Chitchat Good Husband Shan Pushing For Marital Rape To Be Illegal! Oppies Can No Longer Rape Their Wives And Walk Scot-free!

[Kopi0Kosong]

Ah Neh and PAP trying hard to buy votes from Sinkies woman. If they really cared tis law wud be in placed 30yrs ago when more than half of Sinkies woman were lowly educated. These days, Sinkies woman how daring and fierce, they dare to sun bath naked and even asked for their pussy to be licked by their husbands, so can husband complaint on cruelty!!!

Yes, I agree with your reasoning wholeheartedly. The PAP is attempting to distract the people's focus on the housing issue. Just like the discussion on smoking, these are not major issues. Let the PAP LEEders change the law but hold them accountable for subsequent consequences which arise out of questionable implementation of a new law. This PAP LEEdership wants to encroach into and control the people's personal spaces and thinking. PAP wants to take control of you in your own home. This is a true display of PAP's arrogance. What has PAP LEEders DONE TO the people of Singapore?

 

[halsey02]

Ah Neh and PAP trying hard to buy votes from Sinkies woman. If they really cared tis law wud be in placed 30yrs ago when more than half of Sinkies woman were lowly educated. These days, Sinkies woman how daring and fierce, they dare to sun bath naked and even asked for their pussy to be licked by their husbands, so can husband complaint on cruelty!!!

Now the wives let their pussy lick by other husbands & then come home, husband want sex...says he RAPED her. Damn protection for the woman... their shouldn't be any law on this...

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Grassroots feedback indicate that many men are now worried that their vindictive wives would lodge false rape reports against them. Some are also worried that they can no longer rape their wives. In the past, they were not allowed to molest their wives by pinching their buttocks or boobs. Now, rape would be ruled out too within a month or two.

Yes u are right,,,the reason why is cos all these wives of pappie dogs like u need to be always constantly in the good books of the pappies. If not your wealth etc will disappear overnight. And these pappie dogs wives are only wives cos of their dog husbands wealth. They now clamour for such a law because if their husbands go broke, they can claim rape etc and get the wealth before its taken away by the pappies. The husband is fucked either way...so that is what yr wife will do to u Mr John Tan...its a law to give assets to wife,,

 

[Hypocrite-The]

SINGAPORE - Husbands who force themselves on their wives will not get immunity from being prosecuted for rape, under a recommendation tabled by a committee tasked to review the Penal Code.

The committee, convened by the Ministry of Home Affairs and Ministry of Law in 2016, called for a "full, unqualified repeal of marital immunity for rape" aimed at providing all women, married or unmarried, protection from sexual abuse.

In a letter to Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam, dated Aug 31, the Penal Code Review Committee, led by Minister in the Prime Minister's Office Indranee Rajah and Senior Parliamentary Secretary for Home Affairs and Health Amrin Amin, said that its extensive review involved modernising the Penal Code, as "many of the reasons underpinning the previous state of the law are rooted in societal norms which we believe no longer exist in Singapore society".

After two years of discussions, the committee submitted its report to the Government on Aug 31 this year, recommending a full repeal of the marital immunity for rape, along with other recommendations including decriminalising attempted suicide and enhancing the punishment for offences against vulnerable persons, such as the mentally disabled as well as maids and minors aged below 14.

Mr Shanmugam said: "The Penal Code has gone through a series of amendments over the years. Obviously, as society changes, the nature of the offences change, you keep changing. Intentions are the same, you want to update. This time, I think, it is taking into account all these changes, it's taking a step back and looking at it comprehensively and trying to fit them all together."

Up till 2007, Singapore did not recognise marital rape - that a husband could rape his wife. That year, the law was amended to recognise marital rape under certain circumstances which signalled a breakdown in the marriage, such as if the husband and wife were living apart under an interim judgment of divorce or written separation agreement, if divorce proceedings had begun, or if the wife had commenced proceedings to or had already obtained a personal protection order against her husband.

The repeal would provide equal access to protection for sexually abused wives and ensure consistency with other sexual offences.

At present, husbands cannot invoke marital immunity for the outrage of modesty, also known as molest, which can carry a penalty of up to two years' jail, or a fine or caning. This includes inappropriate touching on a bus, for example.

The penalty increases to up to 10 years' jail, with caning for cases of aggravated outrage of modesty. These involve additional elements such as threatening to cause hurt or restraining or putting the victim in fear, such as restraining her in a lift against her will.

Yet, husbands have marital immunity for rape.

