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DPRK and Singapore

steffychun

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http://www.nknews.org/2015/04/north-korea-and-singapore-two-families-two-nations/

he death of Lee Kuan Yew on March 23 is a reminder of the intriguing parallels between North Korea and Singapore and the importance of context in deciphering events. Parallels involve dissimilarities as well as similarities and for states to be comparable requires that both are of roughly the same order of magnitude and probability so that the pairing of the two provides insight. There must be enough common ground for differences to be meaningful. There would be little point in comparing either North Korea or Singapore with Brazil, or Pakistan, or the United States, or the Vatican – the differences are too overwhelming. But North Korea and Singapore do fit together quite well.

The starting point is the role of the two families – the Kims in Korea and the Lees in Singapore. Both countries are essentially one-party states with, so far, an inherited leadership. Kim Jong Un is where he is today because he is the son – though significantly not the eldest son, of Kim Jong Il. And Kim Jong Il was the son of Kim Il Sung. In Singapore, the leader – here the Prime Minister rather than the President – Lee Hsien Loong is the (eldest) son of Lee Kuan Yew. In both countries power does not reside with the nominal head of state.

Family dynasties are by no means uncommon. They flourish in monarchies, by definition, and many corporations (though professional managers tend to take over in time) and in many republics – India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Korea and the United States, to name a few. The mode of succession may vary and certainly in North Korea it has been much more overt than in Singapore. Lee Hsien Loong did not take over immediately on the retirement of his father; there was a caretaker government under Goh Chok Tong. Lee Kuan Yew sat “behind the screen” in the Chinese tradition as senior minister and then minister mentor, and Lee Hsien Long sat in the wings, quickly rising through the ranks to become the youngest Brigadier General in Singapore’s history. He had a very appropriate education – Cambridge, Harvard and the United States Army Command and General Staff College.

Moreover, Lee Yuan Yew and his team were very politically adroit to blend in; apart from bringing the Malay elite into government there is the widespread use of Malay words (Istana for the Presidential Palace, Majulah Singapura for the national anthem), symbols as exemplified by the national flag with its prominent Islamic crescent moon, and even the uniforms of Singapore Airlines female cabin crew. Singapore’s emphasis on the military, and its compulsory two-year military service for males, is due not so much to any military threat but the desire to instil discipline, obedience to authority and a sense of national identity (that this runs counter to the avowed national aim of promoting creativity and innovation is a dilemma that many countries, not least the two Koreas, face).

National identity, with all it entails, is perhaps the key point of comparison between North Korea and Singapore. This brings in the question of personal agency (the role of the individual) and contextual, extraneous forces. Obituaries, by their nature, tend to focus on the role of the individual concerned, and the prevailing discursive device in Western narratives about international affairs is to personalise countries under attack – hence Kim Jong Un’s Korea, Putin’s Russia, Assad’s Syria – hence obscuring the fact that what is happening is essentially a dispute between states and their interests. It is necessary not to overinflate the role of individuals but to give due weight to context. And the foundation of context is location.

The history and present situation of both (North) Korea and Singapore have been moulded by their relationship to imperialism, which in turn has been determined by location. However, the relationships have been very different. Korea was transformed by Japanese colonialism, but Korea existed before and after the Japanese period. Singapore, on the other hand, was created by British colonialism. Like Hong Kong, it was no more than a fishing village before the British arrived, with their need for ports to sustain and service imperial trade, as well as military bases to keep the locals in order and competitors at bay. Many obituaries implied that Lee Kuan Yew was the creator of Singapore; the New York Times, for instance, described it as “the Nation that Lee Kuan Yew Built.” Poor Stamford Raffles, who established Singapore in 1819, would have turned over in his grave, and would have been particularly miffed by the article in Foreign Policy which declared that “Lee Kuan Yew built a gleaming metropolis out of an ex-colonial backwater.”

THE HANDS THEY WERE DEALT

The Republic of Singapore is certainly ex-colonial, but the place has not been a backwater since 1819. Lee’s achievement was to forge a nation after the departure of the colonial power out of disparate immigrant groups but what he did was essentially a continuation, and development, of a process established by the British. And Stamford Raffles had not conjured Singapore out of thin air; faced with the need for a port linking Britain’s possessions in India and China, and a base to keep an eye on the Dutch in the East Indies (modern Indonesia) he realized the potential of this island on the Strait of Malacca. Location was the key to Singapore’s creation and growth and remains so today. The importance of the waterway stretches back into history and today 94,000 ships pass through it per year, carrying a quarter of the world’s traded goods.

