education in Australia

[ashjaw]

can someone help shed some light on Education system in Australia? Anything is good.... for a start. TIA.

 

[neddy]

can someone help shed some light on Education system in Australia? Anything is good.... for a start. TIA.

Can you be more precise.
University level or just general education?

For general education, each state and territory has their own system, so you have to be precise again ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Australia

 

[Yankee Prick]

Can you be more precise.
University level or just general education?

For general education, each state and territory has their own system, so you have to be precise again ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Australia

It seems like some of these guys are too lazy or handicapped to use the internet and other sources for their research.

 

[ashjaw]

thks Neddy for bothering to reply . I've read up some stuffs too, just want to get real feedbacks from the ground - firsthand.... from pple who are closer from the receiving end. Actually any general feedback is great but to be specific, I will be keen to hear more from high school level onwards. If possible, from both state and private schools. Not asking for much, any little feedback is helpful. And any state will be good as the general curriculum is governed by the federal govt but the way it's run is dependent on the state, that I understand.

 

[axe168]

can someone help shed some light on Education system in Australia? Anything is good.... for a start. TIA.

The Australia education sys will enhance your knowledge thru problem based learning, public speaking, networking, adaptability, assertiveness.. most importantly your ability to think independently and be different.. Mentality of make it or break it.
Result : only 20% make it to the top management and bz. 15% useless residents ie drug addicts, 65% adequate jobs.

On the other hand, Singapore/Msia system taught us to be obedient, not to speak unless permitted.. follow whatever laws or rules or guidelines.. Thank god your decision doesn't matter, the authority knows what's best for you.. follow totally, you should be safe and adequate.
Result : 85% make it to HDB category with <1% in private business. <1% criminals.

So which is better ? Half filled or half empty ? depends how you see it.

 

[ashjaw]

thanks axe168, great that you see the glass almost full.

I would like to know, if it's not too much to ask, if your kids (assuming they are attending schools there), like the delivery method and the environment. And besides the delivery/content issues, do you have any problems with social issues? Are you satisfied with what they are gaining (in general) as they grow?

I know it's kind of personal, I view education as a whole package, not just formal ones. So if you are not comfortable answering, it's fine. I just want to get feedback from pple who has gone through/going through it, not what the govt is promising to deliver as not every school can deliver what's written.

 

[neddy]

thks Neddy for bothering to reply . I've read up some stuffs too, just want to get real feedbacks from the ground - firsthand.... from pple who are closer from the receiving end. Actually any general feedback is great but to be specific, I will be keen to hear more from high school level onwards. If possible, from both state and private schools. Not asking for much, any little feedback is helpful. And any state will be good as the general curriculum is governed by the federal govt but the way it's run is dependent on the state, that I understand.

OK. First of all, the curriculum is still being set at State Level (eg http://www.curriculum.wa.edu.au/)

State schools sucks, because we have too many chiefs trying to decide what is good for kids and the teachers give up ... Some state schools cannot be bother to have Univ Entrance Exams, because the students are .... REAL IDIOTS
The ECA in these schools include joining fight clubs and staying high.

So that left the Private schools. There are a few flavours, Catholic, Anglican/Independent, etc etc ...

Again, private schools have their own secret agendas.

Catholic schools - Ever wonder why the Italy only produce race cars and fashion wear. They all started in Catholic schools where kids spend more time on cars and beauty than studying.

Independent schools - These belong to the group where "Keeping up with Joneses" apply. Reputation is important. If the kids results bad, the schools will not allow them to sit for Univ Entrance Exams. The students are usually suicidial or smart.

If your pocket still have money left after considering the expensive private education, you can consider other form of private schools or mandrasehs.

The stressful Years = Year 11 and Year 12. That is when Australia realise that the education standard is so low that they need to bring the students to "international standard"

Year 11 and 12 are the killer years, need tuitions, need good teachers.

BTW, if your kids go private schools, fetch them in your nicest car in your house. Usually, you will compete with SUVs, continental cars, luxury cars in drop-off zone, the bigger your car, the higher the chance you can find a spot to drop your kids. Keep a FIRST AID box in case another parent fight you for denting his precious car.

This is the "Receiving End" report as requested.

 

[neddy]

I still think Axe168 give a more balanced view on the Oz school system.

 

[ashjaw]

Thks Neddy and Axe168. Your inputs are very good, luv it. Wanna hear a balanced view. Read that the pte school fees range from AUD1000 to 20k a year, wonder if you know the reasons for the great difference? And also, there are some independent schools that are actually state schools, is that correct? sorry if there are too many questions, it's ok if you don't bother to reply. No problem .


*** I've sent replies before your post but it takes so long for them to be moderated (no offence to moderators, know you are busy :P).****

Anyway, thanks guys for responding.

