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Watch: Missile fails to clear launch tube on German Frigate
By Alex Hollings 07.02.2018#Military News Email Share Tweet
Amid a slew of headlines regarding the ailing state of the German military, a mishap aboard the FGS Sachsen last week saw an American made SM-2 missile fail to clear its launch tube when fired, creating a spectacular fireball that injured two sailors and caused extensive damage to the ship.
The vessel, accompanied by the German Frigate FGS Lubeck, was conducting routine training operations off the coast of Norway near the Arctic Circle when the crew attempted to fire a Standard Missile (SM) 2 Block IIIA from one of its on-board Mk.41 vertical launch system silos. For reasons that remain unclear, the missile failed to clear the launch tube, resulting is a spectacular fire as the engine burns out. It’s difficult to assess in the footage if the explosion is the result of the engine firing or if the ordnance itself exploded, but in either case, the fire was out after just seconds, but the damage was none the less extensive.
The German Navy has not provided any information thus far that could shed light on the cause of the failure, though in the footage, which was captured by sailors on the nearby FGS Lubeck, it seems clear that something prevented the missile from escaping its silo. Severe as the damage was, had the missile detonated internally, it could potentially have set off the frigates full suite of 32 missiles, resulting in catastrophic damage and likely the loss of the vessel. The Mark 41 silos were designed and built to function even after taking damage, thanks in large part to internal and external armor protections, but the 15-foot-long, 1,500-pound SM-2 could potentially pack enough punch to breach that protection, even without the kinetic force of an impact to help.
Gif produced from video posted on Twitter by @JosephHDempsey
Instead, the bow of the vessel received a severe scorching, as well as the outside of the bridge and the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) launcher. Two sailors were listed as having received “minor injuries” but no further information has been released regarding their duty status.
Damage to the FGS Sachsen’s bow. | German Navy photo
The Standard Missile-2 (or SM-2) is a Raytheon produced platform intended for use as an anti-air weapon. Used in Navies around the world, Raytheon claims to have successfully tested the missile aboard ships 2,700 times. Raytheon had actually halted production of the somewhat dated platform back in 2013, but is the process of restarting manufacturing due to increased demand from American allies in nations like Japan, Span, and Germany.
An SM-2 also exploded during training when launched from the USS The Sullivans in July of 2015. The missile successfully made it out of the tube before detonating however, causing approximately $100,000 worth of damage.
Watch the video below to see the explosion (and to learn some creative German profanity):
Feature image screen capped from YouTube video
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A German Warship Was Scorched By Its Own Missile
The American-made SM-2 air defense missile failed to clear its own silo.
By Kyle Mizokami
Jun 28, 2018
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A German air defense frigate was damaged in a missile-firing incident off the Norwegian coast last week. A SM-2 missile somehow became trapped in its launcher, and the resulting rocket exhaust inflicted serious damage to the ship’s bow. Two German Navy sailors were injured in the incident.
On June 21st the FGS Sachsen, the first of four Type 124 air defense frigates in German Navy service, was attempting to launch a Standard SM-2 air defense missile. The missile rocket motor ignited but the missile failed to clear the Mk.41 vertical launch system silo. An explosion was followed by a short, intense fire as the rocket motor burned. A video of the incident (along with some well-earned swearing in German) was posted to Twitter.
The fire was mostly out within seconds, but the damage was extensive. Two crew members suffered minor injuries in the incident. It’s unknown why the missile stuck in the silo instead of leap skyward, but an investigation is certainly forthcoming. Each SM-2 missile is about 15 feet long and weighs more than 1,500 pounds.
The Sachsen class frigates are designed to intercept enemy missiles and aircraft, and are equipped with 32 Mark 41 vertical launch silos built into the bow, just in front of the bridge. It was there the launch took place, and photos show the exterior of the bridge suffered extensive scorching. The boxy Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) launcher in front of the silo field looks a little brown but otherwise doesn’t appear to have suffered too much.
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As bad as the incident looks, it could have been a lot worse. The explosion and fire could have spread to other missiles in the silo field but did not. The Mark 41 launcher is armored and designed to work even after the ship suffers damage in combat, a factor that almost certainly limited the damage in this incident.
In July 2015 a SM-2 missile exploded shortly after being launched by the guided missile destroyer USS The Sullivans. There were no injuries in the incident.
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A missile misfired and scorched the deck of a German navy frigate
Christopher Woody, Business Insider US
June 28, 2018
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German navy frigate Sachsen after a missile-launch malfunction, June 2018. German navy
The Sachsen, an air-defense frigate, was sailing with sub-hunting frigate Lubeck in a test and practice area near the Arctic Circle in Norwegian waters, according to the German navy.
The Sachsen attempted to fire a Standard Missile 2, or SM-2, from the vertical launch system located in front of the ship’s bridge. The missile did not make it out of the launcher, however, and its rocket burned down while still on board the ship, damaging the deck and injuring two crew members.
Sachsen class frigates are outfitted with 32 Mark 41 vertical launch tubes built into the forward section of the ship. Each SM-2 is about 15 feet long and weighs over 1,500 pounds.
It was not immediately clear why the missile malfunctioned; it had been checked and appeared in “perfect condition,” the German navy said. Another of the same type of missile had been successfully launched beforehand.
