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It is nice to know that people care so much. Singaporeans envy doctors but hardly respect them merely treating them as service providers.

I think for true blue singaporeans better stay in Singapore. As one guy said here only losers migrate. So don't be a loser like me. :)

I leave you with a quote an old doctor friend of mine told me. "why are you so scared of not being able to practice anymore? If you can no longer be a doctor you will be a garbage collector? Road sweeper?"

I guess that's how most singaporeans think and fear. Life is a journey not a destination.
 
Garbage collector job not easy to get. Pay and benefits very solid. Everything mechanised; garbage collector
almost no chance to touch the garbage bins. No Stress and no bring work home; everyday is a new dawn.
 
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It is nice to know that people care so much. Singaporeans envy doctors but hardly respect them merely treating them as service providers.

I think for true blue singaporeans better stay in Singapore. As one guy said here only losers migrate. So don't be a loser like me. :)

I leave you with a quote an old doctor friend of mine told me. "why are you so scared of not being able to practice anymore? If you can no longer be a doctor you will be a garbage collector? Road sweeper?"

I guess that's how most singaporeans think and fear. Life is a journey not a destination.

Good to read that you found a factory job which allowed you to work and feed your family. I am a capitalist, not a socialist. Wish you peace and comfort (an le in Mandarin).
 
Garbage collector job not easy to get. Pay and benefits very solid. Everything mechanised; garbage collector
almost no chance to touch the garbage bins. No Stress and no bring work home; everyday is a new dawn.

I heard that garbage collectors easily earn about $60,000 a year in Toronto.
 
You know I am having so much fun looking at all these opportunities to do jobs that I will never have done in Singapore.

But my wife keeps asking me is this really what you want to be doing in the long term? All these general labour type jobs?

A part of me wants to say yes. I am finding it hard to believe myself. But seriously some of these "low class" jobs are much better paying than so called "respectable white collar jobs".

I do owe it to myself and my family to challenge the exams to get a medical licence though. Whether I eventually practice in the long term is another matter. But having said that I know that if I get the licence, it is unlikely I can go back to this current happy go lucky state.

Oh well, I will enjoy it while it lasts.
 
Garbage collector job not easy to get. Pay and benefits very solid. Everything mechanised; garbage collector
almost no chance to touch the garbage bins. No Stress and no bring work home; everyday is a new dawn.

The garbage collectors in Edmonton are guys that come around and pick up the garbage from the lawn/sidewalk in residential areas and dump it into the garbage truck. Similar to the ones in Singapore. I haven't checked how much they are paid though but I won't be surprised if it is around $60k p.a as Charlie99 pointed out.
 
I have observed the same thing happening in Australia as well. Migrants that harp about doing the "same" job here seem to returning back after 1-2 years. Migrants that enjoy working in another field, or something else to "enjoy life here" as it is, survive longer. I think the Singapore education, brainwashing has always been that you are slotted to do this or that and that you have no freedom of changing later. It definitely is a difference in mentality on what you want in life. Enjoy, or work through the grind. I hope you continue enjoying your life there, life is too short to be dictated by others.

You know I am having so much fun looking at all these opportunities to do jobs that I will never have done in Singapore.

But my wife keeps asking me is this really what you want to be doing in the long term? All these general labour type jobs?

A part of me wants to say yes. I am finding it hard to believe myself. But seriously some of these "low class" jobs are much better paying than so called "respectable white collar jobs".

I do owe it to myself and my family to challenge the exams to get a medical licence though. Whether I eventually practice in the long term is another matter. But having said that I know that if I get the licence, it is unlikely I can go back to this current happy go lucky state.

Oh well, I will enjoy it while it lasts.
 
Hi ash007,

Well I suppose the good thing is that doctors are paid really really well here. They don't need to work everyday like the GPs in Singapore. So lots of opportunity to take long breaks go and do leisurely stuff.

See where the wind takes me. I can set the sail and point the direction but if the wind doesn't blow.....then just got to get into the motorboat eh?
 
The point I wanted to make is that there is a difference in society in how people perceive others. I know of people that have given up 150/200K pay and work in another field because they got disenchanted by the profession. They are happier and still able to afford what they want even without the extra money.

Hi ash007,

Well I suppose the good thing is that doctors are paid really really well here. They don't need to work everyday like the GPs in Singapore. So lots of opportunity to take long breaks go and do leisurely stuff.

See where the wind takes me. I can set the sail and point the direction but if the wind doesn't blow.....then just got to get into the motorboat eh?
 
hi ash007,

Yeah I see you point and totally agree with you. The trouble with living in Singapore is that the definitions of "basic" are very different. Eg a car is not basic. A house is not basic either.

What kind of "things" do people want? It is a good question to ask. Often the truth is many will not be able to answer that.

Some people just love making money and more money. It's all about money money money.

One sign to see whether someone is in it just for money is to see what they do when they become quite well to do. Do they continue to think of how to make EVEN MORE MONEY? There are always other things to do eg charity work, volunteer work etc. I guess it is very asian to have this money minded approach. But must try to change that mindset.
 
