Dual Citizenship / NS Obligations / HDB Flats and Migration

[scroobal]

Looking at what you have written over the years including the job, the boss and your mum, etc best to stay put for the time being. You either migrate early in your career or at the tail end when it is time to retire. Those who go in the 40s and 50s typically have a job lined up and it covers all the cost and inconvenience The job would be the pull factor. You strike me as someone who will get along with anyone and anyplace that is pretty decent.

And there is no rush to see Canada having lived there for sometime and having acquired citizenship. When its time to retire, Canada safety net is there. You are actually in an envious position compared to many as you have options and there is no current push factors.

In the meantime do enjoy life sans the overcrowded places and people. As an ex-Singaporeaan I am sure you would know all the nook and cranny to carve a weekly routine within Singapore to enjoy life.

Russel Peters is in Brampton. Anyways, nothing against any racial group there. Don't want to live in a Chinese-speaking neighbourhood, I can't communicate with them! Last place I lived there was in Markham, greater majority were Chinese (Cantonese actually) speaking. But it was okay. Just avoided the Chinese stores, especially the food places!!! Had a Sri Lankan colleague (doing deliveries) and we got along fine. Never heard anyone bad mouth the Indians as much as this dude (and he is Tamil!!! not Singhalese!!) Oh well, perhaps might want to consider Calgary. See how things turn out further down the road.

Cheers!

 

[octane69]

Have a question for about passports and immigration for my kid here. My wife is european, and our baby will be born in europe. Currently wife is here one LTDP, As i still have work n businesses here baby and her will be back in singapore for at least a few years hopefully less I have been searching for answers to how the visas and long term stay thing works in singapore but have not found any conclusive answers. I hope someone who has knowledge can help.

Mother and baby holds european passports.
And they will be here on LTDP, I do not want my child to have a
Singapore passport unless he/she can decide to revoke it.(I will
leave it up to him/her when the appropriate age comes.)

My questions are:

1. Does my child have to be registered as a Singaporean by a certain age or he can stay here on LTDP indefinitely?
2. What are the complications if any should my child be a boy about NS obligations.
3. Can he/she be registered in singapore as a singaporean after childbirth and have a singapore passport and then decide to surrender it at a certain age?

Thank you very much!

 

[eatshitndie]

Have a question for about passports and immigration for my kid here. My wife is european, and our baby will be born in europe. Currently wife is here one LTDP, As i still have work n businesses here baby and her will be back in singapore for at least a few years hopefully less I have been searching for answers to how the visas and long term stay thing works in singapore but have not found any conclusive answers. I hope someone who has knowledge can help.

Mother and baby holds european passports.
And they will be here on LTDP, I do not want my child to have a
Singapore passport unless he/she can decide to revoke it.(I will
leave it up to him/her when the appropriate age comes.)

My questions are:

1. Does my child have to be registered as a Singaporean by a certain age or he can stay here on LTDP indefinitely?
2. What are the complications if any should my child be a boy about NS obligations.
3. Can he/she be registered in singapore as a singaporean after childbirth and have a singapore passport and then decide to surrender it at a certain age?

Thank you very much!

if your child is born in europe and holds a european passport, he can stay as an ltdp kid for the few years you're in sg. if you did not register your child as sinkie after birth and do not want your child to be one and holding a sinkie passport, no worries. but if you did and plans to apply a sinkie dependent passport for him based on your sg citizenship, do not renew and get an nric number before 11. once your kid is registered as a sinkie citizen and has been deemed by the authorities to "enjoy the benefits and privileges" of a sinkie citizen, he has to go through the full gamut of getting a sgd75k bond or the sum of 50% of both parents' combined income from 11 onwards, registering for ns at 16.5, seeking deferment from ns from 16.5 to 21, obtaining exit permit for every year he's away from sg, and deciding whether to renounce sinkie citizenship at 21.

the ica link for ltvp (ltdp is also considered as ltvp as you are the sponsor) if your child is below 21 years and you are a sinkie citizen is as follows:

https://www.ica.gov.sg/page.aspx?pageid=176&secid=171

 

[scroobal]

Yours is a complicated arrangement as your primary work and residence is here and you are Singaporean. Your first issue will crop up when you apply LTDP for your son. That will determine what takes place thereafter. The Govt's philosophy is to ensure that parents do not structure a child's status to avoid NS. The ones that are granted exemption or are deemed not liable for NS and where one parent is a Singaporean and that parent has applied for migration or is holding a foreign resident/working visa and would be eligible to gain citizenship in that country. A Singaporean merely married to a foreigner is not deemed as such.

