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George yeo could be getting $2m pension a year

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</TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%"> Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: George yeo could be getting $2m pension a year</TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Dear friends

A lawyer friend (whose name I have with-held) has given me the shocking answer to my query: Do retired ministers receive 50% of their last-drawn pay for life? (scroll down: be sure to read the text in bold especially).

I also attach a copy of the Parliamentary Act so you know I am not making this up.

Please spread this message by cutting and pasting the text below in a new email message and sending it to all your friends.

Some people actually think our ministers only make $40,000 a month, hence are not bothered by our ministers' pay. Some people think it's okay for our ministers to quibble over $30 increase in subsidies to the poor!!

Regards
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DO MINISTERS RECEIVE 50% OF THEIR LAST-DRAWN PAY FOR LIFE?

You friend is wrong about 50%. It is actually as high as 2/3rds. The Parliamentary Pensions Act provides that "office holders" (which means "Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Speaker, Senior Minister, Minister, Senior Minister of State, Minister of State, Mayor, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Parliamentary Secretary or Political Secretary"). If you closed your eyes and threw a stone in Parliament House during a Parliamentary sitting - assuming if, and it is a big if, that everyone attends (which is never the case. Parliamentary sittings are lucky if 50% of MPs attend!) you will hit at least 1 or perhaps 2 with the stone ricocheting PAP chaps entitled to pensions.

Anyhow, back to your question. The Act has a formula for payment of the amount of pension. You start with a numerator of 8 (meaning 8 years of service as office holder) and add 1 for every year of service after that. You divide this number by a fixed denominator of 27, and you stop when the number hits 2/3rds, which means that anyone who has 18 years service will hit maximum pension. The amount that is due to him FOR LIFE is found at section 4:4(2) The annual amount of pension payable to an office-holding Member shall be —(a) in respect of every completed year of reckonable service in any office, or where he has served in
more than one office in each office, at the rate of one-twenty-seventh (1/27) of his annual salary in that
office; and

(b) in respect of any remaining uncompleted year of reckonable service in any office, or where he has
served in more than one office in each office, at the rate of one-three-hundred and twenty-fourth (1/324)
part of his annual salary for each completed month of reckonable service in that office.(2A) The annual pension payable to any office-holding Member under subsection (2) shall not exceed two-thirds
of the highest annual salary of any office held by him.

(3) Subject to sections 13 and 15, a pension granted under this section shall continue for the life of the person to
whom it is payable but shall not be payable in respect of any period during which he is again an office-holding
Member; at the end of that period the pension shall again be payable and shall be re-computed with the addition
of that period to the period of his former reckonable service as an office-holding Member.

(4) For the purposes of subsections (2) and (2A), “annual salary”, in relation to any office, means the annual
equivalent of the highest monthly rate of salary (excluding any non-pensionable allowances) received by an
office-holding Member during any period of reckonable service as a holder of that office.
Astonishing, isn't it that the pension is payable based on the "Highest annual salary of any office held by him" and "highest monthly rate of salary". So, it doesn't matter that the MP was a low ranking parliamentary secretary for 17 years, and then became a multi-million $ minister for 1 year. His pension will be based on 2/3rds of his salary as a minister, as that is his highest annual salary of any office held by him. So, it also doesn't matter that there are occasional reductions in salary during recessions, since their pension is based on their highest annual salary.

On this basis, SM / PM / MM will get 2/3rd x $3 million for the rest of their lives. I understand that if they are eligible for pension and they are still serving, they get both salary plus pension concurrently. (see section 5).

Or did I forget to tell you that pensions are exempt from income tax? This is stated in the Income Tax Act!

It gets better. The Act says that the pension can be commutated. This means that it is paid in 1 lump sum instead of monthly payments for life. The lump sum is equivalent to 175.14 months of pension, i.e. 14.6 years of pension. It doesn't matter that the minister asks for it because he has terminal cancer and has 3 months to live. He will get 14.6 years of pension paid to him in 1 go, and it will be tax free. If MM's pension is based on 2.5 million (conservative estimate), his commutated pension is $36.5 million. Can buy a GCB with it, without any bank loan!

This is a real scandal. I was horrified when Goh Chok Tong proposed recently that ministers serve 8 years only, and new ones come in. It means that the pool of
multi-million dollar pension earners will get bigger and bigger! It will add to the financial burden of future generations of Singaporeans having to pay for the pensions of people who have already been paid too much during their terms of office.

Who in the private sector is entitled to pension? And yet the ministers, etc are collecting tax free pensions on top of their world's highest salaries. Now you know why George Yeo is fighting so hard to keep his job as minister.

Incidentally, Admin Service officers and High Court Judges are still entitled to pensions in the same manner. No one else in the Civil Service gets pensions

http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?92674-Pension-for-the-Elites-Makes-Your-Blood-Boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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SpareTyre

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It keeps getting better!

