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EU Tells PAP: Fuck you over the death penalty! Fuck you JohnTan!
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These abolitionists also funny. They comment and write articles till the cow comes home and Singapore still executed those on death roll. What a big MF middle finger given. Kudos to our multimillion dollar ministers for the million dollar Middle finger! Long live PAP. Huat ahhhhhhh
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Wa just a causal remarks make you so high ah?
Nowadays ppl are very cranky.
Everyone entitled and freedom of their comments.
U got agitated, talk so much, write so long, end of day u also LPPL right?
But you talk like real i like it.
The less I see of these dumbfucks with weak willpower aka smokers ie “people” like you (aka monkeys on two legs) the better! I am entitled to look down on these dumbfucks who pay only 1.73% of total tax revenue and talk like they pay a lot. Now I make most of my money from capital gains, don’t pay a single cent of tax any where and am very happy that none of my money is spent on sick care for unworthy low SES nicotine addicts. I hope you get lung cancer and get diagnosed only when it is stage IV aka no cure - don’t waste resources treating dumbfucks for self inflicted diseases.
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Ang moh big fuck so sinkies must Kowtow to them and kiss their feet.
Chop head better. Tat will scare the shit of those would be traffickers/criminals!
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Chop head should be done in public and by guillotine, a method pioneered by the French, now a leading member of the EU.
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Death sentence is also a human right . It's the human rights of the victims to be free of trouble makers and be safe
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Singapore executes six men over drug trafficking despite international pleas
Posted 15 hours ago, updated12 hours ago
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Duration: 3 minutes 47 seconds3m 47s
VIDEO Mr Pathmanathan wanted to live, lawyer N Surendran says
Singapore has executed six men convicted of drug offences in October, despite pleas from Amnesty International and Malaysia, which recently pledged to abolish the death penalty.
Key points:
Six men convicted of drug offences were executed in October
Appeals to Singapore for clemency were refused
Malaysia to abolish death penalty by end of the year
Prabu N Pathmanathan, a 31-year-old from Malaysia who had been on death row since 2014, was hanged at Changi prison on Friday morning.
A second man, reported to be Singaporean Irwan bin Ali, was executed alongside Mr Pathmanathan, following the "secret" hanging of Selamat bin Paki, according to the International Federation for Human Rights.
They were among six men executed in October, all on drug offences.
N Surendran, the lawyer for Mr Pathmanathan's family, told the ABC that Singapore authorities had unlawfully refused to consider a petition for clemency.
According to local media, the office of Singapore President Halimah Yacob had delivered a letter to Prabu's family in response to their petition, saying it was "unable to accede to [their] request".
Singapore President Halimah Yacob (left) refused clemency for Prabu N Pathmanathan.
IMAGE Singapore President Halimah Yacob (left) refused clemency for Prabu N Pathmanathan.(REUTERS: Wallace Woon)
Mr Surendran said his client "felt he had become a new man after the experience of being in prison" and had become "very spiritual".
"He wanted to live. He wanted to have another chance," he said.
Mr Surendran added that Singapore appeared to be shortening the notice given to prisoners "so they can execute with the minimum of fuss".
"It's extremely unfair and prejudicial to the prisoner and his family to give him practically less than a week notice of execution," he said.
Calls to abolish the death penalty
The case has fuelled a fresh push against the wealthy state's use of the death penalty.
Rachel Chhoa-Howard, Amnesty International's Singapore Researcher, said the death penalty contravened international law.
"It is time for Singapore to re-establish its moratorium on the death penalty and follow the Government of Malaysia's example, who have suspended all executions and announced plans to abolish the use of this cruel punishment for all crimes," she said.
"This cruel and irreversible punishment has no place in any society, as more than two-thirds of the world's countries have come to recognise."
Malaysia surprised many by abolishing the death penalty, making the announcement on October 10 — the World Day Against the Death Penalty.
It is expected to come into effect by the end of the year.
Drug offences accounted for the largest number of executions in Malaysia, which previously mandated capital punishment for crimes ranging from murder and kidnapping to drug offences and treason.
