Because it does not take much to figure out that there is no good reason why Malaysia, a country with abundant human resources and rich natural resources, does not have a standard of living many times higher than that of Singapore, an island state with no natural resources and that has to import human resources from Malaysia and elsewhere.
Because, in general, countries that do not persecute marchers are prosperous or are improving from their previous state of affairs, and those that do are declining.
Because Gandhi marched, Mandela marched, Martin Luther King marched, and Tunku Abdul Rahman marched.
Because more and more people realise that peaceful assemblies are no threat at all to the security of the nation, although they are a threat to the security of tenure of the ruling elite.
Because politicians do not mean it when they say with a straight face or a smile that they are the servants and that the people are the masters. No servant would treat his master with tear gas, batons and handcuffs.
Because if the marchers in history had been stopped in their tracks, places like India, Malaysia and many others would still be colonies today, apartheid would still be thriving in South Africa, Nelson Mandela would still be scribbling on the walls of Cell 5, and Obama would probably be a slave somewhere in Mississippi plotting to make his next midnight dash for the river.
And because liberty, freedom and dignity are not free vouchers posted out to each household.
They do not come to those who just sit and wait. They have to be fought for, and gained.
And if you still want to ask: why march; I can go on and on until the last tree is felled. But I shall
obviously not.
I will end with the following lines from one of the songs sung in the 1960s by civil rights marchers in the US, without whom Obama would not be able to even sit with the whites in a bus, let alone reside in the White House:
“It isn’t nice to block the doorway
It isn’t nice to go to jail
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways have all failed
It isn’t nice; it isn’t nice
You’ve told us once, you’ve told us twice
But if that’s freedom’s price
We don’t mind ...”
Yeo Yang Poh is a former Bar Council president. Comments: [email protected].
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Most people are probably not bothered with how a politician wants to engage, but the most accusative would draw the most flak. Every other day you would be criticizing someone, not only PAP, and one fine day you realize you can't meet the same standards you have set for others and it's better to evade.
Guess his last resort was to do one area others could not and would not be subject to criticism there. Chop a leg. A one legged man who says the marathon is unfair because it doesn't cater for the handicap and the runners do not care about the disabled because they participated.
foreigners give temasick the thumbs up & hail it as model, so that more billions can flow into their pockets.
in life, we take all comments with a pinch of salt, only scholars take remarks wholesale. they can't tell the difference between genuine sincere remarks & what's supposed to be diplomatic bullsh*t.
imagine, somebody at the kopitiam shout "OOI! yandao!"... the scholar is sure to be celebrating, cos somebody called him handsome.
Dear Scroobal
He does, he came on line on to the forum after GE 2006, I remember asking him pointed questions and all I got was the standard politician response :_)). Same thing that G Yeo is giving him right now in response to his difficult questions. So all's fair :_))
Locke
He does, he came on line on to the forum after GE 2006, I remember asking him pointed questions and all I got was the standard politician response :_)). Same thing that G Yeo is giving him right now in response to his difficult questions. So all's fair :_))
Locke
<style></style>Nah! its ain't fair & square.I ask you a pointed question and you need not answer.That's your prerogative.You ask Chee a pointed question and he may not answer..But Chee may loose your vote and respect.That too is a fair game.But if Chee or you or me ask a PAP minister a pointed question.He must answer.Why?Because a PAP minister is held accountable for the high office he holds which determines your life & death.That's why.!
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