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German virologist: Covid-19 is less deadly than feared

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https://unherd.com/thepost/german-virologist-finds-covid-fatality-rate-of-0-24-0-36/

German virologist: Covid-19 is less deadly than feared - The Post


The deadliness of Covid-19, measured by the “Infected Fatality Rate” or what percentage of infected people end up dying, has become an issue of global significance.
At UnHerd, we’ve spoken to experts at both ends of the range of estimates, from Neil Ferguson (who believes the IFR to be just under 1%, perhaps 0.8-0.9%) to Johan Giesecke who maintains that it is nearer 0.1%, or one in a thousand.

This may sound like splitting hairs — they are both under one percent after all — but in reality the difference between these estimates changes everything. At the lower end, a much more laissez-faire policy becomes possible, and at 30,000 deaths it starts to look like the UK has already been through the worst of it; at the higher end, a policy of continued ultra-caution is necessary because a more relaxed approach could mean hundreds of thousands of additional deaths.

That’s why the study conducted by Professor Hendrik Streeck of the University of Bonn is so significant: a representative sample population within Germany was tested and examined in great detail to determine what percentage had already been infected with Covid-19.

The headline result is that 15% of that population was infected, which implies an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.36%. This would put him somewhat in the middle of the previous experts we have spoken to. Professor Streeck was keen to point out, however, that he still believes this is a conservative estimate, and thinks it may be closer to 0.24-0.26% and may come down further still as we know more. He published the higher number to err on the side of caution: “it is more important to have the most conservative estimate and see the virus as more dangerous than it is,” he said.

To show just how significant every percentage point difference makes, if the 0.36% is correct for the UK, and we have had 30,000 Covid-19 deaths, that would mean around 8.3 million people have been infected, or 12.5% of the population — not enough to start feeling confident of much immunity in the community. If the lower estimate is correct, 0.24%, and there has actually been closer to 50,000 Covid-19 deaths (as per the FT’s speculations) then that figure suddenly rises to over 20 million, which at around a third of the population would fundamentally change the calculus of how bold we can be coming out of lockdown.

LOCKDOWN CAME ‘TOO FAST’

Contrary to the main critique of the UK government, that it was too slow in implementing lockdown, Professor Streeck feels that lockdown measures were introduced too fast, meaning that we didn’t have enough time to assess whether the individual components (such as better hygiene and some social distancing) were sufficient to slow the spread.

He also places great emphasis on the viral load that you are initially exposed to as a determinant of how serious your infection becomes, and has noticed the importance of ‘super-spreading events’ in spreading the disease. These tend to be indoor events with bad circulation, and people dancing or being close together, singing, shouting or (in the case of one of the German carnivals he studied) kissing.

This means that, in Professor Streeck’s view, a more feasible approach than attempting to suppress the virus completely until a vaccine (which he is not confident will arrive), allowing the gradual spread of the disease with lower doses, through continued hygiene measures, could lead to a widespread of partial immunity. This would eventually have the effect of downgrading Covid-19 to just another virus that circulates within the human population but, like influenza and other coronaviruses, is a manageable ongoing threat.

I am convinced that we are not going to get rid of SARS-COV-2, so it is going to become an endemic virus — which means it is going to live in our population, and we have to start living with it and find measures so that people are not dying of it but at the same time we can achieve normality.


- Prof Hendrik Streeck
 
Well said. This scaremongering has to stop! China started this and because they messed up, caused a scare that stopped the planet.
British scientist could be right that the virus was already in the midst since September, but it started further south.. So why are cities like Guangdong, nanning and Shenzhen unaffected?
 
What all these experts say does not reflect what is happening on the ground.
To have 70k people die of covid-19 (how many more not counted because they didn't die in the hospital) over a period of two months in the US is SIGNIFICANT.
 
Those 70k people are going to die anyway. It's just a matter of time with or without covid.
 
This means that, in Professor Streeck’s view, a more feasible approach than attempting to suppress the virus completely until a vaccine (which he is not confident will arrive), allowing the gradual spread of the disease with lower doses, through continued hygiene measures, could lead to a widespread of partial immunity. This would eventually have the effect of downgrading Covid-19 to just another virus that circulates within the human population but, like influenza and other coronaviruses, is a manageable ongoing threat.

I am convinced that we are not going to get rid of SARS-COV-2, so it is going to become an endemic virus — which means it is going to live in our population, and we have to start living with it and find measures so that people are not dying of it but at the same time we can achieve normality.


