Does anyone know how ISD agents work?

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I'd love all kind attention, even watching me shit. I'm a megalomaniac, remember?

well said. ////

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

I opine our neighbours up north are our number one threat. Followed closely by neighbours down south. Ramseth, tiok bo? Historical and geopolitical factors are cardinal considerations.

Geographically Indonesia can threaten us via the seas. You are right about history being important though. Sometimes history can be the decisive factor, in ways i myself don't understand. The balance of power is very delicate.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Mr Goh you are right. We are right in the middle of it

Singapore is an important support base to allow fleets from the other side (including Australian support) of the globe to pass through and form the basis of reinforcement after the Pacific fleets have been expanded. If you are Chinese generals, you would definitely want to destroy the possibility of further reinforcement to enemy's fleets early, before your capabilities of doing so diminished.

Singapore may be far away but it is too strategic as it has no replacement, unlike those bases in Japan or Korea. US won't trust Muslim countries to be alternative support base. Once the base of reinforcement is destroyed, the war is half won by Chinese.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[wikiphile]

Geographically Indonesia can threaten us via the seas. You are right about history being important though. Sometimes history can be the decisive factor, in ways i myself don't understand. The balance of power is very delicate.

The state of their armed forces is nowhere threatening to us at the moment, not for the next 20 years at least. TNI has identified local threats as their priority for the 21st century - seperatist movements, fundamentalists and so on as their list of targets. The 3 main shipping channels - Sunda, Sulawesi and Lombok are and have to be opened to International shipping. If not the Americans and the Australians and to a certain extent China have something to say.

Malaysia remains our biggest threat despite the coziness between UMNO and PAP, when both parties are not in power anymore then let us hope that our guns are pointing in the right direction.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Indonesia is the greater threat. Malaysia and Singapore can just scold each other like couples bickering but has never really bombed each other. But Indonesia has bombed Singapore before, fought Singapore in Brunei jungles etc.

Goh Meng Seng

We will agree to disagree then.

You rest your case simply coz of bombs and fighting in Brunei jungles? I rest mine on historical baggage, proximity, racial issues, conflict of interests etc.

If based on bombs, surely US is Japan's greatest threat?

 

[GoldenDragon]

Wikileaks says the Isrealis don't think highly of SG security capabilities and in reforming extremists. No real reason for Isrealis to be untruthful here. Hope things have since improved.

The Israelis trained us in the past. Experts are brought in as instructors to train our guys in intelligence, espionage and terrorism. Military wise too. Surely they possess the intimate knowledge to assess us.

Am not surprised if they don't think highly of our capabilities. They are like Man U while we, Warriors and Home Team standard only. If one of their agents almost became a Syrian minister of defence in the past, need we say more? Btw, info was from overt source.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Geographically Indonesia can threaten us via the seas. You are right about history being important though. Sometimes history can be the decisive factor, in ways i myself don't understand. The balance of power is very delicate.

From what is visible to the naked eye, we appease the Indons more than our closest neighbours. For instance, when the big shots from Indon arrived as our official guests, MINDEF pays the bill for all their shopping. We are talking about 6 figures here. They take and walk out after packing. MINDEF staff collects the bills and pay either on the spot or at later date.

Agree with you on balance of power. We cannot antagonise our two closest neighbours. If ever they do unite as one to take us on, we will be in deep shit. LKY appeased Suharto in the past. Never Dr M.

 

[wikiphile]

From what is visible to the naked eye, we appease the Indons more than our closest neighbours. For instance, when the big shots from Indon arrived as our official guests, MINDEF pays the bill for all their shopping. We are talking about 6 figures here. They take and walk out after packing. MINDEF staff collects the bills and pay either on the spot or at later date.

Agree with you on balance of power. We cannot antagonise our two closest neighbours. If ever they do unite as one to take us on, we will be in deep shit. LKY appeased Suharto in the past. Never Dr M.