While the ship’s deck and bridge were damaged, the effects were likely limited by the design of the Mark 41 launcher, which is armored, according to Popular Mechanics.
The two ships sailed into the Norwegian port of Harstad on June 22 before returning to their homeport in the German city of Wilhelmshaven on the North Sea.
Damage on the vertical launch system aboard the German navy frigate Sachsen, June 2018. German navy
“We have to practice realistically, so that we are ready for action in case of emergency, also for the national and alliance defense,” Vice Adm. Andreas Krause, navy inspector, said in the release. Despite the risks, Krause said, “our crews are highly motivated and ready to do their best.”
Germany’s military has hit a number of setbacks in recent years, like equipment shortages and failures. Dwindling military expertise and a lack of strategic direction for the armed forces have contributed to these problems.
The navy has been no exception. The first Baden-Württemberg frigate, a program thought up in 2005, was delivered in 2016, but the navy has refused to commission it, largely because the centerpiece computer system didn’t pass necessary tests.
At the end of 2017, it was reported that all six of the German navy’s submarines were out of action – four because they were being serviced in shipyards with the other two waiting for berths.
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German Navy Fail: Watch Missile Explode Aboard Frigate During Launch
By David Brennan On 6/28/18 at 11:13 AM
Missile Explodes During German Frigate Training Exercise
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The German navy suffered an embarrassing and perilous training accident on June 21, when a failed missile launch ended up showering one of its frigates with sparks and debris.
The FGS Sachsen was operating off the coast of Norway when the mishap occurred, USNI News reported. Two sailors were lightly injured—but as video of the accident shows, it could have been much worse.
Footage shot from another ship, likely the FGS Lübeck, which accompanied Sachsen on the exercise, showed the front portion of the frigate bathed in flames and smoke as the missile exploded immediately after leaving its launcher. Sailors filming the accident can be heard cursing in shock as a loud bang echoes across the waves.
An SM-2 missile explodes on launch from the German frigate FGS Sachsen off the coast of Norway, on June 21. Two sailors were lightly injured, but it could have been much worse. USNI
Watch: Missile fails to clear launch tube on German Frigate
By Alex Hollings 07.02.2018#Military News Email Share Tweet
Amid a slew of headlines regarding the ailing state of the German military, a mishap aboard the FGS Sachsen last week saw an American made SM-2 missile fail to clear its launch tube when fired, creating a spectacular fireball that injured two sailors and caused extensive damage to the ship.
The vessel, accompanied by the German Frigate FGS Lubeck, was conducting routine training operations off the coast of Norway near the Arctic Circle when the crew attempted to fire a Standard Missile (SM) 2 Block IIIA from one of its on-board Mk.41 vertical launch system silos. For reasons that remain unclear, the missile failed to clear the launch tube, resulting is a spectacular fire as the engine burns out. It’s difficult to assess in the footage if the explosion is the result of the engine firing or if the ordnance itself exploded, but in either case, the fire was out after just seconds, but the damage was none the less extensive.
The German Navy has not provided any information thus far that could shed light on the cause of the failure, though in the footage, which was captured by sailors on the nearby FGS Lubeck, it seems clear that something prevented the missile from escaping its silo. Severe as the damage was, had the missile detonated internally, it could potentially have set off the frigates full suite of 32 missiles, resulting in catastrophic damage and likely the loss of the vessel. The Mark 41 silos were designed and built to function even after taking damage, thanks in large part to internal and external armor protections, but the 15-foot-long, 1,500-pound SM-2 could potentially pack enough punch to breach that protection, even without the kinetic force of an impact to help.
Instead, the bow of the vessel received a severe scorching, as well as the outside of the bridge and the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) launcher. Two sailors were listed as having received “minor injuries” but no further information has been released regarding their duty status.
The Standard Missile-2 (or SM-2) is a Raytheon produced platform intended for use as an anti-air weapon. Used in Navies around the world, Raytheon claims to have successfully tested the missile aboard ships 2,700 times. Raytheon had actually halted production of the somewhat dated platform back in 2013, but is the process of restarting manufacturing due to increased demand from American allies in nations like Japan, Span, and Germany.
An SM-2 also exploded during training when launched from the USS The Sullivans in July of 2015. The missile successfully made it out of the tube before detonating however, causing approximately $100,000 worth of damage.
Watch the video below to see the explosion (and to learn some creative German profanity):
Feature image screen capped from YouTube video
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A German Warship Was Scorched By Its Own Missile
The American-made SM-2 air defense missile failed to clear its own silo.
By Kyle Mizokami
Jun 28, 2018
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TwitterJosephHDempsey
A German air defense frigate was damaged in a missile-firing incident off the Norwegian coast last week. A SM-2 missile somehow became trapped in its launcher, and the resulting rocket exhaust inflicted serious damage to the ship’s bow. Two German Navy sailors were injured in the incident.
On June 21st the FGS Sachsen, the first of four Type 124 air defense frigates in German Navy service, was attempting to launch a Standard SM-2 air defense missile. The missile rocket motor ignited but the missile failed to clear the Mk.41 vertical launch system silo. An explosion was followed by a short, intense fire as the rocket motor burned. A video of the incident (along with some well-earned swearing in German) was posted to Twitter.