Indeed, a lot of people that migrate actually thinks that migrating is about earning money and continue the same mind-set as in Singapore. It is not, its a lifestyle change as much as a personal change that is required.

hi ash007,

Yeah I see you point and totally agree with you. The trouble with living in Singapore is that the definitions of "basic" are very different. Eg a car is not basic. A house is not basic either.

What kind of "things" do people want? It is a good question to ask. Often the truth is many will not be able to answer that.

Some people just love making money and more money. It's all about money money money.

One sign to see whether someone is in it just for money is to see what they do when they become quite well to do. Do they continue to think of how to make EVEN MORE MONEY? There are always other things to do eg charity work, volunteer work etc. I guess it is very asian to have this money minded approach. But must try to change that mindset.
 
Well I am of the opinion that I am not to judge.

It is up to people to decide what they want to do. Migrate or not. If they are happy with what they are doing, that's their lives. Just don't impose it on others, keep on trying to justify what they are doing (sign of insecurity), have to get the approval of others.

I do however find it hard not to feel strange when they start complaining..........
 
Our lives are not determined by what happens to us but by how we react to what happens, not by what life brings to us, but by the attitude we bring to life. A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes. It is a catalyst, a spark that creates extraordinary results.

...If people and their manner of living were alike everywhere, there would not be much point in moving from one place to another.
Paul Bowles

If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion and avoid the people, you might better stay at home.
James A. Michener

All your life you are told the things you cannot do. All your life they will say you're not good enough or strong enough or talented enough; they will say you're the wrong height or the wrong weight or the wrong type to play this or be this or achieve this. THEY WILL TELL YOU NO, a thousand times no, until all the no's become meaningless. All your life they will tell you no, quite firmly and very quickly. AND YOU WILL TELL THEM YES.
 
Our lives are not determined by what happens to us but by how we react to what happens, not by what life brings to us, but by the attitude we bring to life. A positive attitude causes a chain reaction of positive thoughts, events, and outcomes. It is a catalyst, a spark that creates extraordinary results..

Good statement ! I think I should have one of this in me.

Life is so wonderful ! despite the minor ups and downs.
 
I'm not surprised too if they are. The bluer the collar, the more they will be paid. That's how the world will tend in frist world countries like Canada. The lowly plumber, the electrician, the carpenter, the mason, the bricklayer, the childcare giver, the au pax - all will be better remunerated than general managers, engineers, administrators, for which there is difficulty finding the right job at the right level.

Only in places like Singapore, homes and businesses employ maids and stall assistants etc from Indonesia, Philippines, malaysia, China, India to do all the dirty work at dirt pay. Imagine when the source dries up or the foreign labour backlash kicks in, govt legislation to shut off the supply will def drive up the remun for these jobs.

Then to those who scorned blue collar jobs to put white collar ones on a pedestal will find that life is not about the color of the collar, but about skillsets and it doesnt have to mean that the general manager is nec more skilled than the electrician; they are just in diff business, and they need each other to complete living and life.

The garbage collectors in Edmonton are guys that come around and pick up the garbage from the lawn/sidewalk in residential areas and dump it into the garbage truck. Similar to the ones in Singapore. I haven't checked how much they are paid though but I won't be surprised if it is around $60k p.a as Charlie99 pointed out.
 
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I'm not surprised too if they are. The bluer the collar, the more they will be paid. That's how the world will tend in frist world countries like Canada. The lowly plumber, the electrician, the carpenter, the mason, the bricklayer, the childcare giver (colour emphasis added), the au pax - all will be better remunerated than general managers, engineers, administrators, for which there is difficulty finding the right job at the right level.

Only in places like Singapore, homes and businesses employ maids and stall assistants etc from Indonesia, Philippines, malaysia, China, India to do all the dirty work at dirt pay. Imagine when the source dries up or the foreign labour backlash kicks in, govt legislation to shut off the supply will def drive up the remun for these jobs.

Then to those who scorned blue collar jobs to put white collar ones on a pedestal will find that life is not about the color of the collar, but about skillsets and it doesnt have to mean that the general manager is nec more skilled than the electrician; they are just in diff business, and they need each other to complete living and life.

Those tradesmen yes, not the childcare giver. Possible because child care worker is generally recent immigrants from the Phillipines, Ireland, Eastern Europe.
 
dun understand why sporeans like to gamble so much. luckily ossie losers are not like that. :D

Australia in thrall of gambling mania
Nick Bryant
BBC News, Sydney


It is the world record of which Australia is least proud: More than 80% of its adult population gambles, the highest rate on the planet.



The prestigious Melbourne Cup is also a huge gambling event
From the Melbourne Cup - the horse race that stops the nation - to "pokie" machines in the pubs, clubs and branches of the Returned and Services Leagues and the bookmakers (or the TAB as it is known here) and in bars - it is everywhere.
As one reformed gambler put it to me, Australians would even place a bet on two flies climbing up a wall.

For many, the jingles and electronic clatter of the "pokies" have become just as quintessentially Australian sounds as the call of a kookaburra.