Amnesty International reported in March that 799 people on death row were convicted of drug trafficking, including 416 foreign nationals.
Singapore's Ministry of Home Affairs, which runs both the Singapore Central Narcotics Bureau and the Singapore Prison Service, could not be immediately reached for comment.
Reuters/ABC
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Posted 15 hours ago, updated12 hours ago
WATCH
Duration: 3 minutes 47 seconds3m 47s
VIDEO Mr Pathmanathan wanted to live, lawyer N Surendran says
Singapore has executed six men convicted of drug offences in October, despite pleas from Amnesty International and Malaysia, which recently pledged to abolish the death penalty.
Key points:
Six men convicted of drug offences were executed in October
Appeals to Singapore for clemency were refused
Malaysia to abolish death penalty by end of the year
Prabu N Pathmanathan, a 31-year-old from Malaysia who had been on death row since 2014, was hanged at Changi prison on Friday morning.
A second man, reported to be Singaporean Irwan bin Ali, was executed alongside Mr Pathmanathan, following the "secret" hanging of Selamat bin Paki, according to the International Federation for Human Rights.
They were among six men executed in October, all on drug offences.
N Surendran, the lawyer for Mr Pathmanathan's family, told the ABC that Singapore authorities had unlawfully refused to consider a petition for clemency.
According to local media, the office of Singapore President Halimah Yacob had delivered a letter to Prabu's family in response to their petition, saying it was "unable to accede to [their] request".
Singapore President Halimah Yacob (left) refused clemency for Prabu N Pathmanathan.
IMAGE Singapore President Halimah Yacob (left) refused clemency for Prabu N Pathmanathan.(REUTERS: Wallace Woon)
Mr Surendran said his client "felt he had become a new man after the experience of being in prison" and had become "very spiritual".
"He wanted to live. He wanted to have another chance," he said.
Mr Surendran added that Singapore appeared to be shortening the notice given to prisoners "so they can execute with the minimum of fuss".
"It's extremely unfair and prejudicial to the prisoner and his family to give him practically less than a week notice of execution," he said.
Calls to abolish the death penalty
The case has fuelled a fresh push against the wealthy state's use of the death penalty.
Rachel Chhoa-Howard, Amnesty International's Singapore Researcher, said the death penalty contravened international law.
"It is time for Singapore to re-establish its moratorium on the death penalty and follow the Government of Malaysia's example, who have suspended all executions and announced plans to abolish the use of this cruel punishment for all crimes," she said.
"This cruel and irreversible punishment has no place in any society, as more than two-thirds of the world's countries have come to recognise."
Malaysia surprised many by abolishing the death penalty, making the announcement on October 10 — the World Day Against the Death Penalty.
It is expected to come into effect by the end of the year.
Drug offences accounted for the largest number of executions in Malaysia, which previously mandated capital punishment for crimes ranging from murder and kidnapping to drug offences and treason.
Amnesty International reported in March that 799 people on death row were convicted of drug trafficking, including 416 foreign nationals.
Singapore's Ministry of Home Affairs, which runs both the Singapore Central Narcotics Bureau and the Singapore Prison Service, could not be immediately reached for comment.
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I like this article n Batman by not killing the criminals have made things worse. Because the criminals come out n commit crimes again. So death sentence for serious crimes is the way to go. The one good pap policy still remaining.
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Batman’s One Rule
Batman’s strict code of ethics is arguably the most famous superhero limitation in history. Even more than Superman, Batman does not kill. To a fault, the Caped Crusader prefers his criminals more alive than dead. At one point in history, it made the character stand out as the pinnacle of justice; a staunch believer in justice and judgement above his own desire for vengeance and revenge. It’s truly a remarkable testament to his character’s growth from angry and sad child to valiant superhero. But over the years, that rule has caused a number of problems. Horrifying, murderous villains escape and run rampant, continuing their reigns of destruction because they’re never put to an end.
Apparently, Gotham doesn’t have Capital Punishment. This has led to many an awkward moment between Bruce and the Batfamily, and even more so in recent years, where writers like Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder are cleverly inventing ways to challenge that rule.