The more you dig, the more putrid the stench coming out

What Singaporeans should do is:

1. Establish how accurate this email actually is. You want to be as accurate as possible. A proper and full audit is the ideal way to go about it

2. Estimate the cost to the public purse of hiring a George Yeo, which includes
- Earnings and expenses as a PAP politician for 23 years
- Pension as a Brigadier General, plus pension as a minister, assuming he lives to the average Singapore male lifespan of 79.5 years old

What is the full amount? $50 million? $100 million? $120 million?

3. Estimae the cost to the public purse of the Lee clan, which includes
- Earnings and expenses and pension of Lee Kuan Yew as a politician, and in his oversight role of GIC
- Earnings and expenses and pension of Lee Hsien Loong as a politician, general, and oversight role of Temasek
- Earnings and expenses and pension of Ho Ching as CEO of Temasek Holdings
- Total value of government contracts awarded to Mrs Lee Kuan Yew
- Earnings and expenses and pension of assorted Lee relatives like Lee Hsien Yang, Wong Kan Seng, etc

What is the full amount? $1 billion? $2 billion? More?

This country desperately needs a full and rigorous accounting
 
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hairylee

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It keeps getting better!

The more you dig, the more putrid the stench coming out

What Singaporeans should do is:

1. Establish how accurate this email actually is. You want to be as accurate as possible. A proper and full audit is the ideal way to go about it

2. Estimate the cost to the public purse of hiring a George Yeo, which includes
- Earnings and expenses as a PAP politician for 23 years
- Pension as a Brigadier General, plus pension as a minister, assuming he lives to the average Singapore male lifespan of 79.5 years old

What is the full amount? $50 million? $100 million? $120 million?

3. Estimae the cost to the public purse of the Lee clan, which includes
- Earnings and expenses and pension of Lee Kuan Yew as a politician, and in his oversight role of GIC
- Earnings and expenses and pension of Lee Hsien Loong as a politician, general, and oversight role of Temasek
- Earnings and expenses and pension of Ho Ching as CEO of Temasek Holdings
- Total value of government contracts awarded to Mrs Lee Kuan Yew
- Earnings and expenses and pension of assorted Lee relatives like Lee Hsien Yang, Wong Kan Seng, etc

What is the full amount? $1 billion? $2 billion? More?

This country desperately needs a full and rigorous accounting

Now you know why they want to keep oppositions out at all cost.
 

Sleepless

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Actually, they do not need to retire from politics to collect pension. Those above 55 already started collecting BOTH their salary and pensions. Please count how many of them are above 55!!




"Mr Steve Chia Kiah Hong: Clarification from the Minister. Does any serving minister who turns 55 actually receive both salary and pension at the same time? If yes, should he be serving?
Mr Lee Hsien Loong: I believe the answer is yes. That is the rule for the civil service, and the ministers follow the civil service rules."
(Source: Parliamentary Debates, 2004) -
 
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SpareTyre

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I'll bet my car and a bag of chips that this will blow up in the face of PAP

Million dollar salaries for a minister is one thing.

A George Yeo raking in northwards of $100 million at taxpayers expense is quite another
 

SpareTyre

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Does this mean MM Lee has drawn over $50 million in salary and pension over the last 10 years alone? Thats without taking into account other possible renumerated government linked roles, ie GIC.

Actually, they do not need to retire from politics to collect pension. Those above 55 already started collecting BOTH their salary and pensions. Please count how many of them are above 55!!




"Mr Steve Chia Kiah Hong: Clarification from the Minister. Does any serving minister who turns 55 actually receive both salary and pension at the same time? If yes, should he be serving?
Mr Lee Hsien Loong: I believe the answer is yes. That is the rule for the civil service, and the ministers follow the civil service rules."
(Source: Parliamentary Debates, 2004) -
 

aangsc

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It is right that we need more opposition to do a check and balance.
How many MPs within MIW would object to a fatter pension payout that affect themselve when they retire ?
If they continue to propose and decide within the all white gang, the bank will soon be empty , no wonder people in the gang do not want retirement as they are getting both pension and salary , that is really infuriating.
 

SpareTyre

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Steve Chia has done actually a pretty good job as NCMP.


His White Horse question killed a minister's career. This 2004 question may yet finish off PAP's credibility

Actually, they do not need to retire from politics to collect pension. Those above 55 already started collecting BOTH their salary and pensions. Please count how many of them are above 55!!




"Mr Steve Chia Kiah Hong: Clarification from the Minister. Does any serving minister who turns 55 actually receive both salary and pension at the same time? If yes, should he be serving?
Mr Lee Hsien Loong: I believe the answer is yes. That is the rule for the civil service, and the ministers follow the civil service rules."
(Source: Parliamentary Debates, 2004) -
 

Capano2121

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I am still in support of public execution by beheading for these SOBs at padang & all their assets confiscated & return to the national coffer! Period!
 

