Chitchat Factional Fight over New PM

[scroobal]

Here is an insight on what is going on with the leadership succession issue. The second indication of trouble is the comment by GCT out of sheer frustration and he actually said that it should be done within 6 to 9 months. The first was actually TCJ leaving the cabinet and forfeiting his position for a run for the leadership. (note: TCJ is part of the Group of 16)

CCS is heavily back by LHL, TCH, Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam, Janil Puthucheary, Grace Foo and a few others . Lets call it the LHL faction. HSK is backed by Tharman, Khaw, Josephine, Masagoes and the remainder of the 16.

Typical of Singaporeans, the cabinet found it uncomfortable to talk about traits, personality or political capital and so now the main pseudo argument is about should the next PM be from the SAF. It has now being been pushed to the Group of 16. And the discussions are along the same lines.

What surprised many is that CCS has never held a serious cabinet position let alone MOF or MID which in the past was a prerequisite.

 

[ToaPehGong]

Here is an insight on what is going on with the leadership succession issue. The second indication of trouble is the comment by GCT out of sheer frustration and he actually said that it should be done within 6 to 9 months. The first was actually TCJ leaving the cabinet and forfeiting his position for a run for the leadership. (note: TCJ is part of the Group of 16)

CCS is heavily back by LHL, TCH, Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam, Janil Puthucheary, Grace Foo and a few others . Lets call it the LHL faction. HSK is backed by Tharman, Khaw, Josephine, Masagoes and the remainder of the 16.

Typical of Singaporeans, the cabinet found it uncomfortable to talk about traits, personality or political capital and so now the main pseudo argument is about should the next PM be from the SAF. It has now being been pushed to the Group of 16. And the discussions are along the same lines.

What surprised many is that CCS has never held a serious cabinet position let alone MOF or MID which in the past was a prerequisite.

And the new government committee would call this fake news. So is this insider news or speculative news?

 

[Cottonmouth]

Aren't they just looking for an obedient dog/seat warmer.

CCS looks like a clown muppet/dog.

AH SING, are you a fucking bitch?

Will you warm that seat, you little cunt.

 

[scroobal]

Pure speculation as it never appeared in the Straits Times - the mind of a typical Singaporean.

And the new government committee would call this fake news. So is this insider news or speculative news?

 

[chonburifc]

Just a seat warmer. Any one also can. If they want, can even ask TPL to be PM.

I am sure sinkies will have no objections.

Afterall, a preshitdent also can be elected this way, tell me what else cannot be done.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Don't make false flag news.

Your PAP bashing shd get dedicated section like my opium topics. Sam shd think of arrange a PAP section for this screwed bol.

Sick of reading your typical Sinkie fake news.

Here is an insight on what is going on with the leadership succession issue. The second indication of trouble is the comment by GCT out of sheer frustration and he actually said that it should be done within 6 to 9 months. The first was actually TCJ leaving the cabinet and forfeiting his position for a run for the leadership. (note: TCJ is part of the Group of 16)

CCS is heavily back by LHL, TCH, Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam, Janil Puthucheary, Grace Foo and a few others . Lets call it the LHL faction. HSK is backed by Tharman, Khaw, Josephine, Masagoes and the remainder of the 16.

Typical of Singaporeans, the cabinet found it uncomfortable to talk about traits, personality or political capital and so now the main pseudo argument is about should the next PM be from the SAF. It has now being been pushed to the Group of 16. And the discussions are along the same lines.

What surprised many is that CCS has never held a serious cabinet position let alone MOF or MID which in the past was a prerequisite.

 

[Truth_Hurts]

Let me ask the experts here,,,which PAP MP is popular enough amoungst the people to be accepted as PM? which means the people choose not the party? To me I volunteer Tartman,,,,but too bad he will never be accepted by the PAP elites,,,,

 

[ynk2252]

Don't make false flag news.

Your PAP bashing shd get dedicated section like my opium topics. Sam shd think of arrange a PAP section for this screwed bol.

Sick of reading your typical Sinkie fake news.

You are the one talking shit 100% of the time you opium chow ah pek.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Tony Chat change clone uhhhh. Y can run but cannot hide.

You are the one talking shit 100% of the time you opium chow ah pek.

 

[CoffeeAhSoh]

Pure speculation as it never appeared in the Straits Times - the mind of a typical Singaporean.