The fire was mostly out within seconds, but the damage was extensive. Two crew members suffered minor injuries in the incident. It’s unknown why the missile stuck in the silo instead of leap skyward, but an investigation is certainly forthcoming. Each SM-2 missile is about 15 feet long and weighs more than 1,500 pounds.
The Sachsen class frigates are designed to intercept enemy missiles and aircraft, and are equipped with 32 Mark 41 vertical launch silos built into the bow, just in front of the bridge. It was there the launch took place, and photos show the exterior of the bridge suffered extensive scorching. The boxy Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) launcher in front of the silo field looks a little brown but otherwise doesn’t appear to have suffered too much.
As bad as the incident looks, it could have been a lot worse. The explosion and fire could have spread to other missiles in the silo field but did not. The Mark 41 launcher is armored and designed to work even after the ship suffers damage in combat, a factor that almost certainly limited the damage in this incident.
In July 2015 a SM-2 missile exploded shortly after being launched by the guided missile destroyer USS The Sullivans. There were no injuries in the incident.
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A missile misfired and scorched the deck of a German navy frigate
Christopher Woody, Business Insider US
June 28, 2018
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- A missile fired by German navy frigate Sachsen earlier this month failed to exit the tube, scorching the deck.
- Two crew members were injured, and the ship has returned to homeport.
- The German military has had a number of issues in recent years, including equipment shortages and failures.
The Sachsen, an air-defense frigate, was sailing with sub-hunting frigate Lubeck in a test and practice area near the Arctic Circle in Norwegian waters, according to the German navy.
The Sachsen attempted to fire a Standard Missile 2, or SM-2, from the vertical launch system located in front of the ship’s bridge. The missile did not make it out of the launcher, however, and its rocket burned down while still on board the ship, damaging the deck and injuring two crew members.
“We were standing in front of a glistening and glowing hot wall of fire,” the ship’s captain, Thomas Hacken, said in a German navy release.
Sachsen class frigates are outfitted with 32 Mark 41 vertical launch tubes built into the forward section of the ship. Each SM-2 is about 15 feet long and weighs over 1,500 pounds.
It was not immediately clear why the missile malfunctioned; it had been checked and appeared in “perfect condition,” the German navy said. Another of the same type of missile had been successfully launched beforehand.
While the ship’s deck and bridge were damaged, the effects were likely limited by the design of the Mark 41 launcher, which is armored, according to Popular Mechanics.
The two ships sailed into the Norwegian port of Harstad on June 22 before returning to their homeport in the German city of Wilhelmshaven on the North Sea.
Damage on the vertical launch system aboard the German navy frigate Sachsen, June 2018. German navy
“We have to practice realistically, so that we are ready for action in case of emergency, also for the national and alliance defense,” Vice Adm. Andreas Krause, navy inspector, said in the release. Despite the risks, Krause said, “our crews are highly motivated and ready to do their best.”
Germany’s military has hit a number of setbacks in recent years, like equipment shortages and failures. Dwindling military expertise and a lack of strategic direction for the armed forces have contributed to these problems.
The navy has been no exception. The first Baden-Württemberg frigate, a program thought up in 2005, was delivered in 2016, but the navy has refused to commission it, largely because the centerpiece computer system didn’t pass necessary tests.
At the end of 2017, it was reported that all six of the German navy’s submarines were out of action – four because they were being serviced in shipyards with the other two waiting for berths.
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German Navy Fail: Watch Missile Explode Aboard Frigate During Launch
By David Brennan On 6/28/18 at 11:13 AM
Missile Explodes During German Frigate Training Exercise
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The German navy suffered an embarrassing and perilous training accident on June 21, when a failed missile launch ended up showering one of its frigates with sparks and debris.
The FGS Sachsen was operating off the coast of Norway when the mishap occurred, USNI News reported. Two sailors were lightly injured—but as video of the accident shows, it could have been much worse.
Footage shot from another ship, likely the FGS Lübeck, which accompanied Sachsen on the exercise, showed the front portion of the frigate bathed in flames and smoke as the missile exploded immediately after leaving its launcher. Sailors filming the accident can be heard cursing in shock as a loud bang echoes across the waves.
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NATO reported before that German Army lack many basic equipments and weapons in NATO audit. Soldiers lack winter warm clothes. Been owed over time salaries. Combat vehicles lack machine guns and substituted with black painted broomsticks!
Now whole German Air Force don't even have 10 functional combat aircrafts!
Putin can crush whole Europe within few hours!
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Only 4 of Germany's 128 Eurofighter jets combat ready — report
The report is the latest to cast doubt on Germany's military capabilities and readiness. It raises questions of whether Germany is really meeting its NATO commitments.
Only a handful of the German Air Force's Eurofighter jets are combat ready, according to a report in the magazine Der Spiegel published Wednesday.
Due to a technical problem with the defense system of the combat aircraft only 10 of the Luftwaffe's 128 Eurofighters are mission ready, according to the report.
The problem stems from a cooling liquid leak in the aircraft's wing pod sensors, which are used to recognize hostile jets or incoming attacks. Without the defense system the Eurofighter jets are not combat ready.
The shortage of aircraft means that Germany is unable to fulfill its NATO obligations to have 82 combat ready jets for crisis situations.