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</TD><TD class=row1 height=28 vAlign=top width="100%"><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%"> Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: George yeo could be getting $2m pension a year</TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>Dear friends

A lawyer friend (whose name I have with-held) has given me the shocking answer to my query: Do retired ministers receive 50% of their last-drawn pay for life? (scroll down: be sure to read the text in bold especially).

I also attach a copy of the Parliamentary Act so you know I am not making this up.

Please spread this message by cutting and pasting the text below in a new email message and sending it to all your friends.

Some people actually think our ministers only make $40,000 a month, hence are not bothered by our ministers' pay. Some people think it's okay for our ministers to quibble over $30 increase in subsidies to the poor!!

Regards
__________________________________________________ _
DO MINISTERS RECEIVE 50% OF THEIR LAST-DRAWN PAY FOR LIFE?

You friend is wrong about 50%. It is actually as high as 2/3rds. The Parliamentary Pensions Act provides that "office holders" (which means "Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister, Speaker, Senior Minister, Minister, Senior Minister of State, Minister of State, Mayor, Senior Parliamentary Secretary, Parliamentary Secretary or Political Secretary"). If you closed your eyes and threw a stone in Parliament House during a Parliamentary sitting - assuming if, and it is a big if, that everyone attends (which is never the case. Parliamentary sittings are lucky if 50% of MPs attend!) you will hit at least 1 or perhaps 2 with the stone ricocheting PAP chaps entitled to pensions.

Anyhow, back to your question. The Act has a formula for payment of the amount of pension. You start with a numerator of 8 (meaning 8 years of service as office holder) and add 1 for every year of service after that. You divide this number by a fixed denominator of 27, and you stop when the number hits 2/3rds, which means that anyone who has 18 years service will hit maximum pension. The amount that is due to him FOR LIFE is found at section 4:4(2) The annual amount of pension payable to an office-holding Member shall be —(a) in respect of every completed year of reckonable service in any office, or where he has served in
more than one office in each office, at the rate of one-twenty-seventh (1/27) of his annual salary in that
office; and

(b) in respect of any remaining uncompleted year of reckonable service in any office, or where he has
served in more than one office in each office, at the rate of one-three-hundred and twenty-fourth (1/324)
part of his annual salary for each completed month of reckonable service in that office.(2A) The annual pension payable to any office-holding Member under subsection (2) shall not exceed two-thirds
of the highest annual salary of any office held by him.

(3) Subject to sections 13 and 15, a pension granted under this section shall continue for the life of the person to
whom it is payable but shall not be payable in respect of any period during which he is again an office-holding
Member; at the end of that period the pension shall again be payable and shall be re-computed with the addition
of that period to the period of his former reckonable service as an office-holding Member.

(4) For the purposes of subsections (2) and (2A), “annual salary”, in relation to any office, means the annual
equivalent of the highest monthly rate of salary (excluding any non-pensionable allowances) received by an
office-holding Member during any period of reckonable service as a holder of that office.
Astonishing, isn't it that the pension is payable based on the "Highest annual salary of any office held by him" and "highest monthly rate of salary". So, it doesn't matter that the MP was a low ranking parliamentary secretary for 17 years, and then became a multi-million $ minister for 1 year. His pension will be based on 2/3rds of his salary as a minister, as that is his highest annual salary of any office held by him. So, it also doesn't matter that there are occasional reductions in salary during recessions, since their pension is based on their highest annual salary.

On this basis, SM / PM / MM will get 2/3rd x $3 million for the rest of their lives. I understand that if they are eligible for pension and they are still serving, they get both salary plus pension concurrently. (see section 5).

Or did I forget to tell you that pensions are exempt from income tax? This is stated in the Income Tax Act!

It gets better. The Act says that the pension can be commutated. This means that it is paid in 1 lump sum instead of monthly payments for life. The lump sum is equivalent to 175.14 months of pension, i.e. 14.6 years of pension. It doesn't matter that the minister asks for it because he has terminal cancer and has 3 months to live. He will get 14.6 years of pension paid to him in 1 go, and it will be tax free. If MM's pension is based on 2.5 million (conservative estimate), his commutated pension is $36.5 million. Can buy a GCB with it, without any bank loan!

This is a real scandal. I was horrified when Goh Chok Tong proposed recently that ministers serve 8 years only, and new ones come in. It means that the pool of
multi-million dollar pension earners will get bigger and bigger! It will add to the financial burden of future generations of Singaporeans having to pay for the pensions of people who have already been paid too much during their terms of office.

Who in the private sector is entitled to pension? And yet the ministers, etc are collecting tax free pensions on top of their world's highest salaries. Now you know why George Yeo is fighting so hard to keep his job as minister.

Incidentally, Admin Service officers and High Court Judges are still entitled to pensions in the same manner. No one else in the Civil Service gets pensions

http://singsupplies.com/showthread.php?92674-Pension-for-the-Elites-Makes-Your-Blood-Boil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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So WP was wrong to kick George out?
 
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