- Prof Hendrik Streeck


I don't know what kind of professor is this. So he is saying that lockdown in the UK occurred too quickly because there wasn't enough time to study the virus in more detail first? That sounds extremely caviler about human life and suffering and ignores the fact that the UK govt has already been criticized as having acted too slowly, resulting in thousands of otherwise preventable deaths. In a dynamic situation where the virus is completely new to the human race, prudence is dictated. What a quack.

But the thing I do agree is that the WuFlu will become endemic, which means mankind will have to accept it as part of the seasonal flu pattern and stop responding to outbreaks with lockdowns or movement control orders.
 
it is said in USA when one died now, the authorities don't really bother to check the cause, they just listed it as wuhan virus. that's why the USA WV death rates seem extremely high.
 
I don't know what kind of professor is this. So he is saying that lockdown in the UK occurred too quickly because there wasn't enough time to study the virus in more detail first? That sounds extremely caviler about human life and suffering and ignores the fact that the UK govt has already been criticized as having acted too slowly, resulting in thousands of otherwise preventable deaths. In a dynamic situation where the virus is completely new to the human race, prudence is dictated. What a quack.

But the thing I do agree is that the WuFlu will become endemic, which means mankind will have to accept it as part of the seasonal flu pattern and stop responding to outbreaks with lockdowns or movement control orders.
This is the type of hindsight academic bullshitter who teaches.

Those who can do. Those who can't teach.
 
If it is not deadly, then why many countries lockdown.???

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What all these experts say does not reflect what is happening on the ground.
To have 70k people die of covid-19 (how many more not counted because they didn't die in the hospital) over a period of two months in the US is SIGNIFICANT.



People like Leongsam will counter than in a flu season which lasts 3 months, the death rate can also be as high as 80,000.

I think the point here is that this is a new virus, you simply have no way of knowing whether your death toll is going to stop at 70,000, or 80,000, or go even higher. Hence, prudence is advised.

Case is point is Italy which had a 10% death rate. That's far higher than any common influenza. The R0 for the Wuflu is also exceeding 3, pushing at 4! Let me know if any of the HxNy strains have such a high R0.

And governments don't have the luxury of letting the Wuflu run its course before pronouncing judgment, because of the risk that you overwhelm the healthcare system. Not to mention that all govts would want to protect lives and not become accused to allowing an unnecessary amount of deaths
 
German virologist: Covid-19 is less deadly than feared - The Post

the german virologist should perform some tests on syedshit Putra jibye foul mouth to find out what type of virus
is causing the filth in it's mouth.
It's could be equally deadly , as it had affected syed
shit putra small brain..

I am convinced that we are not going to get rid of SARS-COV-2, so it is going to become an endemic virus — which means it is going to live in our population, and we have to start living with it and find measures so that people are not dying of it but at the same time we can achieve normality.

- Prof Hendrik Streeck

i am convinced too that the virologist would find an endemic disease among all the jibye mouths - which means all these jibye mouths are going to live in our population , and we have to start living with it and find measures so that people will just get used to their foul breath but at the same time we can achieve normality.
 
it works like a vaccine if 69% of population are infected but have zero to mild symptoms, allowing time for bodies to build immunity. but if there are 6.9 super spreaders like tanwahtiu, laotze, tun_dr_m, tonytan, democracy my butt, war is best form of peace, taksinloong, etc. posting pro-ccp crap, they can infect all with high viral loads like drowning the lungs in the forum, and we’re all screwed.
 
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Italy has a 10% death rate. (I am rounding down, by the way)

Let me know if the common influenza had such a death rate before.


That's the case death rate. The true infection mortality rate is unknown yet and will take some time before it is accurately established.
 
One Word - Mutation :thumbsdown::wink:

Eg : Durian - There are 30 recognised Durio species , at least nine of which produce edible fruit, with over 300 named varieties in Indonesia, 100 in Thailand and 100 in Malaysia and more than 10 in Singapore. :thumbsdown:
 
Italy has a 10% death rate. (I am rounding down, by the way)

Let me know if the common influenza had such a death rate before.
the german virologist should perform some tests on syedshit Putra jibye foul mouth to find out what type of virus
is causing the filth in it's mouth.
It's could be equally deadly , as it had affected syed
shit putra small brain..