Read more: How does Germany contribute to NATO?
The wing pod issue is only one problem facing the Luftwaffe. Der Spiegel reported that there are only enough missiles to make only four Eurofigher jets ready for combat.
The German military confirmed to Der Spiegel the technical problems with the Eurofighter, but would not comment on the number of combat-ready aircraft, given that this information is classified.
The revelation in Der Spiegel is the latest report to cast doubt on Germany's military readiness and capabilities.
Read more: German military short on tanks for NATO mission
Germany's lack of military readiness 'dramatic,' says Bundeswehr commissioner
Germany's role in NATO
West Germany officially joined the trans-Atlantic alliance in 1955. However, it wasn't until after reunification in 1990 that the German government considered "out of area" missions led by NATO. From peacekeeping to deterrence, Germany's Bundeswehr has since been deployed in several countries across the globe in defense of its allies.
Bosnia: Germany's first NATO mission
In 1995, Germany participated in its first "out of area" NATO mission as part of a UN-mandated peacekeeping mission in Bosnia and Herzegovina. During the deployment, German soldiers joined other NATO member forces to provide security in the wake of the Bosnian War. The peacekeeping mission included more than 60,000 troops from NATO's member states and partners.
Accounting tricks
In a Bundeswehr document provided to the German parliament last year, the military classified 39 of 128 jets as combat ready.
A Bundeswehr spokesperson told Der Spiegel that the "daily actual availability" of the Eurofighter right now is better than last year.
However, Der Spiegel said that the military appeared to count any Eurofighter that can fly as ready, even if they are only available for training or maneuvers without missiles or defense systems.
"These jets are barred from participating in real deployments, such as air patrols in the eastern flank of NATO," Der Spiegelwrote.
NATO reported before that German Army lack many basic equipments and weapons in NATO audit. Soldiers lack winter warm clothes. Been owed over time salaries. Combat vehicles lack machine guns and substituted with black painted broomsticks!
Now whole German Air Force don't even have 10 functional combat aircrafts!
Putin can crush whole Europe within few hours!
https://amp.dw.com/en/only-4-of-germanys-128-eurofighter-jets-combat-ready-report/a-43611873
Only 4 of Germany's 128 Eurofighter jets combat ready — report
The report is the latest to cast doubt on Germany's military capabilities and readiness. It raises questions of whether Germany is really meeting its NATO commitments.
Only a handful of the German Air Force's Eurofighter jets are combat ready, according to a report in the magazine Der Spiegel published Wednesday.
Due to a technical problem with the defense system of the combat aircraft only 10 of the Luftwaffe's 128 Eurofighters are mission ready, according to the report.
The problem stems from a cooling liquid leak in the aircraft's wing pod sensors, which are used to recognize hostile jets or incoming attacks. Without the defense system the Eurofighter jets are not combat ready.
The shortage of aircraft means that Germany is unable to fulfill its NATO obligations to have 82 combat ready jets for crisis situations.
Read more: How does Germany contribute to NATO?
The wing pod issue is only one problem facing the Luftwaffe. Der Spiegel reported that there are only enough missiles to make only four Eurofigher jets ready for combat.
The German military confirmed to Der Spiegel the technical problems with the Eurofighter, but would not comment on the number of combat-ready aircraft, given that this information is classified.
The revelation in Der Spiegel is the latest report to cast doubt on Germany's military readiness and capabilities.
Read more: German military short on tanks for NATO mission
Germany's lack of military readiness 'dramatic,' says Bundeswehr commissioner
Germany's role in NATO
West Germany officially joined the trans-Atlantic alliance in 1955. However, it wasn't until after reunification in 1990 that the German government considered "out of area" missions led by NATO. From peacekeeping to deterrence, Germany's Bundeswehr has since been deployed in several countries across the globe in defense of its allies.
Bosnia: Germany's first NATO mission
In 1995, Germany participated in its first "out of area" NATO mission as part of a UN-mandated peacekeeping mission in Bosnia and Herzegovina. During the deployment, German soldiers joined other NATO member forces to provide security in the wake of the Bosnian War. The peacekeeping mission included more than 60,000 troops from NATO's member states and partners.
Accounting tricks
In a Bundeswehr document provided to the German parliament last year, the military classified 39 of 128 jets as combat ready.
A Bundeswehr spokesperson told Der Spiegel that the "daily actual availability" of the Eurofighter right now is better than last year.
However, Der Spiegel said that the military appeared to count any Eurofighter that can fly as ready, even if they are only available for training or maneuvers without missiles or defense systems.
"These jets are barred from participating in real deployments, such as air patrols in the eastern flank of NATO," Der Spiegelwrote.
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Luftwaffe 'down to four' combat-ready Eurofighters out of 128, as pressure builds over weak defence spending
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German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen and French Minister of the Armed Forces Florence Parly visit the ILA Air Show in Berlin
Only four of Germany’s 128 Eurofighter aircraft are operational and ready for combat in the event of a crisis, it was claimed yesterday (WED), in revelations that will deepen pressure on Germany to live up to its defence commitments.
The remaining aircraft have been grounded by technical problems and a shortage of combat missiles, according to a report in Spiegel magazine.