The maximum penalty for rape is 20 years' imprisonment, as well as fine or caning.

Said Mr Shanmugam: "The changes they are recommending, I have talked about some of them in the last two years as to what we would like to see as well. Women, for example, I have thought it odd that we still have immunity for husbands who rape their wives. A women's body is her own. And even if she is your wife, she is entitled to say no. And no means no. So that, they are proposing to repeal the immunity. "

There has been a marked global shift towards criminalising marital rape. The United Nations (UN) General Assembly declared marital rape a human rights violation in 1993. Currently, more than 100 countries do not grant marital immunity for rape, including the United Kingdom, South Korea and Thailand.

In 2009, local advocacy group No To Rape called for a repeal of marital rape immunity in an online petition which garnered more than 3,600 signatures.

In 2011, local non-government organisations such as the Association of Women for Action and Research (Aware) called for the repeal of marital immunity in their submissions to the UN Committee on the Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women, for Singapore's fourth periodic report.

Aware's executive director Ms Corinna Lim welcomed the recommendation. "A long overdue, full and unqualified repeal of marital immunity for rape would be a momentous step forward for women's rights," she said.

"The repeal would be powerful signal that the state does not condone any form of violence against women, including within marriage."

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...y-soon-have-no-more-marital-immunity-for-rape

There is no such thing as marital rape. Sex is part of being married,,if married no sex can claim annulment? and if such a law is pass, will there be penalties for false reporting? what is the wife is a slave and enjoyed being spanked? and remember the secret to a good marriage is treat them mean,,,keep them keen,,,if such a law is passed, does the pap want more divorces?

And on a side note, if the pap is serious about winning the next erection, get rid of unfair laws like womens crapster etc,,,so if a man rape a women he kenna,,if a women make false reporting,,she kenna,,,women are now equal to men,,,,they should also bear full responsibility and not hide behind gender. Women should be treated fairly and equally,,,they should serve NS too,

 

[winnipegjets]

Now that you can't rape your wife, JohnTan, are you going for the RC aunties?

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Now that you can't rape your wife, JohnTan, are you going for the RC aunties?

John Tan hopes to get rape by them than he can make police report and cheong the aunties assets,,alot of aunties got HDB flat etc hor

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Skip Navigation
Jump to Main Main navigation and Meta Navigation
To Home
Meta Main Navigation
OpenAll SectionsAll SectionsClose
In marital rape, proving lack of consent a 'complicated' issue, lawyers say
Singapore
In marital rape, proving lack of consent a 'complicated' issue, lawyers say
image: data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==
Crime generic (1)
(Photo illustration: Ngau Kai Yan)
By Aqil Haziq Mahmud
13 Sep 2018 06:28AM
(Updated: 13 Sep 2018 06:30AM)
Share this content




Bookmark

SINGAPORE: It will be challenging to prove a lack of consent in cases of marital rape, criminal lawyers said, pointing to the intimacy associated with marriage and the fluid nature of consent.

As part of sweeping changes to the penal code, a review committee had on Sunday (Sep 9) proposed abolishing marital immunity for rape, garnering praise from women's rights groups and members of the legal community.

But Mr Ramesh Tiwary, a criminal lawyer who runs a solo practice, told Channel NewsAsia that proving rape in a marriage adds "certain complications to what exactly is consensual, and how clear must that consent be".

“If you had a continuing and lengthy relationship like a marriage, I think you’ll have greater complications (than in other types of relationships),” he said. “Are you supposed to get consent from your wife every time?”

Hilborne Law managing director Rajan Supramaniam said lack of consent in a marriage is difficult to prove because of the "sexual intimacy" within the relationship.

"Whatever transpired is very private between them and that makes it difficult to find the truth," he added.

Advertisement
Another concern, the lawyers said, is the retracting of consent following a "trigger factor" like a heated argument.

"The wife might put up with a certain behaviour, but when something else happens, she might raise it as an offence," Mr Tiwary said.

Mr Sunil Sudheesan, who heads the criminal department at Quahe Woo and Palmer, said it "has always been tricky" to determine if sex between parties in a relationship was consensual.

"Because it’s anybody's say as to whether there was consent or not if there are no injuries," he added, stating that lawyers would usually look for "objective identifiers" like the use of force.

PROVING MARITAL RAPE

Ms Corinna Lim, executive director of the Association of Women for Action and Research (AWARE), acknowledged the difficulty of proving rape in cases involving partners who share an intimate relationship due to a "much heavier focus on consent".