Still, Batman remains as non-lethal as ever. As many know, he didn’t start out that way.
batman no kill rule
Outside of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, the character has never been “trigger-happy,” but he has used a gun. He has killed, and not just on the big screen. In Brian Azzarello’s Knight of Vengeance, Bruce Wayne is killed in the alley, leading to a murderous Batman in Thomas Wayne and a psychopathic Joker in Martha Wayne. Grab Knight of Vengeance here and help support Bounding Into Comics!
I’m not advocating for Batman to become a killer superhero. Not at all. This is about breaking down what it means to be a superhero, and whether or not allowing bad things to continue is part of that job. It’s about whether or not the killer of Jason Todd, for example, should still be on the loose.
Not Advocating Murder
That’s an important detail here. This is in no way, shape, or form about Batman murdering supervillains or baddies. There’s no reason he has to change his approach to catching villains. He doesn’t have to start carrying a gun. It’s really more about a writing standpoint that needs to change. This is about The Dark Knight. That’s right, the most famous Batman story on the big screen ended with Batman killing Harvey Dent/Two-Face.
batman no kill rule
Most fans didn’t realize he was deceased until the sequel, but that’s what happened. In fact, Aaron Eckhart didn’t know his character’s fate either. The actor famously asked Christopher Nolan about Harvey Dent, and wasn’t even able to finish the question.
It makes sense that Harvey Dent/Two-Face died at the end of The Dark Knight. Why? Because Jim Gordon’s son was about to die at the hands of Two-Face. Rather than take any chances, Christian Bale’s Batman dove at the villain at the very last second, nearly killing himself in the process. That’s the kind of Batman that needs to exist in the comics. It creates more thought-provoking writing, increases the drama tenfold, and makes for a much more interesting story. He was willing to kill a murderer in order to save an innocent life.
Ben Affleck’s Batman machine-gunned his way through some SUV’s in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. That was utterly ridiculous and unnecessary, based on some ridiculous notion that the character was “out of sorts” or “in a bad way.” Horrible justifications for what was probably an after-thought to the filmmakers. No one should take Batman killing lightly, least of all the creators who bring his stories to life.
Excuses, Excuses
At the end of the day, the “No Kill Rule” has been used to justify why all of Batman’s villains are still alive. He’s got the most horrifying Rogue’s gallery in the entire comic world… chock full of the kind of terrifying creatures that will murder until the end of their days.
batman no kill rule
How can a hero live with himself if he lets all of them live? That’s not the point. Once again, Batman should never start going on murderous rampages through the dank and dark streets of Gotham. No comic should ever advocate that kind of response to crime, lest the hero succumb to temptation and become a villain themselves. Batman is a symbol meant to inspire fear and good. That means bringing the criminals in when it can be helped. Saving everyone when possible.
A Long Time Coming
That doesn’t mean letting everyone live because some writer is going to need that villain next week. That’s one of the many problems with having 37 different Batman stories coming out every week. Everyone knows that nothing in comic book history is permanent, least of all character deaths. But it feels as if the villains are often equipped with more “plot armor” than the heroes.
Writers, in comics and live-action formats, have avoided writing no-win scenarios for the Caped Crusader. That brief exchange with Harvey Dent at the end of The Dark Knight was the exact kind of writing that can elevate the character. It’s not enough for the superhero to just outsmart his villain. This is about stopping the murders of hundreds of people. Was there a moment in writer Tom King’s Batman #48 where Batman could have prevented the Joker from killing any of those innocent Church-goers? Not really, because it was written that way.
A Sad Truth
Many of Gotham’s citizens suffer because of Bruce’s “No Kill” policy. Violent criminals like Zsasz and Scarecrow, and grotesque masterminds like the Joker and Mad Hatter have walked the streets of the comic’s most famous city for decades. Tormenting those that are just trying to get through the day. In different interpretations of his history, Bruce’s father Thomas loved and cared for the poor of Gotham. He, like Bruce, inherited his wealth and importance. He became a doctor instead of a businessman, dedicating his life to saving the people of his beloved city.
