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Goh Meng Seng is finished (politically)

Perspective

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One more time, I am going to tell you, I am not GMS.

And why should people like GMS needs clones to support his argument. His point and position are all well argued and he usually sticks to it regardless of the onslaught he received from an army anti GMS members here.

But you would agree that he should not have commented on the matter because he was fresh from leaving the NSP has its SG and people took it wrongly?
 

wikiphile

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And now he is proposing candidates for the PAP

http://temasektimes.wordpress.com/2...ap-field-tay-ping-hui-in-hougang-by-election/

Goh Meng Seng now proposes PAP field Tay Ping Hui in Hougang by-election

Posted by temasektimes on March 22, 2012

Despite receiving numerous brickbats from netizens for his feeble attempts to create discord within the opposition camp by mooting the possibility of the National Solidarity Party (NSP) sending its star candidate Nicole Seah to contest in Hougang by-election which eventually forced Nicole to issue a public statement denying she would do so, beleaguered former WP and NSP leader Goh Meng Seng continues to take potshots at the Workers Party on his personal blog.

In his latest post written yesterday, Mr Goh proposes that the PAP send MediaCorp celebrity Tay Ping Hui who was applauded by many netizens lately for speaking out against NUS PRC scholar Sun Xu to contest in Hougang.

“Since this is the battle of personal branding, if PAP is smart enough, it may send TV celebrity to contest. Don’t underestimate the impact of this celebrity effect, it could well become PAP’s the most effective weapon! TV celebrity Tay Ping Hui is a well known PAP member and he has all along shown vast interests in contesting in elections.”

He took a swipe at WP’s likely candidate in Hougang, Png Eng Huat, saying that he would be totally ‘marginalized’ if he contests against Nicole Seah and Tay Ping Hui:

“If PAP send him to contest, this by-election would be very interesting to watch. Imagine, Nicole Seah, Tay Ping Hui and Png Eng Huat…. I believe in the end, Png Eng Huat will be totally marginalized while the by-election turns into the show down between the TV celebrity and the political rising star!”

In an interview with a Chinese tabloid two days ago, NSP Secretary-General Hazel Poa revealed that Mr Goh is no longer a NSP member, meaning that he is making the comments in his personal capacity as the ‘resident commentator’ of the Sammyboy Forum (not the porn site)

Meanwhile, angry and irate netizens continue to lampoon Mr Goh in cyberspace with many condemning him as a ‘PAP stooge’ out to destroy the Workers Party.

Some responses from netizens on Facebook:

“Goh Meng seng now sounds like a political terrorist more than a politician . So what can he get out this ? Is he so full of confidence that he will at least even get 20 % of his votes ? Good luck GMS , you’ll need it if you go in .” – Yeo Seng Leng

“When a persons starts to blabber nonsense, you can be sure it’s the initial sign of senile deterioration” – Ivan Pei En

“‎*sigh* Hwa Chong & NUS, sounds like a PAP guy, worse, a PAP reject. LOLIn all honestly, being vindictive serves no purpose except to further a personal agenda.” – Kelly Koh
 

Ramseth

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Sad it comes to this. After he fails to get NSP most popular candidate to stand in Hougang BE, he's trying to get PAP most popular candidate to stand.

What happened to you, Meng Seng? What happened to your lofty grounds of integrity and substance instead of celebrity and popularist?
 
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Thick Face Black Heart

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Sad it comes to this. After he fails to get NSP most popular candidate to stand in Hougang BE, he's trying to get PAP most popular candidate to stand.

What happened to you, Meng Seng? What happened to your lofty grounds of integrity and substance instead of celebrity and popularist?


GMS has betrayed his original ideals of helping to advance the opposition movement in Singapore and finding a good alternative to the PAP. He has been consumed by short term hatred, jealousy, vindictiveness, and allowed his ego to cloud his reasoning. His motives have all changed now, and ideals all abandoned.
 

Windsor2012

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The writing is on the wall a long time ago that politically GMS is finished. The problem is that only he does not realise it. It is human nature especially in his case being very stubborn and unable to accept the opinions of others,
 

Sadist

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The writing is on the wall a long time ago that politically GMS is finished. The problem is that only he does not realise it. It is human nature especially in his case being very stubborn and unable to accept the opinions of others,

You would like to believe he is finished.

I don't think so. Even Dr Chee may make a come back and contest in an election. Don't think the younger and more media savvy voters will even consider Dr Chee past as a liability.