The alleged problems would leave Germany unable to fulfil its Nato commitments and could weaken the alliance’s air capabilities.
The news came as it emerged that France will sign a deal for a 10-member ‘coalition of the willing’ in June to unite countries with the both the military will and the means to act in Africa.
The coalition will include the UK after Brexit in a move which potentially undermines German desires to reboot European defence under the auspices of the European Union, with EU diplomatic sources confirming that Germany had only reluctantly accepted the initiative.
On Wednesday the German defence ministry confirmed that some of its Eurofighters have are affected by technical issues but said details of how many aircraft remain operational are “classified”.
The problems are the latest in a series of equipment shortages in the German military already causing concern among its Nato allies, but according to the Spiegel report the situation is more serious that previously thought.
Officially, the German air force has 82 Eurofighters available to Nato reaction forces. But the magazine claims the majority are unable to fly combat missions and can only be used for training flights.
All but 10 of the fighters are suffering from serious issues with their automated systems. Cooling fluid is leaking from sensors in the wings that are supposed to detect enemy aircraft, making the sensors unreliable.
The problem could be easily repaired, but engineers are unable to source the necessary parts because the manufacturer has gone out of business.
In addition to this, the air force only has enough missiles to arm four of the Eurofighters for combat.
“The armed forces are currently fulfilling all their operational obligations,” a military spokesman said in a statement.
But Spiegel quoted an unnamed source as claiming Germany is hiding behind the fact there are currently no Nato operations in need of the aircraft. “We can say with a good conscience that large parts of our forces are ready for operations because there are no operations,” the source said.
The claims came as Angela Merkel’s coalition government clashed over defence spending yesterday (WED).
Olaf Scholz, the finance minister, presented plans to the cabinet to increase defence spending by €2.5bn (£2.2bn) over the next three years.
But the amount fell short of the €12bn (£10.5bn)the defence ministry says it needs to address equipment shortages, and Ursula von der Leyen, the defence minister, released a statement describing it as “far from enough”.
Mrs Merkel has come under pressure to increase military spending to meet Nato’s target of 2 per cent of GDP as Donald Trump calls for Europe to pay more towards the cost of its own defence.
But under the plans outlined by Mr Scholz the German defence budget would be only 1.23 per cent of GDP in 2022, based on current growth forecasts.
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Only four of Germany’s 128 Eurofighter aircraft are operational and ready for combat in the event of a crisis, it was claimed yesterday (WED), in revelations that will deepen pressure on Germany to live up to its defence commitments.
The remaining aircraft have been grounded by technical problems and a shortage of combat missiles, according to a report in Spiegel magazine.
The alleged problems would leave Germany unable to fulfil its Nato commitments and could weaken the alliance’s air capabilities.
The news came as it emerged that France will sign a deal for a 10-member ‘coalition of the willing’ in June to unite countries with the both the military will and the means to act in Africa.
The coalition will include the UK after Brexit in a move which potentially undermines German desires to reboot European defence under the auspices of the European Union, with EU diplomatic sources confirming that Germany had only reluctantly accepted the initiative.
On Wednesday the German defence ministry confirmed that some of its Eurofighters have are affected by technical issues but said details of how many aircraft remain operational are “classified”.
The problems are the latest in a series of equipment shortages in the German military already causing concern among its Nato allies, but according to the Spiegel report the situation is more serious that previously thought.
Officially, the German air force has 82 Eurofighters available to Nato reaction forces. But the magazine claims the majority are unable to fly combat missions and can only be used for training flights.
All but 10 of the fighters are suffering from serious issues with their automated systems. Cooling fluid is leaking from sensors in the wings that are supposed to detect enemy aircraft, making the sensors unreliable.
The problem could be easily repaired, but engineers are unable to source the necessary parts because the manufacturer has gone out of business.
In addition to this, the air force only has enough missiles to arm four of the Eurofighters for combat.
“The armed forces are currently fulfilling all their operational obligations,” a military spokesman said in a statement.
But Spiegel quoted an unnamed source as claiming Germany is hiding behind the fact there are currently no Nato operations in need of the aircraft. “We can say with a good conscience that large parts of our forces are ready for operations because there are no operations,” the source said.
The claims came as Angela Merkel’s coalition government clashed over defence spending yesterday (WED).
Olaf Scholz, the finance minister, presented plans to the cabinet to increase defence spending by €2.5bn (£2.2bn) over the next three years.
But the amount fell short of the €12bn (£10.5bn)the defence ministry says it needs to address equipment shortages, and Ursula von der Leyen, the defence minister, released a statement describing it as “far from enough”.
Mrs Merkel has come under pressure to increase military spending to meet Nato’s target of 2 per cent of GDP as Donald Trump calls for Europe to pay more towards the cost of its own defence.
But under the plans outlined by Mr Scholz the German defence budget would be only 1.23 per cent of GDP in 2022, based on current growth forecasts.
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Germany has a 'massive problem' that has reportedly knocked almost all of its Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets out of commission
Thomson ReutersA German Eurofighter Typhoon takes off from Amari air base, Estonia, March 2, 2017.
The German air force is dealing with a "massive problem" that has left all but four of its 128 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets unavailable for combat missions, according to a May 2 report by German news outlet Spiegel.