That’s a difficult legacy to live up to, even for a kid with a “normal” upbringing. Unfortunately there’s nothing “normal” about Bruce Wayne’s life. The fact that Thomas was a doctor could be a factor in Batman’s No Kill Rule. While that’s never been outright stated, it’s an interesting piece of subtext that makes it more of an emotional choice than a logical one. So if it’s not the best decision, and if it causes problems, why not change it?
Some Slight Improvements
Whether or not he continues to kill, Batman does help people. That’s not in doubt. But if he were to change his ways, Gothamites’ lives could be greatly improved. Having less supervillains to worry about vastly decreases the chances of dying in one of their attacks. That’s just statistics. If Batman were to remove the villains when they went too far, say after they’ve gone on a rampage, it would be much more justified. No one’s saying Batman should ever kill Kite Man…
batman no kill rule
Kite Man is a harmless thief often on the wrong side of the law. The exact kind of villain that deserves a good punch or ten, but never death.
The man known as Bruce Wayne should absolutely be willing to pull a trigger or throw a Batarang if it meant saving that innocent victim in Joker’s arms. The same could be said for any other villain. If a physical exchange or gadget won’t work, innocent life needs to be saved, over the lives of the villains. As Batman is reminded: Jason Todd died and the Joker lived. That’s an inexcusable truth that should haunt Batman to the end of his days.
In the End
Batman needs to be the better man. He needs to rise above the occasion and be that which everyone else is incapable of being. Jim Gordon said in The Dark Knight, “he’s the hero Gotham deserves, but not the hero it needs right now.” That line has been misquoted for years, but that’s it. The crux of the statement being that Batman must become a criminal to ensure that Harvey Dent would be seen as a hero. Instead of muddying the character’s legacy by letting the public know of the tragic and horrible last days of his life, the Batman became a murderer. Arguably the greatest piece of storytelling to feature Batman actually answered the “No Kill Rule” by placing it right in front of Batman. Christian Bale’s Batman did what was needed in the moment.
He saved Jim Gordon’s son. Unfortunately, it took the death of Harvey Dent to do that. It wasn’t even as clear-cut as a shot to the face. Batman merely dove at Dent and took the same fall he did. Luckily, the armor absorbed much of the fall and the bullet from Dent’s gun.
Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer weren’t afraid to challenge Batman’s rule right in front of everyone, and almost no one noticed. Fans haven’t been questioning the death of Harvey Dent in the “Nolanverse” because it was absolutely justified. More writers, comic writers, should follow suit and start to question the rules and restrictions that have previously defined heroes like Batman. How else will they evolve? How else will fans get more dramatic and compelling stories that question hero’s morals?
It’s time for DC and Batman to start telling stories that question the rules of the character. It’s time for Batman’s “No Kill Rule” to come to an end.
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Batman’s No Kill Rule is An Outdated Comic Cliche That Needs to End
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Batman’s One Rule
Batman’s strict code of ethics is arguably the most famous superhero limitation in history. Even more than Superman, Batman does not kill. To a fault, the Caped Crusader prefers his criminals more alive than dead. At one point in history, it made the character stand out as the pinnacle of justice; a staunch believer in justice and judgement above his own desire for vengeance and revenge. It’s truly a remarkable testament to his character’s growth from angry and sad child to valiant superhero. But over the years, that rule has caused a number of problems. Horrifying, murderous villains escape and run rampant, continuing their reigns of destruction because they’re never put to an end.
Apparently, Gotham doesn’t have Capital Punishment. This has led to many an awkward moment between Bruce and the Batfamily, and even more so in recent years, where writers like Grant Morrison and Scott Snyder are cleverly inventing ways to challenge that rule.
Still, Batman remains as non-lethal as ever. As many know, he didn’t start out that way.
batman no kill rule
Outside of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, the character has never been “trigger-happy,” but he has used a gun. He has killed, and not just on the big screen. In Brian Azzarello’s Knight of Vengeance, Bruce Wayne is killed in the alley, leading to a murderous Batman in Thomas Wayne and a psychopathic Joker in Martha Wayne. Grab Knight of Vengeance here and help support Bounding Into Comics!