To provide context - cases such as yours are not uncommon even among Singapore scholars who while studying overseas for their post grad have kids that are born overseas and hold citizenship overseas. The end result is they are still liable for NS as the govt does not issue LTDP for such kids.

The operating mechanism is the ability to show evidence of migration for the family including yourself before the kid turns 13 years of age.

Have a question for about passports and immigration for my kid here. My wife is european, and our baby will be born in europe. Currently wife is here one LTDP, As i still have work n businesses here baby and her will be back in singapore for at least a few years hopefully less I have been searching for answers to how the visas and long term stay thing works in singapore but have not found any conclusive answers. I hope someone who has knowledge can help.

Mother and baby holds european passports.
And they will be here on LTDP, I do not want my child to have a
Singapore passport unless he/she can decide to revoke it.(I will
leave it up to him/her when the appropriate age comes.)

My questions are:

1. Does my child have to be registered as a Singaporean by a certain age or he can stay here on LTDP indefinitely?
2. What are the complications if any should my child be a boy about NS obligations.
3. Can he/she be registered in singapore as a singaporean after childbirth and have a singapore passport and then decide to surrender it at a certain age?

Thank you very much!

 

[scroobal]

I ask that you do not provide any information as you have misled people in the past. You changed your moniker from Cutebayhunk to the present when your claims of ex-singaporean getting arrested for passport issues were found to be false.

if your child is born in europe and holds a european passport, he can stay as an ltdp kid for the few years you're in sg. if you did not register your child as sinkie after birth and do not want your child to be one and holding a sinkie passport, no worries. but if you did and plans to apply a sinkie dependent passport for him based on your sg citizenship, do not renew and get an nric number before 11. once your kid is registered as a sinkie citizen and has been deemed by the authorities to "enjoy the benefits and privileges" of a sinkie citizen, he has to go through the full gamut of getting a sgd75k bond or the sum of 50% of both parents' combined income from 11 onwards, registering for ns at 16.5, seeking deferment from ns from 16.5 to 21, obtaining exit permit for every year he's away from sg, and deciding whether to renounce sinkie citizenship at 21.

 

[eatshitndie]

I ask that you do not provide any information as you have misled people in the past. You changed your moniker from Cutebayhunk to the present when your claims of ex-singaporean getting arrested for passport issues were found to be false.

i'll accede to your request as this is your thread and let you be the bitchy queen of your domain. it wasn't false as they were accosted to the ica office at the airport and asked to give up their foreign passports or sign the oath of renunciation or else they would be detained for a court hearing. all cases did not proceed to prosecution and thus did not show up in court records as they "voluntarily" signed the oath of renunciation at the airport. what could they do? they could hire a lawyer, but for what when they were just visiting for 2 weeks. the section in the statutes i pointed out several times on this site has a 6 months jail or $1000 in fines, and that was cited to them while they were being held up for hours. i don't need to repeat posting it again as you have selectively chosen to ignore it when presented with the evidence.

 

[Charlie99]

Re: 6 months jail or $1,000 fine
for which offence?
or for holding 2 passports?

 

[scroobal]

You have misled people on many issues such as dual citizenships etc. You started off by frightening people who were migrating or have migrated about NS liability until I put a stop to it. Singapore cannot seize a foreign passport and demand renunciation. That person is also a citizen of another country and has rights. Singapore govt can however deprive a local of the Singapore citizenship if it wants to but it is not a requirement. Either you are making these false claims deliberately or a member of some wives club that hear gossips.

The passport renewal at 11 etc that you just posted was done away with 12 years ago. Passports of male singaporean kids no longer automatically expire at 11. These are all erroneous. Passport renewal at 11 is no longer a trigger point.