German engineers are worried about the jets' DASS defense system, which warns pilots of potential attack, because of cooling liquid seen leaking from the wingtip pod that contains sensors. The problem appeared about six months ago.
The problem centers on a specific component, called a "grease nipple," that is part of the system that cools the wingtip pods. Technicians were able to replace the malfunctioning pods, according to Spiegel, but supplies of the component are limited because the primary supplier needs to be recertified after a change in its ownership.
Without that system, the jets aren't able to carry out missions. At the moment, according to the report, only about 10 of German's Typhoons are able to start missions.
The Luftwaffe's Eurofighter readiness issues are compounded by a lack of air-combat missiles. Because of that shortfall, only four of the fighters are currently ready for combat missions, according to Spiegel.
Tech Sgt. Michael HolzworthA German Eurofighter Typhoon taxis at Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska, June 11, 2012.
German officials disputed the report.
Defence Ministry spokesman Col. Holger Neumann said the air force could meet its military requirements despite the issue with components needed for the self-protection system and that the military hoped to resolve the component issue in the near future.
"We hope to get this problem under control in several weeks or months," Neumann said, declining to say how many Eurofighters had been affected by the lack of spare parts. The Defense Ministry did say that the supply problem could make existing problems with the fighters' readiness worse, but did not elaborate.
Sources with knowledge of the issue also denied that only 10 Eurofighter jets were available for the Luftwaffe, pointing out that at least 14 jets are currently in service around the world.
REUTERS/Fabian BimmerGerman army personnel board an air force Airbus A400M aircraft at a Bundeswehr air base in Jagel, northern Germany, December 10, 2015.
Spiegel also described German government statements about fighter readiness as misleading.
The Luftwaffe counts all Eurofighter jets that are able to fly as available, including ones without functioning self-defense systems, according to the report.
Those jets can be used for training but not for NATO operations like air-policing missions over eastern Europe.
Germany has also registered 82 Eurofighters with NATO's High Readiness Force and Force of Lower Readiness.
Those designations put the fighters at NATO's disposal within certain periods. For the HRF, the fighters should be available in between zero and 90 days. FLR assets should be available in between 91 and 180 days.
But, according to Spiegel, since there are no current operational requests, Germany can say its forces are in compliance with NATO obligations.
"We can say with a good conscience that large parts of the force are ready for use because there is currently no mission," a source told Spiegel.
Equipment shortages and hardware problems
The issues facing the Eurofighters are not Germany's only military-readiness problem - they're not even Germany's only fighter-jet problem.
REUTERS/Fabian BimmerGerman Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen in front of a Tornado aircraft during a visit to the German airbase in Jagel, near the German-Danish border, August 17, 2016.
A report seen by Spiegel at the end of March found that Germany's Tornado fighter jets may not be able to join NATO missions because of technological deficiencies - including a lack of NATO friend-or-foe identification systems meant to prevent the alliance's jets from engaging each other.
Elsewhere in the German air force, only five of 16 A400M transport planes were ready for use as of February, and previous reports have found numerous issues with the service's fighters. None of the German navy's six submarines are combat-ready and just nine of 15 frigates are in full service. Moreover, only 95 of the army's 244 tanks are operational.
The issues stem in part from Germany's military and defense budget, which has steadily fallen since the end of the Cold War.
Berlin also drew down its forces in 2011 to focus on asymmetrical warfare. German troop numbers have shrunk - some 21,000 officer positions are vacant, which adds to readiness woes. It reversed course years later, in response to Russian action in Ukraine and renewed concerns about conventional warfare, but much of the equipment it shed has to be reacquired.
'Germany isolates itself'
REUTERS/Fabian BimmerGerman Chancellor Angela Merkel meets German military personnel at an army barracks in Leer, Ostfriesland, Germany, December 7, 2015.
German's military budget has become one of the first internal disputes for the new coalition government headed by Angela Merkel, who leads the conservative Christian Democratic Union.
Olaf Scholz, the new finance minister from the CDU's junior coalition partner, the Social Democratic Party, presented a 2018 budget that only offered the Defense Ministry half the money it requested, focusing instead on domestic measures and seeking to avoid additional debt.
Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen and Development Minister Gerd Muller both submitted written objections about the budget. Von der Leyen wants to shift the German military's focus to national and international security, turning away from the past decade's emphasis on overseas deployment.
The budget clash highlights the differing views on defense strategy held by the CDU and the SDP.
"Germany isolates itself with such an emphasis on domestic issues," Christian Mölling, an analyst with the German Council on Foreign Relations, told Defense News. "We see here the left wing of the SPD pushing its positions."
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Germany has a 'massive problem' that has reportedly knocked almost all of its Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets out of commission
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- May 4, 2018, 6:23 PM ET
- The vast majority of German Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets are reportedly not combat ready.
- It's the latest report of deficiencies knocking German military equipment out of commission.
- Germany's military has been plagued with such problems, and the government is debating whether to increase the defense budget to address them.
The German air force is dealing with a "massive problem" that has left all but four of its 128 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets unavailable for combat missions, according to a May 2 report by German news outlet Spiegel.
German engineers are worried about the jets' DASS defense system, which warns pilots of potential attack, because of cooling liquid seen leaking from the wingtip pod that contains sensors. The problem appeared about six months ago.