I’m not advocating for Batman to become a killer superhero. Not at all. This is about breaking down what it means to be a superhero, and whether or not allowing bad things to continue is part of that job. It’s about whether or not the killer of Jason Todd, for example, should still be on the loose.
Not Advocating Murder
That’s an important detail here. This is in no way, shape, or form about Batman murdering supervillains or baddies. There’s no reason he has to change his approach to catching villains. He doesn’t have to start carrying a gun. It’s really more about a writing standpoint that needs to change. This is about The Dark Knight. That’s right, the most famous Batman story on the big screen ended with Batman killing Harvey Dent/Two-Face.
batman no kill rule
Most fans didn’t realize he was deceased until the sequel, but that’s what happened. In fact, Aaron Eckhart didn’t know his character’s fate either. The actor famously asked Christopher Nolan about Harvey Dent, and wasn’t even able to finish the question.
It makes sense that Harvey Dent/Two-Face died at the end of The Dark Knight. Why? Because Jim Gordon’s son was about to die at the hands of Two-Face. Rather than take any chances, Christian Bale’s Batman dove at the villain at the very last second, nearly killing himself in the process. That’s the kind of Batman that needs to exist in the comics. It creates more thought-provoking writing, increases the drama tenfold, and makes for a much more interesting story. He was willing to kill a murderer in order to save an innocent life.
Ben Affleck’s Batman machine-gunned his way through some SUV’s in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. That was utterly ridiculous and unnecessary, based on some ridiculous notion that the character was “out of sorts” or “in a bad way.” Horrible justifications for what was probably an after-thought to the filmmakers. No one should take Batman killing lightly, least of all the creators who bring his stories to life.
Excuses, Excuses
At the end of the day, the “No Kill Rule” has been used to justify why all of Batman’s villains are still alive. He’s got the most horrifying Rogue’s gallery in the entire comic world… chock full of the kind of terrifying creatures that will murder until the end of their days.
batman no kill rule
How can a hero live with himself if he lets all of them live? That’s not the point. Once again, Batman should never start going on murderous rampages through the dank and dark streets of Gotham. No comic should ever advocate that kind of response to crime, lest the hero succumb to temptation and become a villain themselves. Batman is a symbol meant to inspire fear and good. That means bringing the criminals in when it can be helped. Saving everyone when possible.
A Long Time Coming
That doesn’t mean letting everyone live because some writer is going to need that villain next week. That’s one of the many problems with having 37 different Batman stories coming out every week. Everyone knows that nothing in comic book history is permanent, least of all character deaths. But it feels as if the villains are often equipped with more “plot armor” than the heroes.
Writers, in comics and live-action formats, have avoided writing no-win scenarios for the Caped Crusader. That brief exchange with Harvey Dent at the end of The Dark Knight was the exact kind of writing that can elevate the character. It’s not enough for the superhero to just outsmart his villain. This is about stopping the murders of hundreds of people. Was there a moment in writer Tom King’s Batman #48 where Batman could have prevented the Joker from killing any of those innocent Church-goers? Not really, because it was written that way.
A Sad Truth
Many of Gotham’s citizens suffer because of Bruce’s “No Kill” policy. Violent criminals like Zsasz and Scarecrow, and grotesque masterminds like the Joker and Mad Hatter have walked the streets of the comic’s most famous city for decades. Tormenting those that are just trying to get through the day. In different interpretations of his history, Bruce’s father Thomas loved and cared for the poor of Gotham. He, like Bruce, inherited his wealth and importance. He became a doctor instead of a businessman, dedicating his life to saving the people of his beloved city.
That’s a difficult legacy to live up to, even for a kid with a “normal” upbringing. Unfortunately there’s nothing “normal” about Bruce Wayne’s life. The fact that Thomas was a doctor could be a factor in Batman’s No Kill Rule. While that’s never been outright stated, it’s an interesting piece of subtext that makes it more of an emotional choice than a logical one. So if it’s not the best decision, and if it causes problems, why not change it?