Even if you start your own thread on this I will point you out.

i'll accede to your request as this is your thread and let you be the bitchy queen of your domain. it wasn't false as they were accosted to the ica office at the airport and asked to give up their foreign passports or sign the oath of renunciation or else they would be detained for a court hearing. all cases did not proceed to prosecution and thus did not show up in court records as they "voluntarily" signed the oath of renunciation at the airport. the section in the statutes i pointed out several times on this site has a 6 months jail or $1000 in fines. i don't need to repeat posting it again as you have selectively chosen to ignore it when presented with the evidence.

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: 6 months jail or $1,000 fine
for which offence?
or for holding 2 passports?

for holding 2 passports and returning to sg with a foreign passport instead of an sg passport.

 

[eatshitndie]

You have misled people on many issues such as dual citizenships etc. You started off by frightening people who were migrating or have migrated about NS liability until I put a stop to it. Singapore cannot seize a foreign passport and demand renunciation. That person is also a citizen of another country and has rights. Singapore govt can however deprive a local of the Singapore citizenship if it wants to but it is not a requirement. Either you are making these false claims deliberately or a member of some wives club that hear gossips.

when and where did i say sg seized a foreign passport? you're either imagining details that were not there or creating your own story for lack of details. now since you've blown your bogus horn, let me fill in the details for you. she's a sinkie-born lady with both sg and french passports at time of entry. instead of using her sg passport, she flashed her frenchie to impress including speaking in french. her french passport indicated her sinkie name and cuntry of birth, and officer asked if she also carried her sg passport. she nodded, and officer asked her for it to take a look. officer then called for backup. it was then that they returned her the frenchie pp, held the sinkie pp and asked her to follow them to the office with french hubby in tow. i travelled with them so i know. kapish? clear now?

 

[scroobal]

After all these years, more than 10 years, you are now claiming that you traveled with them and now there is French husband as well. Previously it was she alone when she was stopped.

Anyway look at your latest post. 11 yrs, passport renewal at 11 etc. It also wrong. Please don't post on this subject.

when and where did i say sg seized a foreign passport? you're either imagining details that were not there or creating your own story for lack of details. now since you've blown your bogus horn, let me fill in the details for you. she's a sinkie-born lady with both sg and french passports at time of entry. instead of using her sg passport, she flashed her frenchie to impress including speaking in french. her french passport indicated her sinkie name and cuntry of birth, and officer asked if she also carried her sg passport. she nodded, and officer asked her for it to take a look. officer then called for backup. it was then that they returned her the frenchie pp, held the sinkie pp and asked her to follow them to the office with french hubby in tow. i travelled with them so i know. kapish? clear now?

 

[eatshitndie]

After all these years, more than 10 years, you are now claiming that you traveled with them and now there is French husband as well. Previously it was she alone when she was stopped.

there are certain info that i willfully withhold from you as i don't owe you any further details since your imagination runs faster than anything presented in spurts. nothing here is presented 100% in order for you to have everything served on a silver platter. you'll jump to conclusion anyway based on half a phrase.

 

[scroobal]

Again misleading and false. You can carry as many foreign passports in your name if you are diligent enough to qualify and acquire that many number of foreign citizenships. There is no such offence . You can actually carry all the foreign passports prominently on your head at you head towards immigration desk.

The offence is not presenting a valid Singapore passport when you hold one. If your Singapore passports has expired, you can use a foreign passport to enter Singapore. The primary intention is show a primary identifier when entering or leaving Singapore.

The Singapore authority however will take your foreigner passport even if you have valid Singapore passport. The disembarkation card that travellers have to fill does not even ask if you are Singaporean or hold a Singapore passport. They only ask if you have travelled under a different name. Your name and DOB will immediately show that you are a Singaporean when immigration swipe the passport.

If they wanted to they could easily get people to declare on their disembarkation card.

for holding 2 passports and returning to sg with a foreign passport instead of an sg passport.

 

[nayr69sg]

for holding 2 passports and returning to sg with a foreign passport instead of an sg passport.

When we visited Singapore last year, we used our Canadian passports. Passed through immigration smoothly.

I wonder if it was because our Singapore passports had all expired already? They didn't ask any questions at all.

In fact we spoke in Singlish to the officer just to see if there was any reaction. Nothing.