I like that story best, the old man was forced to place wreaths on the tombs of 2 spies he hanged. Then Suharto was appeased and carried on the cozy relationships from then on.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

From what is visible to the naked eye, we appease the Indons more than our closest neighbours. For instance, when the big shots from Indon arrived as our official guests, MINDEF pays the bill for all their shopping. We are talking about 6 figures here. They take and walk out after packing. MINDEF staff collects the bills and pay either on the spot or at later date.

Agree with you on balance of power. We cannot antagonise our two closest neighbours. If ever they do unite as one to take us on, we will be in deep shit. LKY appeased Suharto in the past. Never Dr M.

Wow that's nice huh. 6 figure bills which is of course chicken feet money to mindef.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Wow that's nice huh. 6 figure bills which is of course chicken feet money to mindef.

In most places, no need to pay immediately coz shopowners trust MINDEF (long time relationship) even though we, the citizens of Singapore, don't. How to when privileged few can 'siam' NS? Then come out with justifications. Can also be elected president. What a joke!

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

In most places, no need to pay immediately coz shopowners trust MINDEF (long time relationship) even though we, the citizens of Singapore, don't. How to when privileged few can 'siam' NS? Then come out with justifications. Can also be elected president. What a joke!

This is shittypore for you. Where it's of course on the surface a very lawful and efficient society but underneath has lots of dirt.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

We will agree to disagree then.

You rest your case simply coz of bombs and fighting in Brunei jungles? I rest mine on historical baggage, proximity, racial issues, conflict of interests etc.

If based on bombs, surely US is Japan's greatest threat?

War or bombing is a reflection of the effect of the combined decisive factors. US bombing of Japan is one thing but US has also put up funds for its reconstruction, along with Europe. Indonesia did nothing of that sort and you have rightly pointed out, it seems that we have been trying to appease them all this while.

To make clear of my point, the comparison between Malaysia and Indonesia must be made clear. Malaysia and Singapore will be unlikely to go to war because of the ground relationship between individual families of the laymen, both of Malay and Chinese families. Although Malaysia has a system of law which discriminate the Chinese and Indians but it has been seen as giving priorities to the Malays. The racial mix is relatively more balanced than Indonesia and that is why Indonesia has more incidents of racial riots (against the Chinese). In this context, these "soft linkages" have more impact on Malaysia while Indonesia would disregard such insignificant factor altogether.

Proximity, in relative terms, is basically irrelevant here. Both Malaysia and Indonesia are just a stone throw away. Conflict of interests? Malaysian political leaders have more competition with Singapore's as compared to Indonesia. Historical baggage? It basically went back to Confrontation period.

In short, there are a lot more things for Malaysia to consider before it really want a military campaign against Singapore. It is not easy for Malaysia to embark on such campaign because there is only one front. But for the Indonesians, we would face 270 degree front with them. Luckily, the sea is one effective barrier against it.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[MightyMouse]

GMS,

While I appreciate your candor, perhaps it's may be wiser that you comment less on matters relating to our neighbouring countries particularly with regards to defence. As someone aspiring for political office (assuming that you are still coming back in 2016) and also an officer in the SAF, it would not be good that you get quoted or mis-quoted on such matters. You don't have the luxury of anonymity enjoyed by the many users of this forum.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Hi MightyMouse,

Long time no see.

All written here with regards to such topic are on public domain. Nothing classified or secrets. Of course, there is a matter of opinion, like potential bombing from China but it is all based on logical conclusions. However, sometimes those up there don't really see it clearly. What I say actually have little weight but when old man went around talking about bringing in US military for "balancing of power", we need to worry more.

I appreciate your kind advice. I will take note in further discussions.

Goh Meng Seng

GMS,

While I appreciate your candor, perhaps it's may be wiser that you comment less on matters relating to our neighbouring countries particularly with regards to defence. As someone aspiring for political office (assuming that you are still coming back in 2016) and also an officer in the SAF, it would not be good that you get quoted or mis-quoted on such matters. You don't have the luxury of anonymity enjoyed by the many users of this forum.

 

[Ramseth]

GMS,

While I appreciate your candor, perhaps it's may be wiser that you comment less on matters relating to our neighbouring countries particularly with regards to defence. As someone aspiring for political office (assuming that you are still coming back in 2016) and also an officer in the SAF, it would not be good that you get quoted or mis-quoted on such matters. You don't have the luxury of anonymity enjoyed by the many users of this forum.