The virus is everywhere and most likely even on this small island infected maybe close to a million by now. Its infectious because most if those infected did not know they have it and unknowingly pass it to the eldely parents like in italy and spain which caused the high fatality number.
If you catch a flu, you will fall sick. But not if you caught the covid.
The covid causes the body to screw up by attaching itself to the ace 2 receptors causing our body to produce poisonous gas and blood vessel blockage.

 
The virus is everywhere and most likely even on this small island infected maybe close to a million by now. Its infectious because most if those infected did not know they have it and unknowingly pass it to the eldely parents like in italy and spain which caused the high fatality number.
If you catch a flu, you will fall sick. But not if you caught the covid.
The covid causes the body to screw up by attaching itself to the ace 2 receptors causing our body to produce poisonous gas and blood vessel blockage.

precisely , you suffering from some form of mental illness and you do not know it. go consult a psychiatrist asap.
 
That's the case death rate. The true infection mortality rate is unknown yet and will take some time before it is accurately established.


I don't think the case death rate of common influenza has ever hit 10% unless you restrict to those above 70 or 80
 
unherd.com

https://unherd.com/thepost/german-virologist-finds-covid-fatality-rate-of-0-24-0-36/

German virologist: Covid-19 is less deadly than feared - The Post


The deadliness of Covid-19, measured by the “Infected Fatality Rate” or what percentage of infected people end up dying, has become an issue of global significance.
At UnHerd, we’ve spoken to experts at both ends of the range of estimates, from Neil Ferguson (who believes the IFR to be just under 1%, perhaps 0.8-0.9%) to Johan Giesecke who maintains that it is nearer 0.1%, or one in a thousand.

This may sound like splitting hairs — they are both under one percent after all — but in reality the difference between these estimates changes everything. At the lower end, a much more laissez-faire policy becomes possible, and at 30,000 deaths it starts to look like the UK has already been through the worst of it; at the higher end, a policy of continued ultra-caution is necessary because a more relaxed approach could mean hundreds of thousands of additional deaths.

That’s why the study conducted by Professor Hendrik Streeck of the University of Bonn is so significant: a representative sample population within Germany was tested and examined in great detail to determine what percentage had already been infected with Covid-19.

The headline result is that 15% of that population was infected, which implies an Infection Fatality Rate of 0.36%. This would put him somewhat in the middle of the previous experts we have spoken to. Professor Streeck was keen to point out, however, that he still believes this is a conservative estimate, and thinks it may be closer to 0.24-0.26% and may come down further still as we know more. He published the higher number to err on the side of caution: “it is more important to have the most conservative estimate and see the virus as more dangerous than it is,” he said.

To show just how significant every percentage point difference makes, if the 0.36% is correct for the UK, and we have had 30,000 Covid-19 deaths, that would mean around 8.3 million people have been infected, or 12.5% of the population — not enough to start feeling confident of much immunity in the community. If the lower estimate is correct, 0.24%, and there has actually been closer to 50,000 Covid-19 deaths (as per the FT’s speculations) then that figure suddenly rises to over 20 million, which at around a third of the population would fundamentally change the calculus of how bold we can be coming out of lockdown.

LOCKDOWN CAME ‘TOO FAST’

Contrary to the main critique of the UK government, that it was too slow in implementing lockdown, Professor Streeck feels that lockdown measures were introduced too fast, meaning that we didn’t have enough time to assess whether the individual components (such as better hygiene and some social distancing) were sufficient to slow the spread.

He also places great emphasis on the viral load that you are initially exposed to as a determinant of how serious your infection becomes, and has noticed the importance of ‘super-spreading events’ in spreading the disease. These tend to be indoor events with bad circulation, and people dancing or being close together, singing, shouting or (in the case of one of the German carnivals he studied) kissing.

This means that, in Professor Streeck’s view, a more feasible approach than attempting to suppress the virus completely until a vaccine (which he is not confident will arrive), allowing the gradual spread of the disease with lower doses, through continued hygiene measures, could lead to a widespread of partial immunity. This would eventually have the effect of downgrading Covid-19 to just another virus that circulates within the human population but, like influenza and other coronaviruses, is a manageable ongoing threat.

I am convinced that we are not going to get rid of SARS-COV-2, so it is going to become an endemic virus — which means it is going to live in our population, and we have to start living with it and find measures so that people are not dying of it but at the same time we can achieve normality.


- Prof Hendrik Streeck
Loong was right all along! :eek:
 
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