However, she said that marital rape cases could present a different set of corroborating evidence, which includes a history of domestic violence.

"Timely medical examination, witness testimony, eyewitnesses before or after the assault, secondary witnesses and possible admission by perpetrator on texts can all help to secure conviction like any other sexual assault case," she added.

"Just because it is difficult to prove, we cannot ignore a crime."

READ: Behind closed doors: Rape and marriage in Singapore

Still, Ms Lim said cases of marital rape might go unreported because of the "deep misconceptions and stigma" that continue to surround any kind of sexual violence.

"Many also still harbour outdated gender roles and expectations, believing that a husband is 'owed' sex from his wife," she added.

Furthermore, marital rape victims might choose not to speak up "for the sake of their children and to keep their family intact", said Singapore Council of Women's Organisations 1st vice-president Junie Foo.

"Shifting mindsets will take time and education," she said. "The better way is to seek help early and protect themselves."

CURRENT LAW

And then there's the issue of legislation.

Family therapist Evonne Lek said some of her patients are reluctant to report marital rape as "they do not believe that the law will be on their side".

"If I suspect domestic violence, I often have to ask specific questions like whether they were forced to have sex," she said. "Then I will have to educate them that when they are forced to have sex, even though they are married, it is considered rape."

Currently, a man can still be convicted of raping his wife in certain circumstances, including when the couple had been living apart, or if the wife had applied for a divorce, separation or personal protection order (PPO) before the alleged offence.

Family lawyer Rajan Chettiar said one in 10 cases he's handled involved women saying they've had their husbands force sexual intercourse on them.

"This is usually raised by the female client when she wishes to file for divorce," he said. "We will use this fact as an example of the husband’s unreasonable behaviour towards the wife, which is a reason to file for divorce under the Women’s Charter."

Straits Law Practice director Ahmad Nizam Abbas, who handles matrimonial and divorce cases, said he has heard similar accounts, adding that he would bring up the option of a PPO "as their safety is critical".

image: data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==

File photo of Supreme Court exterior copy
File photo of Singapore's Supreme Court.

But if marital immunity for rape is fully abolished, things might change.

Mr Chettiar said he would then advise clients to make a police report and "ask the police to press charges against their husbands".

"At the same time, I wonder how many wives will come forward to make such charges against their husbands," he added.

"They will be worried about how this will affect their marriage, how their husband will behave towards them in the future and how this will affect their relationship with their children and their extended families."

Mr Ahmad said there would also be other consequences, including the loss of a source of income. "The impact on the children will be a very important consideration in their decision to speak up or not," he added.

MOVING FORWARD

Nevertheless, AWARE's Ms Lim said the repeal of marital immunity for rape should come with "nationwide public education on sexual violence to dispel traditional gender roles and victim-blaming myths".

"For example, this can be done by implementing age-appropriate consent and gender equality education in schools in order to promote healthier, more equal relationships and sexual relations," she added.

As for the law, the criminal lawyer Mr Tiwary said things "can get pretty complicated".

"I have no doubts that the judges will be well-placed to consider these facts, but their job will become more difficult," he added. "This whole area of consent will have to be re-looked at."

Where to get help: The Sexual Assault Care Centre operates a hotline at 6779 0282 from Monday to Friday, 10am to midnight.
Source: CNA/hz(ra)
Tagged Topics
marital rape

law
Share this content




Bookmark

More stories for you
Marital rape, voyeurism to become offences in ‘sweeping’ changes proposed for Singapore’s penal code Toggle share menu
Commentary: What took us so long to move against marital immunity for rape? Toggle share menu
EU parliament pushes Hungary sanctions over Orban laws Toggle share menu
image: https://images.outbrainimg.com/tran...AsImgiOjIwMCwiZCI6MS41LCJjcyI6MCwiZiI6MH0.jpg
Exposing the dirty video tricks of peeping toms
Exposing the dirty video tricks of peeping toms
image: https://images.outbrainimg.com/tran...AsImgiOjIwMCwiZCI6MS41LCJjcyI6MCwiZiI6MH0.jpg
You Wouldn't Believe How Cheap Dental Implants Are In Perth
You Wouldn't Believe How Cheap Dental Implants Are In Perth
Dental Implants | Sponsored Listings
Recommended by

