Goodbye US Nav, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

[Agoraphobic]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

I thought ASUW stood for anti-surface warfare. USA makes and sells Harpoon missiles don't they? They'd either use this or something more advanced for their own surface ships.

Cheers!

there are no such things as anti-surface ballistics. US destroyers only have SAMs.

 

[Agoraphobic]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

Oz had a carrier? What sort of planes did they use? F-18s? China has to start somewhere and from the drawing board would take too long a time. I suppose anywhere and from anyone would be a realistic approach.

Cheers!

Beijing began purchasing old carriers to learn their secrets. In a seldom discussed episode, China in 1985 purchased the Australian carrier HMS Melbourne for scrap — or so it was thought at the time. However, the flight deck of the Melbourne was kept intact and used for pilot training in carrier takeoffs and landings (though a static flight deck would, of course, have been of limited utility, since it could not replicate the pitch and roll of an aircraft carrier at sea).

Melbourne was the largest warship any of the Chinese experts had seen in 1985, and they were surprised by the amount of equipment which was still in place. Only the electronic equipment and weapons were removed.

 

[GOD IS MY DOG]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140812000008

11 considering they already have Singapore as one carrier.

bro...............S'pore is a US carrier........will be intercepting oil tankers bound for China in war........Myanmar (backdoor to China) already under US control now.............

 

[Sinkie]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

Fortunately Singapore has no oil........

 

[3_M]

PLA navy need at least 20 years to develop the carrier battle group. weapon technologies aside, just the logistic tail of even one CBG is staggering. even if the PLA carrier is nuclear, the supporting ASW and Aegis ships need to refuel, so fast fleet oilers are needed, plus ships carrying supplies and parts to sustain the CBG tour of duty lasting at least 03 months.

also need to expand the training facilities to accommodate the huge number of personnel needed to man all the vessels. Training take time and experience need time and effort. if each carrier has 30+ fighters and support crafts, then huge number of trained aircrew are also needed. Again time is need to train the aircew to fly the 400 aircrafts just on the carrier fleet and not counting the shore based regiments.

personally, I think it a mistake. unless PLA navy can develop something similar in size of a Nimitz class fleet carrier, only then PLA navy can take on the USN over open water. A 30+ aircrafts carrier cannot cut it. As much as US Navy project power via the Carrier Battle Group, it the silent force that strike fear to all ship captains.

It maybe US carriers battle victories that get into newspaper in WW2 but the USN Pacific submarine force sunk more than 50% of all Japanese ships lost in WW2. It the submarine sinking the tankers and other freighters that prevent IJN from getting supplies to replenish war materials and the lack of POL mean insufficient flying time for new aircrews which mean the new aviators were barely train when they went out again USN pilots.

China motives for having aircraft carriers is not to fight in every corner of the world like USA. The mean reason is to ensure the security her raw material and energy supply line from Indian Ocean through Strait of Melaka, SCS, ECS. Hence she doesn't need so many carrier to match US.

The critical factor is whether she mastered Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) to match USN. Depending on ski ramp is redundant against USN. China operate a EMALS test facility near Shanghai.

 

[singveld]

10 junks are no threat to Japanese navy, not to mention USA navy.

 

[neddy]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

Oz had a carrier? What sort of planes did they use? F-18s? China has to start somewhere and from the drawing board would take too long a time. I suppose anywhere and from anyone would be a realistic approach.

Cheers!

Hmas Melbourne was the last, using A4 Skyhawks and fixed wing Sea King. Aircraft Carriers are not suitable for Australia.

 

[neddy]

China motives for having aircraft carriers is not to fight in every corner of the world like USA. The mean reason is to ensure the security her raw material and energy supply line from Indian Ocean through Strait of Melaka, SCS, ECS. Hence she doesn't need so many carrier to match US.

The critical factor is whether she mastered Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) to match USN. Depending on ski ramp is redundant against USN. China operate a EMALS test facility near Shanghai.

A green water navy is more useful for China.

 

[longbow]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

You can learn a lot by building and operating your own carrier. One has to start somewhere. Also,technology changes. So all the know-how in operating George Bush class carrier might be useless if say the future is in smaller satellite controlled drones.

Your future carrier might be there for refuelling and launching and being close to the target but actually flying of drone is 10K miles away. Drones are a lot smaller and lighter and the requirement for catapult launchers might become useless. Carrier may even have submarine drones

The future might be in the form of carriers 1/3 the size but having more of them, operated by fewer people 200 vs say 5000. The current carrier group has too large of a foot print.

Think of all the companies making high end record turn table. they could see for thousands but quality cannot beat a $50 DVD/CD/Bluray player.

 

[Cestbon]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

Fortunately Singapore has no oil........

SG have oil refinery. Few small bomb hit the refinery. eg each company one fire bomb. Will wipe out whole west SG. Burning for days.

 

[congo9]

Re: Goodbye US Navy, China plans to build 10 aicraft carriers

PRC is working very hard to modernise her military and aircraft carriers are a new area for her. In this, she is way behind the Yanks in technology and deployment, but she has to start somewhere. Her first carrier, Liaoning isn't nuclear powered and will need to refuel often, so PRC will urgently need to develop "friendly ports" for this purpose. I think this endeavour will be even harder than building new hardware, not many nations will welcome large military vessels with warm open arms for refueling. PRC needs to make friends now to fill this role. As for building new aircraft carriers, she is still many years from reaching the latest ones operated by the Yanks today (post Nimitz class carriers), but she is working on it. For the US to be matched, it will be quite some time yet. They aren't worried about PRC's aircraft carriers, they have yet to develop carrier task forces. Meanwhile, all this devlopment is good for employment and marine construction companies though.

Cheers!

You can't just build 10 aircraft carrier without your support ships, support crew, weapons. You need trained man to run the operation. It is not like SAF generals playing war games inside the air con room. You need real people with real gutso to run a SINGLE carrier group.

Let not go and talk about 5 , let alone 10 carrier group.

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