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what a sad sad day to realise it's no fun growing old in sinkieland....:mad:

主题:星洲选读:林明华—来新山养老
作者:韦春花 06:00am 13/02/2009
林明华‧来新山养老
2009-02-12 19:36

农历新年期间,新加坡卫生部长许文远在未惊动媒体的情况下,悄悄进入新山依斯干达特区“参观”当地的医疗机构,並会见了一名即將在那里建造一所拥有200个床位的疗养院的新加坡人。几天后,他在新加坡国会谈到他此行的心得时,建议新加坡人考虑把家中老人送去新山的疗养院养老,因为“在新加坡疗养院住一个月的费用,相等於在新山疗养院的2个半月的费用;何况,新山离新加坡不远,老人的家属可在週末到新山去探望他们”。

这个建议看来很现实,也很实际,但却受到该国反对党议员的严厉批评,他们讥讽许文远以“赞赏”的口吻介绍收费低廉的新山疗养院,似乎已默认该国的医疗费过高的事实。他们也质问许文远,新加坡政府是不是要把她负担得起的医疗服务的责任,“外包”给其他国家?

面对反对党的质询,许文远的回答似乎有点“无厘头”;他说:“消费者都有选择的自由。你可以在新加坡吃海鲜大餐,或到新山吃团圆饭。你可以在新加坡添油,或者越过长堤(添油)。你是在花自己的钱,一切由你决定。”

马来西亚人看新加坡,总是出现两大极端,李光耀家族和政治生態、高薪养廉和高效率、南洋大学和华文教育,都可以引发喋喋不休的爭辩。像新加坡老人入住新山疗养院的课题,也无可避免的引发口舌之爭,而且可以是非常情绪化的爭论。

但情绪化的爭论,有时也有值得反思的一面。例如我的一个朋友便说,为甚么我们的人才和投资都被新加坡吸引过去,而我们能够吸引的,却只是被新加坡遗弃的老人和被新加坡淘汰的夕阳工业而已?

也有朋友不无感慨地说,在他们的许多新加坡朋友眼中,马来西亚简直一无是处,只有在想要购买廉价物品,想要添购廉价汽油,或者想要花钱少少但却要举家出游时,马来西亚才成为新加坡人的最佳选项。

新加坡是世界上第一个將“赡养父母”立法的国家。1995年,新加坡国会通过《赡养父母法令》。此法令下,被控未遵守《赡养父母法》的子女,一旦罪名成立,可面对罚款1万新元或判处1年有期徒刑的惩罚。据说,该国的赡养父母仲裁庭在法令生效的首半年內,便接获了152宗由父母要求子女赡养的申请。

新加坡人对父母真的如此无情无义吗?不是的!据我向一些新加坡友人和亲戚瞭解,把家中老人送入疗养院,对新加坡人来说,迄今还是一个相当避讳的课题。他们说,大多数的新加坡华人还是非常重视家庭伦理道德的。如果不是迫不得已,把家中老人送入疗养院,始终是他们最后的选择,何况是送来新山的疗养院。其中一位朋友甚至这样说:“这样做(把父母送入新山疗养院),不只不孝,而且还丟尽了我们(新加坡人)的面子!”

新山的疗养院收容新加坡老人,事实上也早已不是甚么秘密了。当然,经济考量是原因之一;另一原因,是很多这些老人原本就是马来西亚人,入住新山疗养院,也方便这里的亲友探望和照顾。

老人问题不是新加坡人的问题而已,国內的疗养院愈开愈多,说明我们的社会確实有此需求。至於把家中老人寄养在疗养院,是不是等於遗弃他们?是不是就是一种不孝行为?所谓家家有本难唸的经,这要看具体的情况,不能一概而论。

不过,不可否认的是,今时今日,“养儿防老”的观念已不可靠,遗弃老人的问题日愈严重也是事实,像新加坡这样把道德標准变成立法政策,通过立法来保护失去依靠的老人,或者建议把老人送到邻国去“寄养”,“虽然看起来有点可笑又可悲,但也是非常无奈的现实选择!”

星洲日报/情在人间‧作者:林明华‧言论不代表本站立场‧2009.02.12
 

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very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

what a sad sad day to realise it's no fun growing old in sinkieland....:mad:

fucktard unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

truly sad days for your 80 y.o. father who was bashed until BLOODY by a fcuking moron old faggot !!!
 