The issue with GMS is that he keeps hitting WP and the WP centric crowd here will start yelling and condemned him that he is political finished. It's just here.
 

zhihau

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Even Dr Chee may make a come back and contest in an election. Don't think the younger and more media savvy voters will even consider Dr Chee past as a liability.

me, for one, consider Dr Chee's past as a liability and me find it hard to vote for him. can't forget and hard to forgive him for what he had done to CST.
 

deepblue0911

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You would like to believe he is finished.

I don't think so. Even Dr Chee may make a come back and contest in an election. Don't think the younger and more media savvy voters will even consider Dr Chee past as a liability.

The issue with GMS is that he keeps hitting WP and the WP centric crowd here will start yelling and condemned him that he is political finished. It's just here.

It's not GMS hitting WP that is the issue, it's his lack of objectivity, poor judgement on what are decent and appropriate behaviors, non-existing analytical skills (yet wanting to be a political analyst, observer, etc) and in general no clarity of thoughts, shooting off his mouth, self righteous, etc.

I'm not sure GMS political career is finished. Hard to say in politics. But at this moment, I sense that he wants to finish his political career. All by himself! At least I think he wants to exit partisan politics. With his blog comments, exposure to MSM, etc, he seems driven to step on the feet of everyone. He's committing political suicide.
 
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cass888

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I don't think so. Even Dr Chee may make a come back and contest in an election. Don't think the younger and more media savvy voters will even consider Dr Chee past as a liability.

When that happens and you will see Youtube being filled with snippets of his attempt to oust Mr. Chiam See Tong from Parliament, running after PM Goh Chok Tong shouting "where is our $10b" (when the $10b was not even disbursed) etc. Don't worry, the MONGREL who bit his masters' hands LOUDHAILER chee soon juan will be finished politically if he ever stands for election again.
 

deepblue0911

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me, for one, consider Dr Chee's past as a liability and me find it hard to vote for him. can't forget and hard to forgive him for what he had done to CST.

I actually agree with Sadist (gee!) that it's very likely CSJ will make a comeback. SDP seems to have mellowed lately and CSJ himself showed signs of softening his tough and confrontational style of the past. Remember he recently showed some journalists his spartan home, two children and wife? Think on Yahoo! Whether that was orchestrated, I don't know. But I think he's changing his persona.

Don't really know much of the saga between him and CST. But you kind of expect these things in politics, survival of the fittest. I admire CST a lot for his dedication to opposition politics, and serving the people. But I think he's not ruthless enough in the political world. He looks like a very disorganized person, with few ideas. In short, intellectually he's no match for CSJ. And I'm disappointed that SPP is now run by his wife. Just not right to pass it around within the family. Besides, I don't think Lina Chiam is up to the mark in the first place.

Cut a long story short, I'm not sure CST's departure from SDP is purely CSJ's fault.
 
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jbsmith

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There is a commentary in Today ZaoBao titled: 工人党.美女.三角战.

Although it never mentioned any name & used the term "a certain ex-politician", but I know is Goh Meng Seng. :eek:

It seems like that article was written to rebuke his analysis.

猪八戒照镜子里外不是人!:biggrin:
 
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jbsmith

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The article :biggrin:

“工人党·美女·艺人三角战”?

(2012-03-24)

● 游润恬

从选民的角度考虑时,我希望我的选区能吸引到行动党和反对党最有实力的候选人,因为这个人当选后会成为我的议员,直接影响我和家人及街坊的生活。从公民的角度出发,政治必须有竞争才会进步,执政党是如此,反对党亦是如此。

沉寂一时的某反对党阵营前领导人,最近在博客和面簿发表了对后港补选的“精彩”分析,成功地重新把聚光灯转向自己。他在这篇3000字的博文谈了很多,从几时举行补选对人民行动党有利,谈到三角战的变数。他最吸引眼球的论点是:工人党若派方荣发参选、行动党若派新传媒艺人郑斌辉参选,而国民团结党派政治新秀佘雪玲参选,这三人会擦出什么火花?

  读者或许会问,这听起来精彩绝伦的分析,怎么之前没在早报读到?请放心,不是早报“走宝”,而是因为我们判断这篇分析不值得当成新闻来报道。

  首先,这名仁兄作了一些天马行空的假设,以致逻辑漏洞百出,结论让人难以信服。例如,他认为团结党若决定加入三角战,就应该派佘雪玲出战。但事实是佘雪玲绝对不愿意去后港当“第三者”。行动党派电视艺人角逐后港的说法更是天真得可笑。