The problem centers on a specific component, called a "grease nipple," that is part of the system that cools the wingtip pods. Technicians were able to replace the malfunctioning pods, according to Spiegel, but supplies of the component are limited because the primary supplier needs to be recertified after a change in its ownership.
Without that system, the jets aren't able to carry out missions. At the moment, according to the report, only about 10 of German's Typhoons are able to start missions.
The Luftwaffe's Eurofighter readiness issues are compounded by a lack of air-combat missiles. Because of that shortfall, only four of the fighters are currently ready for combat missions, according to Spiegel.
German officials disputed the report.
Defence Ministry spokesman Col. Holger Neumann said the air force could meet its military requirements despite the issue with components needed for the self-protection system and that the military hoped to resolve the component issue in the near future.
"We hope to get this problem under control in several weeks or months," Neumann said, declining to say how many Eurofighters had been affected by the lack of spare parts. The Defense Ministry did say that the supply problem could make existing problems with the fighters' readiness worse, but did not elaborate.
Sources with knowledge of the issue also denied that only 10 Eurofighter jets were available for the Luftwaffe, pointing out that at least 14 jets are currently in service around the world.
Spiegel also described German government statements about fighter readiness as misleading.
The Luftwaffe counts all Eurofighter jets that are able to fly as available, including ones without functioning self-defense systems, according to the report.
Those jets can be used for training but not for NATO operations like air-policing missions over eastern Europe.
Germany has also registered 82 Eurofighters with NATO's High Readiness Force and Force of Lower Readiness.
Those designations put the fighters at NATO's disposal within certain periods. For the HRF, the fighters should be available in between zero and 90 days. FLR assets should be available in between 91 and 180 days.
But, according to Spiegel, since there are no current operational requests, Germany can say its forces are in compliance with NATO obligations.
"We can say with a good conscience that large parts of the force are ready for use because there is currently no mission," a source told Spiegel.
Equipment shortages and hardware problems
The issues facing the Eurofighters are not Germany's only military-readiness problem - they're not even Germany's only fighter-jet problem.
A report seen by Spiegel at the end of March found that Germany's Tornado fighter jets may not be able to join NATO missions because of technological deficiencies - including a lack of NATO friend-or-foe identification systems meant to prevent the alliance's jets from engaging each other.
Elsewhere in the German air force, only five of 16 A400M transport planes were ready for use as of February, and previous reports have found numerous issues with the service's fighters. None of the German navy's six submarines are combat-ready and just nine of 15 frigates are in full service. Moreover, only 95 of the army's 244 tanks are operational.
The issues stem in part from Germany's military and defense budget, which has steadily fallen since the end of the Cold War.
Berlin also drew down its forces in 2011 to focus on asymmetrical warfare. German troop numbers have shrunk - some 21,000 officer positions are vacant, which adds to readiness woes. It reversed course years later, in response to Russian action in Ukraine and renewed concerns about conventional warfare, but much of the equipment it shed has to be reacquired.
'Germany isolates itself'
German's military budget has become one of the first internal disputes for the new coalition government headed by Angela Merkel, who leads the conservative Christian Democratic Union.
Olaf Scholz, the new finance minister from the CDU's junior coalition partner, the Social Democratic Party, presented a 2018 budget that only offered the Defense Ministry half the money it requested, focusing instead on domestic measures and seeking to avoid additional debt.
Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen and Development Minister Gerd Muller both submitted written objections about the budget. Von der Leyen wants to shift the German military's focus to national and international security, turning away from the past decade's emphasis on overseas deployment.
The budget clash highlights the differing views on defense strategy held by the CDU and the SDP.
"Germany isolates itself with such an emphasis on domestic issues," Christian Mölling, an analyst with the German Council on Foreign Relations, told Defense News. "We see here the left wing of the SPD pushing its positions."