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新加坡是世界上第一个將“赡养父母”立法的国家。1995年,新加坡国会通过《赡养父母法令》。此法令下, 被控未遵守《赡养父母法》的子女,一旦罪名成立,可面对罚款1万新元或判处1年有期徒刑的惩罚。据说,该国 的赡养父母仲裁庭在法令生效的首半年內,便接获了152宗由父母要求子女赡养的申请

since sgp is legislated to support elderly parents, the COW should have been formally charged for sedition!

it's really sad that money now matters more than family ties. but again, if we were the incumbent shouldering with the responsibility of looking after sick and invalid parents, the stress and strains is really heavy.

beside, the finance, the emotional guilt of helplessness is quite exasperation couple with our own family's burden to bear.

the gabramen should be more mindful about that before it deteriorates the country into something that measures everything with dollar & cents and nothing else matters.:oIo:
 

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unless everyone is like the famiLee, where the very drastic n chronic could be easily looked after by the best but not from the familee itself. what is needed is to pay money and pass the responsibility to someone else. of course, then those people can talk so much rots and "practicality".

if they could really help, they should be building more nursing homes or bigger day care centres for the invalid elderlies within housing estates. after they have done that, for heaven's sake make the charges affordable. for a country that can spend so much in club houses and golf courses, i believe the gov can accede to this.

our nation is aging very fast. they should be planning for this social problem now and not pushing the responsiblity to our neighbours like JB. what if JB gets more expensive, where to next? batam? china? or timbaktu?

this is a human - a elderly parent we are talking about and not a commodity to be pass along to by using money to solve the solution. at times like that, it takes more than money - it's something dearer which i hope the paps COW understands and it's called FAMILY TIES, FILIAL PIETY AND GRATEFULNESS to our dear parents.

i wonder how the COW treats his own aged parents?
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

fucktard unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

truly sad days for your 80 y.o. father who was bashed until BLOODY by a fcuking moron old faggot !!!

I wish you will just keep to Leetarbar's threads on SDP or this "F4". You're just messing up every thread, even the ones that people want to seriously read.
 

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old faggot BobDog preaches FAMILY TIES, FILIAL PIETY AND GRATEFULNESS ... LOL

at times like that, it takes more than money - it's something dearer which i hope the paps COW understands and it's called FAMILY TIES, FILIAL PIETY AND GRATEFULNESS to our dear parents.

unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

what the fuck you know about "FAMILY TIES, FILIAL PIETY AND GRATEFULNESS to our dear parents"!

your FAMILY TIES means living off the handouts from your siblings and retired parents!

your FILIAL PIETY AND GRATEFULNESS means bashing your 80 y.o. father to a pulp and calling your mother LAU-CHEE-BYE!
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

please use the "IGNORE" button.

thanks.

Although it doesn't solve the problem totally, because I do not read from login mode all the time, at least you are gracious enough to tell me to add you into my "ignore" list, something other spammers don't do.

I will do just that and you won't hear from me again.
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

Its Bob Sim Kheng Hwee's fault. guavatree is just making sure this idiot's head becomes too big if not he will become a menace to the forum.

I don't reply to that Leetahbar often but 2 wrongs don't make a right.
 

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when u mentioned F4 or SDP, u have disturbed the hornet's nest of cowardly clones.

this is a real personal story. it's both sad and heart-warming. both feelings were very contradicting. sad cos we were seeing how she was suffering whinning in pain and were totally helpless to soothe her pains. heart-warming cos finally the LORD took her home and ended all her suffering.

my late grandma was invalid after a nasty fall which fractured her hips. as this called for professional health care, everyone in the family was very stressed as what to do and how to look after her.

in the end, we found a nursing home which we thought could look after her. it wasn't cheap and cost about $1.2k per month. extra medical attention or medicine was not inclusive.

everyone one in the family visited her a few times per week. the sad thing was, she was quite blurred and didn't seem to recognise us. gradually, her condition deteriorated and passed away. she was 93 then - ripe old age.

she was the grandma we loved dearly. there were cheaper nursing home but the ambience there left much to be desired. $1.2k at that time was considered alot of money.

the gabramen has grievously left out this issue and planning of caring for invalid elderlies. the remark from the COW was really uncalled for and he's now trying to put right what he mindlessly blurted.

this elder care could be quite a long term affair. the family involved is drastically stressed and strained not only by the finance part, the emotional guilt and the sorrow of being helpless to alleviate the suffering of their parent could sometime be more painful.

the gabramen should help to provide such nursing and caring facilities in individual housing estate for convenience of visiting the invalid elderly by the family members. this is a very crucial and imminent problem as our society ages there would be more families requiring this service.

while geting domestic helpers would in a way alleviate such problem, sometime however, it aggravates it as not many domestic helpers are "medically" trained in nursing geriatrics.