Lee Kuan Yew undoubtedly did much to develop modern Singapore and he could have made a mess of things; a comparison with that other major port of the British Empire “East of Suez,” Aden, might be illuminating. But he might also be seen as a skilful actor reading, and transforming, a script written by location and history.

Singapore and Korea were dealt different cards by the contesting forces of the American Century
The script handed to the Kim family was very different. Korea had its own long history, and a deep cultural tradition, irrespective of external forces. It had been greatly impacted by them – Chinese culture, Japanese colonialism, American intervention – but was identifiably Korean. Whereas post-colonial Singapore had little choice but to continue on the path established for it, for Korea in 1945 the situation was very different; it could return to the past. Whether as a unified peninsula, or even just the northern part, the re-creation of an independent, self-reliant economy freed of the constraints of Japanese colonialism was a natural choice. This was, for instance, the path that post-colonial India set out on as did post-1949 China. Or indeed the newly independent United States of America in 1776.

But again Singapore and Korea were dealt different cards by the contesting forces of the American Century. Singapore benefited greatly from America’s wars in Asia, especially that in Vietnam, whereas the Korean Peninsula, especially the north, was devastated by the Korean War (though Park Chung-hee did make hay out of sending troops to the Vietnam one). Singapore was nurtured by the burgeoning growth in international trade post-Bretton Woods, and whilst South Korea benefited from the international system, combining self-reliance and export-led growth under Park Chung-hee, North Koreas was largely excluded. Singapore became a key node of the international economy, sustained by external forces but scarcely threatened by them, while the Korean Peninsula remained essentially a battleground, mainly for America’s containment of China.

Both the Kims and the Lees come out of the Confucian tradition, and this gives some explanation for their similarities, as does the task of forging new nations out of what they inherited from the past. However what stands out are the many differences, of which the most prominent is that the Kims are demonized while Lee Kuan Yew has generally been eulogized, with reservations in some quarters. Is the issue really just authoritarianism or perhaps something to do with independence? Ben Judah, in describing “the Curse of Lee Kuan Yew” castigates Lee most of all for having inspired the current bête noire of American foreign policy, Vladimir Putin.

Examining context throws light on the complexity of events and illuminates both why people do things, and how those actions are portrayed.
 

frenchbriefs

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very nicely written article,it manages to criticise singapore and the government without being too obvious or obtrusive or too open for defamatory lawsuit.
 

eErotica69

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One very crucial point lacking in the article is that it did not mention that there is election in Singapore while none in N.Korea!!!

If people are not happy with PAP, they vote them out.

Gong chee bye article!
 

frenchbriefs

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One very crucial point lacking in the article is that it did not mention that there is election in Singapore while none in N.Korea!!!

If people are not happy with PAP, they vote them out.

Gong chee bye article!

the only gong chee bye is you,surely u can come up with better kool aid than that?having elections means ur free and democratic?north korea also had elections,nazis also had elections.for your info north korea won their elections with 100 percent success rate,even more impressive than your PAP.
 

eErotica69

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the only gong chee bye is you,surely u can come up with better kool aid than that?having elections means ur free and democratic?north korea also had elections,nazis also had elections.for your info north korea won their elections with 100 percent success rate,even more impressive than your PAP.

You are the gongest chee bye!

You must be one of those ball-less twits who KPKB about PAP daily here, yet come GE, you gwai gwai vote for PAP!
 

steffychun

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One very crucial point lacking in the article is that it did not mention that there is election in Singapore while none in N.Korea!!!

If people are not happy with PAP, they vote them out.

Gong chee bye article!

I think there is an election but super rigged of course. At least 100% there. Here at least we know 60%
 

Sinkie

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The country that can be compared with Singapore is Hong Kong, since both were British colonies and nearly similar size and no natural resources, but I've always wondered why Britain gave up Singapore but instead held on to Hong Kong until the lease expired.