Get the Channel NewsAsia newsletter in your inbox


Enter your email address
SUBSCRIBE
Advertisement
More information about Channel News Asia
jump to top of page
Sections
Singapore
Asia
World
CNA Insider
Business
Sport
Lifestyle
Technology
Health
Commentary
Podcasts
Video on Demand
ASEAN
About Us
About Channel NewsAsia
Hotel Partners
Events & Seminars
Presenters & Correspondents
Contact Us
Advertise with us
Contact Sales
Online Advertising
TV Advertising
Get the news that matters in your inbox every morning!
Please enter your email address
Enter your email address

I consent to the use of my personal data by Mediacorp and the Mediacorp group of companies (collectively "Mediacorp") to send me marketing and advertising materials in relation to goods and services of Mediacorp and its business partners and for research and analysis
SUBSCRIBE
Follow our news
Experience news with our apps
Play Store
App Store
Copyright© Mediacorp 2018. Mediacorp Pte Ltd. All rights reserved.

Terms and Conditions Privacy Policy
image:
image: https://rp.gwallet.com/r1/cm/p46


Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...k-of-consent-complicated-lawyers-say-10707898

 

[knowwhatyouwantinlife]

In actual fact for most couples unless you are rohingya or the equivalent, the sex would already be stale after courtship (sex everywhere), even lesser sex after marriage (not all are marksmen and gets a good shot in to conceive a baby immediately), and the least sex (when the kid grows from one to six year old, most of the time too tired to have it, and if have 2 to 5 mins top..ppl die from 12 min 2.4km ippt run lei and admit it who at this stage doesn't want to steal eat)..Don't see how rape comes in and where is the evidence? Marital rape should be under spousal abuse not a law by itself and should apply to both sexes..of course sir John tan is the alpha here!

 

[Semaj2357]

Now the wives let their pussy lick by other husbands & then come home, husband want sex...says he RAPED her. Damn protection for the woman... their shouldn't be any law on this...

providing a tongue-scraper and a green-hat to the relevant parties might be a happy-ending for all involved

 

[JohnTan]

Now that you can't rape your wife, JohnTan, are you going for the RC aunties?

I still can rape my wife if I want to. The law against marital rape has not yet been passed. But I never had the need to rape my wife because we find each other sexually attractive and we want to have sex with each other every day.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Finally,,,1 policy that mudland has got right,,,,at least there is some commonsense amongst the m&ds,,,but of course they are still stupid for trying to abolish the death penalty, so 1 right and 1 wrong
No plans to criminalise marital rape: Malaysia deputy minister
image: data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==
(Photo: Melissa Zhu)
30 Oct 2018 05:13PM (Updated: 30 Oct 2018 05:20PM)
Share this content

• 
  
• 
  
• 
  

Bookmark
KUALA LUMPUR: The Malaysian government has no plans to make marital rape a crime because it is difficult to prove such cases in court, said Deputy Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Mohamed Hanipa Maidin on Tuesday (Oct 30).
If brought to court, such cases often result in the accused being discharged instead of convicted, he added.

Advertisement


“That is why, the government, taking into account all factors, feels it is not the time yet to make marital rape a crime.
“However, if there are cases involving domestic violence, Section 375A of the Penal Code is applied to protect the rights of women,” he said in parliament in response to a question from Petaling Jaya Member of Parliament Maria Chin Abdullah.
According to a Malay Mail report, Hanipa said when rape involves a spouse, there is "inherent doubt" and any benefit of the doubt in criminal cases must be given to the accused.
“We can turn (marital) rape into a crime to protect the women, but what use is it to have a criminal section when the possibility of conviction is very small?” he said in parliament.

Advertisement

Source: Bernama/CNA/zl(gs)
Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...inalise-marital-rape-deputy-minister-10879522

 

[Charlie99]

May be, his ex-spouse, will not agree with you re: good husband.

 

[kangaroowoo]

don't get married

 

[syed putra]

Some wives get violently abused physically and financially, but because the husband has mastery of lovemaking, they allow this to continue as long as she cums repeatedly.

 

[no_faith]

My wife reject sex
I cannot go out pay for sex
I watch xxx movie and pcc kym?

 

[halsey02]

what is the offence if the Wife raped the Husband?

Same, marital rape; for she says you seduce her & you put your 'weapon of mass seduction inside her'.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Same, marital rape; for she says you seduce her & you put your 'weapon of mass seduction inside her'.

The thing is such a law will not cover abuse by the wife. Verbal n psychological abuse. So wat it the recourse for men?

 

[halsey02]

The thing is such a law will not cover abuse by the wife. Verbal n psychological abuse. So wat it the recourse for men?

Chop off the penis...