 

[allanlee]

Different states have different education sysytem........ perth has many ex-teachers from singkeeland employed in their schools so your child should still be comfortable adapting there if they come from singkieland schools

 

[Aussie Prick]

can someone help shed some light on Education system in Australia? Anything is good.... for a start. TIA.

why would you waste your time and money on education on the second class substandard education in arsetralia?

we all know where the best education in the world is, and ITS NOT arsetralia

 

[ashjaw]

why would you waste your time and money on education on the second class substandard education in arsetralia?

we all know where the best education in the world is, and ITS NOT arsetralia

I am looking for some genuine feedback, if u don't hv any, appreciate if you can shudup, thank you. Please do not turn this thread into another of your channel to thrash arsetralia.... If u like, do start another thread to do so. REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

 

[neddy]

Different states have different education sysytem........ perth has many ex-teachers from singkeeland employed in their schools so your child should still be comfortable adapting there if they come from singkieland schools

Is this school right for my child?" http://www.curriculum.wa.edu.au...ports_Statistics/School_Comparison_Statistics

Can't remember where I got this from ...
TEE is Tertiary Entrance Exams in Perth

Choosing a State School
Choosing a good school for their children is obviously a key concern for many migrants. There's no simple answer, of course - it all depends on your own criteria for what makes a "good school".
Most people will select an area first, based on lifestyle, cost of housing etc, then check out the local schools and choose the one they like best - probably based on recommendations and "gut-feel". For primary school, you may be able to choose from 3 or 4 in your locality (depending on availability), but there will probably be only 1 state high school, maybe 2 within a reasonable distance.

Here are some points you may want to consider:

As far as academic results go, these are published for Year 12 high school students - some parents may find these useful. We're not aware of any comparative results for primary schools.
Some schools have specialist programs in academic or sporting areas (see below).
See the discussion section for other migrants' opinions
Location
All state schools in Perth are designated as "local-intake" or "non local-intake". A local-intake school generally only enrols children who live within their designated boundary.
Lists of local-intake and non local-intake schools (PDF file)

Schools with the best reputation (and therefore in highest demand) have to stick firmly to their intake policy - applicants must live in a street within the school's boundary and if renting, applicants may have to prove they have signed a long lease. Rossmoyne Senior High is a good example - they publish the map of their intake area on their website and in for-sale adverts you'll see houses described as "in RHSZ" meaning "in Rossmoyne High School Zone".

Specialist Programs
Some state high schools have developed specialist programs in fields such as sports, drama, technology etc. If their programs are accepted by the Dept of Education, they are allowed to accept a number of students from outside their local area to participate in the program.


Choosing a Private School
Considerations for choosing a private school are somewhat different from those for a state school:
Location
From the school's perspective, it doesn't matter which suburb you live in, they are not subject to local-intake controls. Many children travel a few km to school and it's not unusual for kids to commute from the outer suburbs to the top private schools in the city.
Religion
Most private schools are run by or affiliated to churches, but that doesn't mean they are only open to children who attend their church. For example, there's a Uniting Church school in Perth who's student population is comprised of roughly one-third Uniting Church-goers, one-third other church-goers and one-third non-church-goers. Check with the individual school.
Academic Results
TEE results for all state and private schools are published annually (click here).
Specialisations, school philosophy
By this, we mean the importance the school places on academic results, sporting achievements, etc. For example, some schools stress the importance of "pastoral care" of their students rather than pure academic results. Other schools may place a great emphasis on their sporting achievements.
Cost
Fees vary from around $2,000 pa for some Catholic schools to over $12,000 pa for some private schools. Incidental costs, for laptops, field trips etc. will probably vary more-or-less in line with the fees.
Availability
Last but not least - many private schools are in high demand and cannot take new admissions. Plan ahead - to secure a high-school place in some private schools, you may need to get their names on the list when they're toddlers! Normally you pay a small registration fee (about $50) and don't have to commit yourself until they're in the last year of primary schoo

 

[axe168]

The school in Australia is totally diff from SG context. These ppl emphasize on public speaking in particular the persuasive and convincing skills.. with these skills, you will be able to gain votes, be a leader...bring ppl together and rally behind you.. Having a good education (with excellent marks) is juz a start.. to survive in the 1st world "street smartness" & social skills complete the journey..

Everyone can follow the law or rules easily. How many can spot the legal loop holes ? or challenge the ambiguity to favour them ?

In the 1st world countries.. we have rights and we sue ~ companies sue for patent products.. injured sue for unsafe environment.. ppl sue for negligent.. Chaos lah.
In SG only few have special rights to sue for defamation.. sooo peaceful

 

[axe168]

thanks axe168, great that you see the glass almost full.