It was Britain giving up Singapore, not LKY liberating Singapore from colonial rule. Also, it was the Americans that defeated the Japanese, not LKY or the British.

Of course now Hong Kong is a SARS of China but that is post 1997. Before that, Hong Kong was a British colony. It didn't fare that badly. It's Hang Seng is recognized and traded internationally, just like the Nikkei, Footsie and Dow Jones. STI leh? KNN, shameful man.
 

steffychun

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The country that can be compared with Singapore is Hong Kong, since both were British colonies and nearly similar size and no natural resources, but I've always wondered why Britain gave up Singapore but instead held on to Hong Kong until the lease expired.

It was Britain giving up Singapore, not LKY liberating Singapore from colonial rule. Also, it was the Americans that defeated the Japanese, not LKY or the British.

Of course now Hong Kong is a SARS of China but that is post 1997. Before that, Hong Kong was a British colony. It didn't fare that badly. It's Hang Seng is recognized and traded internationally, just like the Nikkei, Footsie and Dow Jones. STI leh? KNN, shameful man.

The British did not give up Hong Kong, they followed their agreement. The Brits have no money left because they mismanaged their economy. How to maintain troops in Hong Kong? HK people dont do national service.
 

Narong Wongwan

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One very crucial point lacking in the article is that it did not mention that there is election in Singapore while none in N.Korea!!!

If people are not happy with PAP, they vote them out.

Gong chee bye article!

Read my sig you dumbfuck chump!
Vile Pappies shoulc just do away with elections.
I doubt anything will happen to them even if tomorrow lee family officially declares a monarchy. Foreign pressure will be minimal and like always gong Cheebye sinkie's will just diam diam.
So let's just stop all the charades and do it.
 

PaulStanley

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Some of my North Korean news from my North Korea thread under my clone KimJongUn are from from NKNews

PAP IB clones like steffychute and eatshitndie has no shit ideas and has to troll on websites i visit. In short they are copycats, molanyong, jiak liao bees. :biggrin:

Posting copy n paste stuffs are easy peasy for me though i am an advertiser at the sammyboy sister site. Be warned that i can zap the PAP IB clones with my numerous advertiser accounts, complain as advertiser to have them ban or accounts deleted. :biggrin:
 

steffychun

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Some of my North Korean news from my North Korea thread under my clone KimJongUn are from from NKNews

PAP IB clones like steffychute and eatshitndie has no shit ideas and has to troll on websites i visit. In short they are copycats, molanyong, jiak liao bees. :biggrin:

Posting copy n paste stuffs are easy peasy for me though i am an advertiser at the sammyboy sister site. Be warned that i can zap the PAP IB clones with my numerous advertiser accounts, complain as advertiser to have them ban or accounts deleted. :biggrin:

Blah blah blah...you protesting for your idol AMOS yee yet?
 

Sinkie

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The British did not give up Hong Kong, they followed their agreement. The Brits have no money left because they mismanaged their economy. How to maintain troops in Hong Kong? HK people dont do national service.

Did I say the British gave up Hong Kong? You really need to have your eyes checked.
 

eErotica69

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Read my sig you dumbfuck chump!
Vile Pappies shoulc just do away with elections.
I doubt anything will happen to them even if tomorrow lee family officially declares a monarchy. Foreign pressure will be minimal and like always gong Cheebye sinkie's will just diam diam.
So let's just stop all the charades and do it.


Sure sure you gongest ball-less chee bye. Bet you are one of those twits who KPKB about PAP in cyberspace, but in real life you and your parents vote for PAP!!

You are one of the 60.1%, you twit!!
 
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JohnTan

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North Korea is an example what could go wrong if the Workers' Party came into power. The ruling party in North Korea is the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK). That's why I don't dare to vote for WP.
 

steffychun

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North Korea is an example what could go wrong if the Workers' Party came into power. The ruling party in North Korea is the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK). That's why I don't dare to vote for WP.

Low Thia Kiang believes in first world. Kim does not.
 

Sinkie

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You really need to keep your opinions to yourself.

Go fuck spiders lah, cheebye......

And you better return ALL the points I gave you.......fucking kuniang, dun get on my nerves.

No wonder your cheebye points keep dropping........no matter how it's prop up.....cos you
got a stoopig brain and dirty mouth.......
 
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