Growth industry

Since the mid-1990s, mega-casinos have also occupied a much more conspicuous and commanding spot on Australia's gambling landscape.

Star City in Sydney is a gambling complex reputedly the size of seven football fields.


You think Las Vegas has got poker machines? New South Wales blows it out of the water... It's crazy, it's insanity

Tom Simpson
Reformed gambling addict

Then there is the Conrad Treasury Casino in Brisbane, which occupies a Monte Carlo-style heritage building.

The biggest is probably the massive Crown Entertainment Complex in Melbourne, one of the world's largest, which claims to attract more than 12 million visitors a year.

The opening of these casinos helps explain another of Australia's dubious records: How a country with the 53rd largest population has the most gaming machines.

This staggeringly, is a fifth of the world's supply.

Over the past decade, the legalisation of gaming machines and the increase in the number of casinos has contributed to a dramatic increase in the amount spent on gambling.

Since 1990-91, real per capita expenditure has increased from $A470.60 (US$360) to $A931.64 in 1999-2000. The figure now is likely to be much higher.


Estimated individual weekly spend
Clothes - $A18.67
Gambling - $A17.52
Petrol - $A15.27
Alcohol - $A10.99

One more recent study, published in October last year, suggested that Australians spend more money on gambling ($A17.52 each week) than they do on alcohol ($A10.99) and petrol ($A15.27), and almost as much as they do on clothes ($A18.67).

It is now estimated that more than 2% of the population have a significant gambling problem.

Social cost?



Reformed gambler Mark Henson now rehabilitates addicts
"I tell people sometimes I slept with the devil," says Mark Henson, who lost his job, his home, and came close to ending up in jail in order to feed his habit.

"I did things I never thought I would stoop down to do. In the end, I just had to gamble to get the money to do it. I was no different from a heroine user or alcoholic."

"I would lie and manipulate and even fool myself. I was in that much denial. If I earned $A500 a week, I gambled $A1500."

After 12 years of what he calls "reckless gambling," and four years of recovery, Mark now helps others try to kick their gambling addiction.

Tom Simpson is another reformed addict.

What angers him now is that the governments - state and national - have allowed the gambling problem to mushroom because of their own "addiction".

This is a craving for the tax revenue which the gaming machines and casinos bring in.

State cashes in

In 1973, Australia's first legal casino opened at Wrest Point Hotel in Hobart, Tasmania.

From then until 1998, state government proceeds from gaming increased 20-fold from $200m to $3.8bn.

An average of 12% of state and territory revenue comes from gambling.

The federal government also cashes in, through Australia's equivalent of VAT.



Simpson is critical of government support for the gambling industry
"There's 99,723 poker machines in the state of New South Wales, more per capita than anywhere else on planet earth," Tom Simpson argues.

"You think Las Vegas has got poker machines? New South Wales blows it out of the water, and in the next couple of months they are actually introducing more pokie machines."

"It's crazy it's insanity. But once again it's creating revenue. How do you stop it? I'm not sure," he says.

Asked about the opening of a new generation of casinos in Britain, he has a simple message - Beware!.

Australia offers a glimpse of the future waiting the UK, he claims.

It is worth remembering, of course, that the vast majority of Australian gamblers do so responsibly.

The casino and club owners also try to promote sensible gambling, with leaflets and handouts explaining the small probability of winning.

There are statutory warning signs on the machines themselves and along with showing digital clocks so that people know how long they have been playing.

The government has also proposed a ban on interactive and internet gambling, likely to come into effect later in the year.

But it's too late to reverse the trend, according to Mark Henson.

"They've created a monster," he says. "And now they can't control it."
 

In yesterday's newspaper, letter carriers or postman was reported to earn $24 an hour, although Canada Post is trying to implement a 2 tier system where it is planning to pay new employees only $18 an hour. But the Postal Workers Union intends to go on strike based on that and other factors.
 
Hi all..

Im new here. Also very new to forums; i dont really know how this works and hopefully if there is a reply, id be able to find this thread later shucks...

I Just joined a few minutes ago after reading about the man who moved to Canada.

Im not very educated, just minimum O levels. I have thought about starting a cake shop of sorts in JB. If anyone has any pros and cons please share with me. I cant seem to find a simple job now in SG already. Ive tried even some admin and recept jobs but no one wants to hire me. Ive tried fitness jobs but saw foreigners in the studios...obviously im not wanted there and no replies either. Ive tried operator positions and nothing.

My parents have invested in a home in JB. I visited there awhile back and found it so peaceful. I am seriously contemplating on moving there and coming back once a month to Singapore if possible. I know Malaysia will not offer me a PR so easliy so i am stumped.

If there is any advice, I welcome it. My parents are very old and not healthy anymore. I have to take care of them but the costs are killing me too.

Lastly, I am so sorry if im posting this at the wrong place. Its just so stressful everywhere. I have no life no friends in Singapore anymore, i stay home and you can say i feel very useless cos the only thing i am capable of nowadays is taking care of my parents. I cant even find a job anymore :S

Would like any opinions from anyone more experienced in this.
 
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