SEE ALSO: NATO is boosting its armor in Europe — and US tanks just marched on German roads for the first time in 15 years
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美媒：德空军正缓慢走向死亡 战机仅10架能战
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原标题：美媒称德国空军正缓慢走向死亡：战机仅10架能战
据美国《国家利益》双月刊网站7月7日报道称，美国总统特朗普让欧洲为自身防务承担更多责任的目标可能要落空。
因为，如果德国最先进的战机甚至都不能飞行，那么美国缩减对欧洲北约盟国军事承诺的举动怎么可能不削弱这一西方安全联盟呢？
报道援引德国《明镜》周刊的消息称，德国空军的128架“台风”战机不适合飞行。
《明镜》周刊称，实际上，这些战机仅有大约10架处于战备状态。这引发了对德国兑现其北约防务承诺的质疑。
图为德国空军装备的“台风”战斗机
《明镜》周刊称：“问题很复杂……简单来说，所有欧洲战斗机公司战机的机翼上都有一个传感器，可以察觉敌机或敌方袭击，并向飞行员发出警报。大约半年前，德方发现传感器单元不能正常冷却。因为传感器单元对自我保护系统非常重要，所有军事飞行都必须开启该单元，所以可执行军事任务的战机数量减少。”
《明镜》周刊称，此外，“尽管技术人员可以替换机翼上有缺陷的传感器单元，但他们需要一种特殊零件密封冷却循环系统。然而，目前无法获得这种零件，因为零件制造商已被出售。”
报道称，“台风”战机1994年首飞，由英国、德国、意大利和西班牙跨国合作研制而成。该战机主要被当做一款近距离空中格斗机，而非类似美国F-22战机和F-35战机的隐形战机。上述4个国家的空军都在使用“台风”战机，包括沙特在内的数个海湾国家也曾订购“台风”战机。
据《明镜》周刊报道，关于“台风”战机的战备状态，至少德国一直在敷衍了事。《明镜》周刊称：“德国空军把所有被允许飞行的欧洲战斗机公司战机均算为可使用的战机。但是，这包括许多缺少正常运转的自我保护系统的战机。这些战机机翼上可能装有模拟传感器单元，用于训练飞行或演习。对于真正的军事任务，例如在北约东翼执行领空监视任务，这些战机都被排除在外。”
报道评论称，如果这些报道属实，那么对德国而言确实非常尴尬。但这对美国来说也是一个问题。特朗普政府已明确表示，美方希望欧洲承担更多自身防务开支而非依赖美国。“台风”战机是德国空中力量的支柱。
德国也是欧洲的经济动力源。如果连德国都无法维持一支可靠的空军，欧洲还有谁可以被依赖？特别是在处于脱欧进程中的英国不太可能参与欧洲共同防务的情况下。
报道认为，事实是，德国是欧洲的关键，欧洲是牵制俄罗斯的力量。如果欧洲不能维持自身的空中力量，那么美国将难以退出欧洲防务。如果欧洲的战机不能飞行，那么欧洲就无法对对手构成可信的威胁。
美媒：德空军正缓慢走向死亡 战机仅10架能战
07月10日 13:26关注
原标题：美媒称德国空军正缓慢走向死亡：战机仅10架能战
据美国《国家利益》双月刊网站7月7日报道称，美国总统特朗普让欧洲为自身防务承担更多责任的目标可能要落空。
因为，如果德国最先进的战机甚至都不能飞行，那么美国缩减对欧洲北约盟国军事承诺的举动怎么可能不削弱这一西方安全联盟呢？
报道援引德国《明镜》周刊的消息称，德国空军的128架“台风”战机不适合飞行。
《明镜》周刊称，实际上，这些战机仅有大约10架处于战备状态。这引发了对德国兑现其北约防务承诺的质疑。
图为德国空军装备的“台风”战斗机《明镜》周刊称：“问题很复杂……简单来说，所有欧洲战斗机公司战机的机翼上都有一个传感器，可以察觉敌机或敌方袭击，并向飞行员发出警报。大约半年前，德方发现传感器单元不能正常冷却。因为传感器单元对自我保护系统非常重要，所有军事飞行都必须开启该单元，所以可执行军事任务的战机数量减少。”
《明镜》周刊称，此外，“尽管技术人员可以替换机翼上有缺陷的传感器单元，但他们需要一种特殊零件密封冷却循环系统。然而，目前无法获得这种零件，因为零件制造商已被出售。”
报道称，“台风”战机1994年首飞，由英国、德国、意大利和西班牙跨国合作研制而成。该战机主要被当做一款近距离空中格斗机，而非类似美国F-22战机和F-35战机的隐形战机。上述4个国家的空军都在使用“台风”战机，包括沙特在内的数个海湾国家也曾订购“台风”战机。
据《明镜》周刊报道，关于“台风”战机的战备状态，至少德国一直在敷衍了事。《明镜》周刊称：“德国空军把所有被允许飞行的欧洲战斗机公司战机均算为可使用的战机。但是，这包括许多缺少正常运转的自我保护系统的战机。这些战机机翼上可能装有模拟传感器单元，用于训练飞行或演习。对于真正的军事任务，例如在北约东翼执行领空监视任务，这些战机都被排除在外。”
报道评论称，如果这些报道属实，那么对德国而言确实非常尴尬。但这对美国来说也是一个问题。特朗普政府已明确表示，美方希望欧洲承担更多自身防务开支而非依赖美国。“台风”战机是德国空中力量的支柱。
德国也是欧洲的经济动力源。如果连德国都无法维持一支可靠的空军，欧洲还有谁可以被依赖？特别是在处于脱欧进程中的英国不太可能参与欧洲共同防务的情况下。
报道认为，事实是，德国是欧洲的关键，欧洲是牵制俄罗斯的力量。如果欧洲不能维持自身的空中力量，那么美国将难以退出欧洲防务。如果欧洲的战机不能飞行，那么欧洲就无法对对手构成可信的威胁。
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Gone are the Nazi days. Back then their technology worked.
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clear case of sabotage by dotard..... this will happen to RSAF and RSN when dotard comes after Pinkie on stealing american jobs n trade deficit
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It's not quite secret now... German Military is dead. Nothing works, and we have no funds to fix so many problems. EU made us bankrupted. If Putin whacked us, we will be gone instantly.
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V2 Glory of Germany! In the WHOLE WORLD ONLY HITLER had these, all others got no missiles. Hitler whack these into UK until Winston Churchill's pants soiled full of shit. Air Raid Sirens day & night, all the British Rats hide in bomb shelters.
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