Some Slight Improvements
Whether or not he continues to kill, Batman does help people. That’s not in doubt. But if he were to change his ways, Gothamites’ lives could be greatly improved. Having less supervillains to worry about vastly decreases the chances of dying in one of their attacks. That’s just statistics. If Batman were to remove the villains when they went too far, say after they’ve gone on a rampage, it would be much more justified. No one’s saying Batman should ever kill Kite Man…
batman no kill rule
Kite Man is a harmless thief often on the wrong side of the law. The exact kind of villain that deserves a good punch or ten, but never death.
The man known as Bruce Wayne should absolutely be willing to pull a trigger or throw a Batarang if it meant saving that innocent victim in Joker’s arms. The same could be said for any other villain. If a physical exchange or gadget won’t work, innocent life needs to be saved, over the lives of the villains. As Batman is reminded: Jason Todd died and the Joker lived. That’s an inexcusable truth that should haunt Batman to the end of his days.
In the End
Batman needs to be the better man. He needs to rise above the occasion and be that which everyone else is incapable of being. Jim Gordon said in The Dark Knight, “he’s the hero Gotham deserves, but not the hero it needs right now.” That line has been misquoted for years, but that’s it. The crux of the statement being that Batman must become a criminal to ensure that Harvey Dent would be seen as a hero. Instead of muddying the character’s legacy by letting the public know of the tragic and horrible last days of his life, the Batman became a murderer. Arguably the greatest piece of storytelling to feature Batman actually answered the “No Kill Rule” by placing it right in front of Batman. Christian Bale’s Batman did what was needed in the moment.
He saved Jim Gordon’s son. Unfortunately, it took the death of Harvey Dent to do that. It wasn’t even as clear-cut as a shot to the face. Batman merely dove at Dent and took the same fall he did. Luckily, the armor absorbed much of the fall and the bullet from Dent’s gun.
Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer weren’t afraid to challenge Batman’s rule right in front of everyone, and almost no one noticed. Fans haven’t been questioning the death of Harvey Dent in the “Nolanverse” because it was absolutely justified. More writers, comic writers, should follow suit and start to question the rules and restrictions that have previously defined heroes like Batman. How else will they evolve? How else will fans get more dramatic and compelling stories that question hero’s morals?
It’s time for DC and Batman to start telling stories that question the rules of the character. It’s time for Batman’s “No Kill Rule” to come to an end.
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A gunman who stormed a Pittsburgh synagogue during Saturday services while yelling "all Jews must die", killing 11 worshippers and injuring six others, has been charged with murder.
Key points:
Federal prosecutors could seek the death penalty
The suspect had made many anti-Semitic posts online
President Trump has ordered flags at the White House and public buildings be flown at half-mast
The suspect, 46-year-old Robert Bowers of Pittsburgh, was taken into custody after a shootout with a SWAT team during which four police officers were wounded.
Federal prosecutors charged him with 29 criminal counts including 11 counts of use of a firearm to commit murder during and in relation to a crime of violence.
"The actions of Robert Bowers represent the worst of humanity," US attorney for western Pennsylvania Scott Brady told reporters.
"We are dedicating the entire resources of my office to this federal hate crime investigation and prosecution."
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PHOTO The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
REUTERS: JOHN ALTDORFER
Earlier, US Attorney General Jeff Sessions said federal prosecutors could seek the death penalty.
Special agent Bob Jones of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is leading the probe, said the crime scene was the worst he had seen in 22 years with the agency.
He said he believed Mr Bowers was acting alone, adding: "We have no knowledge that he was known to law enforcement before today."
Local television station KDKA cited police sources as saying Bowers walked into the building and yelled "all Jews must die".
What we know about the suspect
What we know about the suspect
The man accused of opening fire inside a synagogue in Pittsburgh is a local who regularly posted anti-Semitic messages on social media.
Mr Bowers had made many anti-Semitic posts online, including one early on Saturday.
In another, he slammed US President Donald Trump for doing nothing to stop an "infestation" of the United States by Jews.
Mr Jones said Mr Bowers was armed with an assault rifle and three handguns.