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[CoffeeAhSoh]

Here is an insight on what is going on with the leadership succession issue. The second indication of trouble is the comment by GCT out of sheer frustration and he actually said that it should be done within 6 to 9 months. The first was actually TCJ leaving the cabinet and forfeiting his position for a run for the leadership. (note: TCJ is part of the Group of 16)

CCS is heavily back by LHL, TCH, Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam, Janil Puthucheary, Grace Foo and a few others . Lets call it the LHL faction. HSK is backed by Tharman, Khaw, Josephine, Masagoes and the remainder of the 16.

Typical of Singaporeans, the cabinet found it uncomfortable to talk about traits, personality or political capital and so now the main pseudo argument is about should the next PM be from the SAF. It has now being been pushed to the Group of 16. And the discussions are along the same lines.

What surprised many is that CCS has never held a serious cabinet position let alone MOF or MID which in the past was a prerequisite.

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Red herring all. Ng Chee Meng the anointed one

 

[Truth_Hurts]

Just a seat warmer. Any one also can. If they want, can even ask TPL to be PM.

I am sure sinkies will have no objections.

Afterall, a preshitdent also can be elected this way, tell me what else cannot be done.

Yes..the problem pinky has with the next pm..is it needs to be a seat warmer for his son to succeed like the way old fart did for Pinky. The problem is..if the next pm is popular etc and capable it will derail his plans. Do not forget his son is not an MP etc..not in politics yet. So it takes some time for his son to be groomed. That means the earliest his son can be an MP is the next Erection..not to far away. Pinky is out of time for his son to step in. N pinky most like have to be an SM n in cabinet 2 erections from now.

The next point is if the next pm is weak and ineffective n the team don't support him effectively. Means there is no capable minister to hold the fort...the weak pm will crop all the blame etc. Look at the existing minister..which one is capable and can support a weak PM? The only name I can put forward is Tartman...but to prevent being upstaged.. tartman will most likely step down in the next or following erection. Because a capable minister will overthrow the weak pm...making Pinky's succession plan for his son in turmoil. So actually pinky is caught between a rock n a hard place. His son is not even in the system to be pm...a weak seat warmer might lead to a collapsed in gahmen...n a strong pm will overthrow the Lee's..so that is why till now there is no designated successor. Unlike when Pinky 1st went into parleement. Within a few years..it's so obvious wooden was the seat warmer n pinky would be pm. Now with pinky close to retirement no sight n no sound of the successor. N pinky is incompetent..so it's up to the people to derail this Lee dynasty garbage...but I doubt the 70% will do the better thing. Pap will destabilise n with no capable opposition. Singkieland will sink because of the political vacuum. Just my rants.

 

[chonburifc]

Yes..the problem pinky has with the next pm..is it needs to be a seat warmer for his son to succeed like the way old fart did for Pinky. The problem is..if the next pm is popular etc and capable it will derail his plans. Do not forget his son is not an MP etc..not in politics yet. So it takes some time for his son to be groomed. That means the earliest his son can be an MP is the next Erection..not to far away. Pinky is out of time for his son to step in. N pinky most like have to be an SM n in cabinet 2 erections from now.

The next point is if the next pm is weak and ineffective n the team don't support him effectively. Means there is no capable minister to hold the fort...the weak pm will crop all the blame etc. Look at the existing minister..which one is capable and can support a weak PM? The only name I can put forward is Tartman...but to prevent being upstaged.. tartman will most likely step down in the next or following erection. Because a capable minister will overthrow the weak pm...making Pinky's succession plan for his son in turmoil. So actually pinky is caught between a rock n a hard place. His son is not even in the system to be pm...a weak seat warmer might lead to a collapsed in gahmen...n a strong pm will overthrow the Lee's..so that is why till now there is no designated successor. Unlike when Pinky 1st went into parleement. Within a few years..it's so obvious wooden was the seat warmer n pinky would be pm. Now with pinky close to retirement no sight n no sound of the successor. N pinky is incompetent..so it's up to the people to derail this Lee dynasty garbage...but I doubt the 70% will do the better thing. Pap will destabilise n with no capable opposition. Singkieland will sink because of the political vacuum. Just my rants.

Looking at the way old fart get things done, my gut feeling is old fart already decided long ago that Kee Chiu is going to be the seat warmer and pinky has no say in this. Whats happening now is just a big wayang to show peasants there is indeed a selection process of next PM.

Just a guess.

 

[Truth_Hurts]

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Looking at the way old fart get things done, my gut feeling is old fart already decided long ago that Kee Chiu is going to be the seat warmer and pinky has no say in this. Whats happening now is just a big wayang to show peasants there is indeed a selection process of next PM.

Just a guess.