I would like to know, if it's not too much to ask, if your kids (assuming they are attending schools there), like the delivery method and the environment. And besides the delivery/content issues, do you have any problems with social issues? Are you satisfied with what they are gaining (in general) as they grow?

I know it's kind of personal, I view education as a whole package, not just formal ones. So if you are not comfortable answering, it's fine. I just want to get feedback from pple who has gone through/going through it, not what the govt is promising to deliver as not every school can deliver what's written.

a) My wifey is loving it !.. She has regular tea session with the mummies here.. Wifey also volunteer on a regular basis for school activities.. Errr, I dont know about other suburbz, but this suburb is marvelicious for us !
b) My son has a best friend - his buddy 'O' pal..
c) Me ? I am flat-out lah.. every weekend dinner with the fellow ex-sinkie mates.. hunting new hobbies.. hunting new hse.. hunting 2nd car..

 

[axe168]

Thks Neddy and Axe168. Your inputs are very good, luv it. Wanna hear a balanced view. Read that the pte school fees range from AUD1000 to 20k a year, wonder if you know the reasons for the great difference? And also, there are some independent schools that are actually state schools, is that correct? sorry if there are too many questions, it's ok if you don't bother to reply. No problem .

*** I've sent replies before your post but it takes so long for them to be moderated (no offence to moderators, know you are busy :P).****

Anyway, thanks guys for responding.

Did you get your info right ? it is more like 20-25k p.a. or 150k for year 7-12 for top 30% private schools..

To send your child to a state school or private school really depends on you.
Some would rather use the money to give them a head start for a hse.. years later if they breakup not knowing his partner can claim 50% :( or they are so blurr that they invest in another "Lehman Sister Fund".. perhaps a good start for a business venture ?

Some choose to invest for a good education & networking skills in the high society, even if the job market is bad.. the "boys club" will give them a helping hand ~ network.. Good school indirectly represent good behaviour and good discipline and gd results.. Some might not think so..

If you like to stay here permanently.. it is good to know the local perspective.. most of the time, what Spore/Msia do (at home) is not what the Aus wants.

There is a saying.. "To be rich, you have to think like a rich.. and act like a rich"..

 

[allanlee]

Last but not least - many private schools are in high demand and cannot take new admissions. Plan ahead - to secure a high-school place in some private schools, you may need to get their names on the list when they're toddlers! Normally you pay a small registration fee (about $50) and don't have to commit yourself until they're in the last year of primary school

Money makes the world go round ...... Aussie elite schools sama sama like others everywhere......... a generous donation to fund a school "project" does wonders and enables your child to jump to the front of the waiting list :p:p

 

[ashjaw]

I may have got the numbers wrong, got to double check. I have lots of research and planning to do, trying to get as much info as I can, education is one, got to look at other aspects too. So have to thank you guys for the input. If I may ask, which state are you located?

As for this saying:
"To be rich, you have to think like a rich.. and act like a rich"..

yeah, have heard of it, problem is I am not one, don't think like one and dislike acting like one (even if I am). So guess it's tough.

 

[axe168]

I may have got the numbers wrong, got to double check. I have lots of research and planning to do, trying to get as much info as I can, education is one, got to look at other aspects too. So have to thank you guys for the input. If I may ask, which state are you located?

As for this saying:
"To be rich, you have to think like a rich.. and act like a rich"..

yeah, have heard of it, problem is I am not one, don't think like one and dislike acting like one (even if I am). So guess it's tough.

Uncle, there is no one size fits all lah.. you either take the silver spoon path where everything is guided in an orderly manner (but lack of survive skills in the wild jungle) or be a survival in the big jungle, enjoying the nature... be predator or prey It is your choice, if you want to give him the tools or allow him to make his/her own tools.

Wherever you are.. Whatever you do.. it is important to take into considerations the local perspectives.. and decide what's best for you.

My view : Creativity & innovation will be severely restricted in an enclosed environment. Air and water are not clean too :(

 

[ashjaw]

Uncle, there is no one size fits all lah.. you either take the silver spoon path where everything is guided in an orderly manner (but lack of survive skills in the wild jungle) or be a survival in the big jungle, enjoying the nature... be predator or prey It is your choice, if you want to give him the tools or allow him to make his/her own tools.

Wherever you are.. Whatever you do.. it is important to take into considerations the local perspectives.. and decide what's best for you.

My view : Creativity & innovation will be severely restricted in an enclosed environment. Air and water are not clean too :(

got it, axe168, I think I am more qualified to call you 'uncle' instead . I agree with you totally. Very suffocated in an enclosed environment, don't want the next generation to go out of air.... need space to grow.. in every aspects. I don't handhold very much, just want to provide an appropriate environment growth.

cheers!