He said authorities believed the suspect entered the synagogue, murdered the worshippers and was leaving when he encountered a uniformed police officer.
The pair exchanged gunfire, Mr Jones said, and Mr Bowers re-entered the building before a SWAT team arrived. After a shootout, he surrendered.
Mr Bowers was taken to a hospital where he was listed in fair condition with multiple gunshot wounds.
Victims taken to area hospitals included a 61-year-old woman, a 70-year-old man, and a 55-year-old officer. No children were killed, authorities said.
Three police officers were shot and one was injured by shrapnel, authorities said. Two of the six people injured were in critical condition.
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VIDEO 0:55 FBI agent Bob Jones described the shooting as the most horrific crime scene he had seen in 22 years.
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Raging against 'invaders'
A social media post by Mr Bowers on Saturday morning said a Jewish refugee organisation, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, "likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."
The comment was posted on Gab, a Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-based social networking service created as right-wing alternative to Twitter.
In a statement, Gab.com confirmed the profile belonged to Mr Bowers and also said it had suspended the account and contacted the FBI about it.
The mass shooting prompted security alerts at houses of worship around the country. It follows a spate of pipe bombs found mailed in recent days to prominent political figures, mostly Democrats, including former president Barack Obama.
The Tree of Life synagogue in the city's Squirrel Hill neighbourhood, a heavily Jewish area, was holding a Shabbat religious service at the time of the shooting.
Police are normally only present at the synagogue for security on high holidays, Michael Eisenberg, former president of the synagogue, told KDKA.
"On a day like today, the door is open, it's a religious service, you can walk in and out," he said.
Around the time, three congregations amounting to about 100 people would have been using the building, Mr Eisenberg said.
Shortly after reports of the shooting emerged, Mr Trump said in a tweet he was watching what he described as a "devastating" situation.
A woman grimaces in distress, weeping as another woman holds her close, her hand cradling her head.
PHOTO The FBI says the motive for the attack remains unknown.
AP: STEPHANIE STRASBURG/PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE
Mr Trump told reporters later that the killings might have been prevented if there had been an armed guard in the building.
"If they had some kind of a protection inside the temple maybe it could have been a much more different situation, they didn't," he said when asked if there was any link to US gun laws.
He also called the shooting a wicked act of pure evil, called on Americans to rise above hate, and ordered US flags at the White House and public buildings to be flown at half-staff.
He said he would visit Pittsburgh, but did not say when.
In the city on Saturday night, mourners held a candlelit vigil for the victims under light rain.
The Islamic Center Of Pittsburgh offered its deepest sympathy and condolences, and called on its community to donate blood.
The Anti-Defamation League and Jewish Council for Public Affairs described it as the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the United States.
On April 13, 2014, a pair of shootings occurred at a Jewish community centre and a Jewish retirement community, both located in Overland Park, Kansas. A total of three people were killed in the shootings.
In 2015, a white supremacist murdered nine African Americans during a prayer service in Charleston, South Carolina.
In 2012, a neo-Nazi gunman with white supremacist ties walked into a Sikh gurdwara — or house of worship — in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, and murdered six Sikh Americans.
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A gunman who stormed a Pittsburgh synagogue during Saturday services while yelling "all Jews must die", killing 11 worshippers and injuring six others, has been charged with murder.
Key points:
Federal prosecutors could seek the death penalty
The suspect had made many anti-Semitic posts online
President Trump has ordered flags at the White House and public buildings be flown at half-mast
The suspect, 46-year-old Robert Bowers of Pittsburgh, was taken into custody after a shootout with a SWAT team during which four police officers were wounded.
Federal prosecutors charged him with 29 criminal counts including 11 counts of use of a firearm to commit murder during and in relation to a crime of violence.
"The actions of Robert Bowers represent the worst of humanity," US attorney for western Pennsylvania Scott Brady told reporters.
"We are dedicating the entire resources of my office to this federal hate crime investigation and prosecution."
police stand outside a building
PHOTO The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
REUTERS: JOHN ALTDORFER
Earlier, US Attorney General Jeff Sessions said federal prosecutors could seek the death penalty.