it's really ashamed that our PM's own mother who is now in this condition. but as he is that affluence and rich, there shouldn't be a problem for him. but he should put his shoes in an average peasants. then the problems shall really seem real and critical to the PM. it could be a sign to him to be aware and mindful of fellow citizens' plight when they are also faced with the same kind of domestic problems in taking care of invalid elderlies.
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

Its Bob Sim Kheng Hwee's fault. guavatree is just making sure this idiot's head becomes too big if not he will become a menace to the forum.

it's a very weird and strange thing that u side with that rotting tree. perhaps u could explain to everyone why?

guavatree's spamming postings are all repetitive senseless insults. i bet if he uses that on u, u would be jamming up all the INFRACTIONS LOG.:rolleyes:

and again, it could only be explained that ALL OF YOU could just be from the same source - a bunch of cowards proclaiming whatever human rights or more aptly human shits!:smile:
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

it's a very weird and strange thing that u side with that rotting tree. perhaps u could explain to everyone why?

unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

you such a fucking kaypohji!

wanna noe why?

kan pua li eh tua cheebai!!!
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

you such a fucking kaypohji!

wanna noe why?

kan pua li eh tua cheebai!!!

maybe it's not such a bad idea to leave him alone to rule this section of the roost for a period of time and prove once and for all whether this two headed snake has credibility or the respect of part or all of those who choose to come here. it would be better to expend our energy on matters and issues of more importance than to endlessly try to expose a whore masquerading as a woman of substance. and don't forget he has the support of the one who matters most.
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

maybe it's not such a bad idea to leave him alone to rule this section of the roost for a period of time and prove once and for all whether this two headed snake has credibility or the respect of part or all of those who choose to come here. it would be better to expend our energy on matters and issues of more importance than to endlessly try to expose a whore masquerading as a woman of substance. and don't forget he has the support of the one who matters most.

you have a point there :smile:
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

Its Bob Sim Kheng Hwee's fault. guavatree is just making sure this idiot's head becomes too big if not he will become a menace to the forum.

I strongly disagree with you.

Leetahbar has posted a very good article and what he says in this thread makes a lot of sense.

My instrument is a very astute reader especially of Chinese news. If he did not post it, I may have missed it totally.

God Meng Seng
 

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Re: very sad days for an old man bashed by old fagoot BobDog!

I don't reply to that Leetahbar often but 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I must disagree with you here.

My instrument Leetahbar actually makes a lot of sense in this forum, even though he does not write very well.

If you read him carefully, you will find insights. For instance, he really tears apart Ng E-Jay's sick propaganda.

I have offered my instrument financial aid to attend an English school to improve his writing, but he is busy with his social work.

God Meng Seng
 

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old faggot BobDog doing **social work** wor .... LOL

... but he is busy with his social work

huh doing social work???

you mean the unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

busy sucking PAP lanjiaos and busy prostituting himself on the net ... LOL
 

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from a panelist of pals who have been tracking this stalker guavatree, the following suspects are deduced:

1. clones of ngejay
2. clones of bluesotong - the one who once dated LTS fervently
3. clones of babaero11 - the pirated crazy pinoy from the palawan bitch who's interest is in sexual perversion
4. clones of lamei
5. those who were F&D and exploited especially from the sdppies.

#1 to #4 were forummers who had met up with my li'l brother leetahsar. the troubles started after the meeting with #4, the fishmonger's wife. troubles were also present when she infiltrated wp then. again, sdp are now in trouble with her presence there. and she's one of the members of the notorious F4 or the FANTASICK 4.

either everything is so co-incidental or a jinx has possessed some troll.

while flirt&destroy is very useful to win people over, the quality of those flirted is destined to be "destroyed" by association with the executor. senseless resentment and pettiness are the seeds being sown among them and that's why they are always thinking they are in the right of way and definitely above the LAW.

you do not need a bunch of brainless followers to do you biddings. you just need a couple of intelligent, unbiased and cool thinking pals. there is no point having a blind leader to lead a bunch of blind followers who would end up in a big longkang eventually.

they think it's a righteous thing to do. the peasants think otherwise. it's indeed stupider than foolish with this sort of denial stubborn thinking. and that's why nasty cowardly clones would continue to mulitply themselves.

if you are right, u only need one nic...and many would have seen the TRUTH.:cool:
 

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old faggot BobDog missed his "pals" wanking .... LOL

from a panelist of pals who have been tracking this stalker guavatree, the following suspects are deduced


unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, all rolled into one!

your full time lanjiao sucking reduced you to a low-life retard!

you need your "pals" to wank you can always PM them mah!
 
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