I don't think old fart had any influence for the past 10 years before his death. Kee chui is more pinky choice..but one point I want to bring up is Singkieland is the Disney land version of the USSR under Stalin. Any capable n popular MP n minister will be retired as he pose a threat to Pinky. So basically no capable one left. Remember it's is better to be poorly served by weak subordinates than to be overthrown by strong ones. Tartman is capable n the best amongst a bad lot. So he will step down either the next or following erection...so no capable one left. So with a weak pm n a weak cabinet. Won't the country collapse? The symptoms are there..look at the terrex fiasco...it was soo easy to handle but pinky made a big fuss n pissed of the ah tiongs..tat why the ah tiongs started throwing shit at Singkieland. Look at MRT...till now still cock up. There will be worse to come. Singkieland is doing well now because of the policies put in place by Goh Keng Sweet etc. Now the country is running on inertia. But how far can inertia take u?

 

[gatehousethetinkertailor]

Here is an insight on what is going on with the leadership succession issue. The second indication of trouble is the comment by GCT out of sheer frustration and he actually said that it should be done within 6 to 9 months. The first was actually TCJ leaving the cabinet and forfeiting his position for a run for the leadership. (note: TCJ is part of the Group of 16)

CCS is heavily back by LHL, TCH, Lawrence Wong, Shanmugam, Janil Puthucheary, Grace Foo and a few others . Lets call it the LHL faction. HSK is backed by Tharman, Khaw, Josephine, Masagoes and the remainder of the 16.

Typical of Singaporeans, the cabinet found it uncomfortable to talk about traits, personality or political capital and so now the main pseudo argument is about should the next PM be from the SAF. It has now being been pushed to the Group of 16. And the discussions are along the same lines.

What surprised many is that CCS has never held a serious cabinet position let alone MOF or MID which in the past was a prerequisite.

There appears to be no discussion beyond the domestic impact of the next PM - either way between CCS and HSK, it is likely we will also be regionally tested - eg fodder for upcoming Malaysia elections by Aug 2018 and Indonesia elections in 2019 (plus the pivot towards populism) - these two remain and will always be the main immediate external concerns. And if the forum is full of eyes picking up whatever bits of info on what is potentially going on it is not too difficult to work out how weak a leader maybe and the kind of leaders he is leading.

Who would take you seriously? Especially if he is merely the seatwarmer designate for the rumoured real dynastic successor? If the President is any reflection of how poorly supportive of the idea people can be then the next leader will also have to deal with the millenialls becoming electors and engage with that segment too (regardless of the 800k new voter block we have read on these pages) - will also have to deal with an emboldened Indian, Chinese and Pinoy FTs who would ask for a more "representative" Parliament as there are no new citizens in such leaderhip roles (the traditional Malaysian converts do not count).

Internally, if indeed there is a split, then if the man you back does not get in you've already showed your hand to your new boss - can't take cover behind your old boss because he will be out and relegated to Emeritus title but technically no longer involved in machinations of state matters.

Interesting 6-9-12 months ahead.

 

[Cottonmouth]

Yes..the problem pinky has with the next pm..is it needs to be a seat warmer for his son to succeed like the way old fart did for Pinky. The problem is..if the next pm is popular etc and capable it will derail his plans. Do not forget his son is not an MP etc..not in politics yet. So it takes some time for his son to be groomed. That means the earliest his son can be an MP is the next Erection..not to far away. Pinky is out of time for his son to step in. N pinky most like have to be an SM n in cabinet 2 erections from now.

The next point is if the next pm is weak and ineffective n the team don't support him effectively. Means there is no capable minister to hold the fort...the weak pm will crop all the blame etc. Look at the existing minister..which one is capable and can support a weak PM? The only name I can put forward is Tartman...but to prevent being upstaged.. tartman will most likely step down in the next or following erection. Because a capable minister will overthrow the weak pm...making Pinky's succession plan for his son in turmoil. So actually pinky is caught between a rock n a hard place. His son is not even in the system to be pm...a weak seat warmer might lead to a collapsed in gahmen...n a strong pm will overthrow the Lee's..so that is why till now there is no designated successor. Unlike when Pinky 1st went into parleement. Within a few years..it's so obvious wooden was the seat warmer n pinky would be pm. Now with pinky close to retirement no sight n no sound of the successor. N pinky is incompetent..so it's up to the people to derail this Lee dynasty garbage...but I doubt the 70% will do the better thing. Pap will destabilise n with no capable opposition. Singkieland will sink because of the political vacuum. Just my rants.

Cancer, stroke and/or lightning will strike Lanjiao Loong before he can groom his bastard. Fuck him dead!

 

[JohnTan]

On behalf of all samsters here, I would like to thank the good ESM Goh for doing his part for Singapore and sinkies.