Special agent Bob Jones of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which is leading the probe, said the crime scene was the worst he had seen in 22 years with the agency.
He said he believed Mr Bowers was acting alone, adding: "We have no knowledge that he was known to law enforcement before today."
Local television station KDKA cited police sources as saying Bowers walked into the building and yelled "all Jews must die".
What we know about the suspect
What we know about the suspect
The man accused of opening fire inside a synagogue in Pittsburgh is a local who regularly posted anti-Semitic messages on social media.
Mr Bowers had made many anti-Semitic posts online, including one early on Saturday.
In another, he slammed US President Donald Trump for doing nothing to stop an "infestation" of the United States by Jews.
Mr Jones said Mr Bowers was armed with an assault rifle and three handguns.
He said authorities believed the suspect entered the synagogue, murdered the worshippers and was leaving when he encountered a uniformed police officer.
The pair exchanged gunfire, Mr Jones said, and Mr Bowers re-entered the building before a SWAT team arrived. After a shootout, he surrendered.
Mr Bowers was taken to a hospital where he was listed in fair condition with multiple gunshot wounds.
Victims taken to area hospitals included a 61-year-old woman, a 70-year-old man, and a 55-year-old officer. No children were killed, authorities said.
Three police officers were shot and one was injured by shrapnel, authorities said. Two of the six people injured were in critical condition.
Space to play or pause, M to mute, left and right arrows to seek, up and down arrows for volume.
VIDEO 0:55 FBI agent Bob Jones described the shooting as the most horrific crime scene he had seen in 22 years.
ABC NEWS
Raging against 'invaders'
A social media post by Mr Bowers on Saturday morning said a Jewish refugee organisation, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, "likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."
The comment was posted on Gab, a Philadelphia, Pennsylvania-based social networking service created as right-wing alternative to Twitter.
In a statement, Gab.com confirmed the profile belonged to Mr Bowers and also said it had suspended the account and contacted the FBI about it.
The mass shooting prompted security alerts at houses of worship around the country. It follows a spate of pipe bombs found mailed in recent days to prominent political figures, mostly Democrats, including former president Barack Obama.
The Tree of Life synagogue in the city's Squirrel Hill neighbourhood, a heavily Jewish area, was holding a Shabbat religious service at the time of the shooting.
Police are normally only present at the synagogue for security on high holidays, Michael Eisenberg, former president of the synagogue, told KDKA.
"On a day like today, the door is open, it's a religious service, you can walk in and out," he said.
Around the time, three congregations amounting to about 100 people would have been using the building, Mr Eisenberg said.
Shortly after reports of the shooting emerged, Mr Trump said in a tweet he was watching what he described as a "devastating" situation.
A woman grimaces in distress, weeping as another woman holds her close, her hand cradling her head.
PHOTO The FBI says the motive for the attack remains unknown.
AP: STEPHANIE STRASBURG/PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE
Mr Trump told reporters later that the killings might have been prevented if there had been an armed guard in the building.
"If they had some kind of a protection inside the temple maybe it could have been a much more different situation, they didn't," he said when asked if there was any link to US gun laws.
He also called the shooting a wicked act of pure evil, called on Americans to rise above hate, and ordered US flags at the White House and public buildings to be flown at half-staff.
He said he would visit Pittsburgh, but did not say when.
In the city on Saturday night, mourners held a candlelit vigil for the victims under light rain.
The Islamic Center Of Pittsburgh offered its deepest sympathy and condolences, and called on its community to donate blood.
The Anti-Defamation League and Jewish Council for Public Affairs described it as the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the United States.
On April 13, 2014, a pair of shootings occurred at a Jewish community centre and a Jewish retirement community, both located in Overland Park, Kansas. A total of three people were killed in the shootings.
In 2015, a white supremacist murdered nine African Americans during a prayer service in Charleston, South Carolina.
In 2012, a neo-Nazi gunman with white supremacist ties walked into a Sikh gurdwara — or house of worship — in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, and murdered six Sikh Americans.
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Frog land already down the dumps n so is krautland...so the EU has no biz telling singkieland wat to do.
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