  第二、俗话说,不在其位,不谋其政。这名仁兄虽然曾经贵为团结党堂堂第二号领导人,但他从今年1月起已因没有续交党费而不再是党员。而事实是早在那之前,更准确说是在去年五月大选过后,他的政治影响力就已迅速下降。他现在的正式身份是局外人。佘雪玲已完全不必听命于他,这可从她在面簿上彻底反驳他的“佘雪玲参选后港”论可以看出。

  如团结党主席张培源所说的:“很多人都可以有很多想法,我们不必跟着他们团团转。”团结党昨天发文告,再次澄清这位仁兄已不是党员,党不为他的言论负责。

  第三、也是我们不必对“工人党·美女·艺人三角战”论说太认真的最主要原因是,我相信仁兄并不是真的在分析谁适合当候选人。他写这篇分析的真正目的,是要警告工人党不要在下届大选和团结党“抢”地盘。

  仁兄在分析文章中重提上届大选两党抢地盘之事。团结党原本要把由现任党秘书长潘群勤等人组成的最强竞选队伍,派去摩绵—加冷集选区。但因工人党坚持要角逐这一区,团结党被迫临时改变战略,让潘等人和张培源组成团队转战蔡厝港集选区。当时代表团结党参与谈判的仁兄已公开抨击工人党咄咄逼人,后来发现工人党并没有派它的最强队伍角逐摩绵—加冷集选区,更是觉得团结党的“牺牲”很不值得,难咽下这口气。

  过去吃亏也就算了,团结党最担心的是类似吃亏的情况会不断重演。它在上届大选角逐淡滨尼集选区和马林百列集选区,并视这两个集选区为它的“地盘”。工人党向来对这两个东部选区感兴趣,并已开始在那里走动。如果工人党在下届大选坚持角逐这两个选区,那么无论团结党选择面对三角战还是选择退出,它多年来在那里的耕耘都有可能前功尽弃。

所以仁兄之所以提团结党可能参加后港补选,其实是在绕个大圈对工人党喊话:别以为团结党好欺负,我们可以让你日子难过!

但团结党真的有条件让工人党日子难过吗?如果团结党真的和工人党势均力敌,那又何必惧怕在淡滨尼或马林百列的选区战场上与工人党较量?后港是连执政党都未必有把握攻下的工人党堡垒,其他反对党派人参选岂不是自杀式行动?说什么派佘雪玲角逐后港,只是拿来吓唬人的空口威胁。

  关于反对党是否应尊重其他反对党已“插旗”的地盘、先到先得和互不“侵占”的原则性问题,我有一些想法。我同情较小反对党的感受,它们从政党利益的角度考虑时,会认为反对党的共同敌人是势力强大及资源雄厚的执政党,但较强反对党非但不与它们同仇敌忾,反而还来它们耕耘多年的选区搅局,似乎缺乏江湖义气。

  不过从选民的角度考虑时,我希望我的选区能吸引到行动党和反对党最有实力的候选人,因为这个人当选后会成为我的议员,直接影响我和家人及街坊的生活。从公民的角度出发,政治必须有竞争才会进步,执政党是如此,反对党亦是如此。


Source: http://www.zaobao.com.sg/yl/yl120324_010.shtml
 
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Raiders

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There is a commentary in Today ZaoBao titled: 工人党.美女.三角战.

Although it never mentioned any name & used the term "a certain ex-politician", but I know is Goh Meng Seng. :eek:

It seems like that article was written to rebuke his analysis.

D


Very obvious that the article is referring to him :biggrin:
Nice to see someone rebutting him.
 

Tualan

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Although I never vote for the ruling party in the past , but if GMS is going to participate in the next GE in my constituency, I will give my vote to PAP, for sure.
 

Sadist

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Although I never vote for the ruling party in the past , but if GMS is going to participate in the next GE in my constituency, I will give my vote to PAP, for sure.

Nothing new with WP and centric supporters. YSL voted for PAP. And we know what he values.
 

zhihau

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But you kind of expect these things in politics, survival of the fittest. I admire CST a lot for his dedication to opposition politics, and serving the people. But I think he's not ruthless enough in the political world.

true in every sense of the word that politics is not for the weak. our dear friend survived all these years. maybe me is old school, still holds dearly to the notion of 一日为师,终生为父。once bitten, twice shy, my bro.
 

deepblue0911

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true in every sense of the word that politics is not for the weak. our dear friend survived all these years. maybe me is old school, still holds dearly to the notion of 一日为师,终生为父。once bitten, twice shy, my bro.

Definitely agree. But 一日为师,终生为父 is hardly practised in the world of politics. If you look at Chinese history, fathers kill sons, sons kill fathers, brothers kill each others. Not for the faint hearted.
 
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