SINGAPORE — His Facebook post last week on the urgency of identifying Singapore's next Prime Minister was done "on purpose to elicit a response" from the fourth generation leaders, Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong said on Saturday (Jan 6).

Now that the purpose has been met, he is "not going to go on further" on the matter, said Mr Goh, alluding to a joint statement released on Thursday by the 4G political officeholders saying they were "keenly aware that leadership succession is a pressing issue", and they "will settle on a leader from amongst us in good time".

Mr Goh was speaking to reporters at the sidelines of a youth community awards ceremony in his Marine Parade constituency. Asked why he had put up the Facebook post on Dec 31, Mr Goh said: "I posted it on purpose to elicit a response from the fourth generation. They have given the response so I have achieved my purpose."

In his Facebook post on New Year's eve, Mr Goh — who was the Republic's second Prime Minister — had said that an "urgent challenge" which he would like to see settled is the country's 4G leadership. He expressed his hope for the identity of Singapore's next Prime Minister to be decided in the next six to nine months, and formally designated "before 2018 ends". Whoever is chosen, the team will have to "work together, bring in others, and gel to form a cohesive fourth generation Cabinet", Mr Goh wrote.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...tical-succession-done-purpose-elicit-response

 

[Truth_Hurts]

Cancer, stroke and/or lightning will strike Lanjiao Loong before he can groom his bastard. Fuck him dead!

This is my fondest wish,,but I dont think we will be that lucky to see Pinky just drop dead anytime soon. He will be weakening but around and with his rants etc,,,he will cause alot more problems before his death,,,,,,like the trashing of the serpent with its head cut off,,too bad singkies will suffer for this,,,and they will only have themselves to blame,,,as the 70% voted for it

 

[scroobal]

The word is that this has become a seat warmer's election for yet another longer seat warmer succession plan.

HSK is 56 and will be 59 for GE2020 unless a snap election is called. Which means he will be likely only be in the seat for 1 term which at all levels is a badly planned succession plan. The rest however have not be seriously tested on statecraft and policy or age is a factor. The fact that Chan and Ong both have not been entrusted with key cabinet positions makes it bad if they succeed.

Too little to too late.

GCT became PM at age 49, after 14 years in politics and helmed key ministries. LHL became PM at age 51, and spent 14 years as DPM prior to that, also have held key ministries.

Chan and Ong do not come close except that they are both aged 48. Ong is not well regarded by his colleagues because of his habit of constantly milking the media for personal glory. He abandoning NTUC prior to the bus strike and Keppel over the bribes shows a trait of avoiding responsibility. Chan has also been in the media but these have been organised as part of various official announcements or events.

The ones in play out of the 16 after this selection would be Chee Hong Tat and Lawrence Wong. Wong is the one to watch as the next seat warmer selection in GE2025. He is 45, has complete confidence of LHL and TCH and was the point man over the secretive committee. Note his rise and appointment to a key Ministry.

And who they are warming the seat for? It is unlikely the sons of LHL who both are not keen. It is likely to go back to the OCBC-PAP axis. Watch out for someone who is connected to the family. So far , this axis has contributed Old Man (courtesy of wife), son (courtesy of mother), Tony Tan and Teo Chee Hean.

There appears to be no discussion beyond the domestic impact of the next PM - either way between CCS and HSK, it is likely we will also be regionally tested - eg fodder for upcoming Malaysia elections by Aug 2018 and Indonesia elections in 2019 (plus the pivot towards populism) - these two remain and will always be the main immediate external concerns. And if the forum is full of eyes picking up whatever bits of info on what is potentially going on it is not too difficult to work out how weak a leader maybe and the kind of leaders he is leading.

Who would take you seriously? Especially if he is merely the seatwarmer designate for the rumoured real dynastic successor? If the President is any reflection of how poorly supportive of the idea people can be then the next leader will also have to deal with the millenialls becoming electors and engage with that segment too (regardless of the 800k new voter block we have read on these pages) - will also have to deal with an emboldened Indian, Chinese and Pinoy FTs who would ask for a more "representative" Parliament as there are no new citizens in such leaderhip roles (the traditional Malaysian converts do not count).

Internally, if indeed there is a split, then if the man you back does not get in you've already showed your hand to your new boss - can't take cover behind your old boss because he will be out and relegated to Emeritus title but technically no longer involved in machinations of state matters.

Interesting 6-9-12 months ahead.

 

[nayr69sg]

CCS next PM. There will no longer be any need for another PM after that because sinkieland would have collapsed and be no more.

As I said sinkieland will collapse in the next 7 years. By 2022 there will be no more sinkieland