I had prepared all our old passports, documents etc (since we were planning to renounce our Singapore citizenships anyway). So the fact that it was totally uneventful was a big anti-climax. :lol:

 

[scroobal]

Oh please, at various times in the past, you implied that you were OMS, from Intelligence Services, etc. Why stop now? Already pointed out that your post of today shows errors about passports expiring at age 11. Anyone can google and find out that this was removed nearly 12 years ago. Your post is in black and white for all to see. I did not write the erroneous content, you did. Looks like you served yourself on a silver platter.

there are certain info that i willfully withhold from you as i don't owe you any further details since your imagination runs faster than anything presented in spurts. nothing here is presented 100% in order for you to have everything served on a silver platter. you'll jump to conclusion anyway based on half a phrase.

 

[Charlie99]

Wow,
You passed SG's immigration desk with valid Canadian passports, when you had a valid SG passport,
without any questions asked.

 

[winnipegjets]

Wow,
You passed SG's immigration desk with valid Canadian passports, when you had a valid SG passport,
without any questions asked.

I have known a number of people who have done it.

SG government closes an eye on dual citizenship. I know of someone who declared that he has Canadian citizenship when applying for a SG passport. The individual was told that it was not possible; he without hesitation told the officer that he wants to give up his SG citizenship. He was advised by a senior ICA officer to take some time to decide. He got his SG passport eventually without giving up his Canadian citizenship.

 

[winnipegjets]

When we visited Singapore last year, we used our Canadian passports. Passed through immigration smoothly.

I wonder if it was because our Singapore passports had all expired already? They didn't ask any questions at all.

In fact we spoke in Singlish to the officer just to see if there was any reaction. Nothing.

I had prepared all our old passports, documents etc (since we were planning to renounce our Singapore citizenships anyway). So the fact that it was totally uneventful was a big anti-climax. :lol:

My friend complained to me that his renunciation of SG citizenship was a non-event. They just sent her a crumpled letter stating that she was no longer a citizenship as of a certain date. SG government must be tulan.

 

[winnipegjets]

You're right. My mom only knows Singapore and the lifestyle here. Familarity with the local issues, joining her friends going for makan, and services of a maid. The outdoors, nature, doesn't mean anything to her, and neither is beer nor ice-hockey, in fact whilst in Canada, everytime I take her out, it's to makan dim-sum! I got so sick of it! And I don't speak Canto! Can't stand that lingo anyway. More at ease with Hokkien and Singlish, and even Malay for that matter. Yup, Canada ain't perfect (the local newspapers shoot down the gahmen every opportunity they get, even the radio DJs too! Culturally, Canada is right on top of the world, great musicians and bands, activities, and just a huge huge country! Too big actually (I don't mind if Quebec separates!!!) Alberta can join Texas if she wants to! Ontario alone is bigger than East and West Germany combined!! Having lived to this age, I don't need that much land. A country the size of Johore will suffice!

Canada isn't that difficult to emigrate to actually. Lots of immigrants there don't even speak English! Don't know how they entered, but they did! Some East Europeans even got in as refugees because they got AIDs and said they'd face discrimination in their own country because of sexual orientation harassment! Might want to give this a try? Who knows? Might work y'know?

Cheers!

Waiting for the Liberals to make it easier again. My last shot at Canadian PR.

 

[winnipegjets]

Won't work lah. I actually started off in Edmonton. If you go Edmonton I can try asking my ex-colleagues at the PVC windows factory if can get a job for you. Oil is down so I doubt the Oil and Gas Land Administration sector has many openings at the moment.

Calgary.....I came here for my family medicine residency. Other than that I have no idea what kind of jobs are available here. City wise Calgary is a lot less friendly than Edmonton IMHO. If not for the job I would not have moved to Calgary.

You are right, Edmonton is nicer city than Calgary. I find Calgarians more red-necked than Edmontonians. Maybe a decade of Nenshi would change Calgarians eventually.

I had my classmates tell me straight in my face that foreign students are not welcome as they were taking up spots that could have gone to Albertans. I told him that our presence boost the economy and provided essential funding for the university. But they were so pig-headed to even grasp that and these were graduate economic students!

I much prefer Manitoba ...friendly but boring. It is okay for a quiet and peaceful life. Not sure now with the Conservatives in power there.