Don't worry about him. You know why he's always sent to train in Australia? In case of Indonesia attacking Singapore, even the straits are indefensible since Singapore is so small. The ANZUK alliance must be able to counter attack Indonesia from behind. Malaysia is not a problem and has never been a problem. It didn't even want Singapore even when it's given to them on a platter. In the merger and rioting years in mid 60s, all the Tungku needed to do was to legally arrest LKY and Singapore would become another Penang or Malacca for good.

Singapore poses a problem to Malaysia only if Malaysia annexed Singapore with all the political, racial and religious differences. Give it them free, also they don't want. Singapore poses no threat to Malaysia at least. All those folklores about turning off water taps and invading for water taps are just urban legends to pacify NSmen.

In a case of aggression from Indonesia, Singapore and ANZUK would count Malaysia as allies too, at least support and logistics allies. Malaysia and Indonesia has been at loggerheads for centuries. The last thing Malaysia wants to see is any further expansion of Indonesia. Indonesia is the common threat to both Singapore and Malaysia.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Singapore poses a problem to Malaysia only if Malaysia annexed Singapore with all the political, racial and religious differences. Give it them free, also they don't want. Singapore poses no threat to Malaysia at least. All those folklores about turning off water taps and invading for water taps are just urban legends to pacify NSmen.

There is intense jealousy by the Malaysians but that will never translate into open hostility. It simply means the malaysian political elite has to engage in posturing and hot air in order to pacify their own electorate. We have been playing this game for decades. As long as there is mutual benefit, no one wants to upset the status quo. Water supply, palm trees, Johor Bahru, are all distractions for lesser mortals to consume.

The real threat is indonesia because of their inherent instability and the islamist entrenchment.

 

[eatshitndie]

There is intense jealousy by the Malaysians but that will never translate into open hostility. It simply means the malaysian political elite has to engage in posturing and hot air in order to pacify their own electorate. We have been playing this game for decades. As long as there is mutual benefit, no one wants to upset the status quo. Water supply, palm trees, Johor Bahru, are all distractions for lesser mortals to consume.

The real threat is indonesia because of their inherent instability and the islamist entrenchment.

hate to chime in here on subjects of such sheer stupidity. traditionally, the malay peninsula is a direct threat to sg due to geography and the "terrain" factor. it doesn't matter who is in charge in malaysia, madhatter, madmansg, madmanml, nutjob, taliban, al qaida, or a chin peng wannabe. even if ml is run by a friend of sg, it is still a perceived critical threat. this is going along with fundamental principles of geopolitics, "buffer" defense and diplomacy, and history. historically, the ml peninsula gave sg more pain than the archipelago of in. ww2 is a perfect example. any major hostile invader or hegemon would identify the peninsula as critical ground for staging, springboard, and strategic choke. sg is just the tip of such a critical area. the emergency after the war also offered theories on why the peninsula was critical to global commie expansion, north to south. after the vietnam war, threat scenarios by all 3 countries in the "path" (thighland, malaise-sia, and stickysore) also point to a north-south hostile route by an "expansionist" commie vietnam. sg, by design, has to have contingency plans in place to handle multiple north-south threats, no so much by malaysia, but by "others" who view ml as the natural bowel movement getting to the shithole at the end of a bloated rectum.

 

[bullfrog]

You are mixing things up. An easy hinterland becoming easy prey to advancing occupying forces does not mean it is a threat to Singapore in geopolitical sense. It will be a soft buffer which in SIN's interest good to exploit by occupation and forward defence.

Malaysia and SIN share much history under the Brits. Indonesia is the real threat in terms of political stability from rogue govts.

hate to chime in here on subjects of such sheer stupidity. traditionally, the malay peninsula is a direct threat to sg due to geography and the "terrain" factor. it doesn't matter who is in charge in malaysia, madhatter, madmansg, madmanml, nutjob, taliban, al qaida, or a chin peng wannabe. even if ml is run by a friend of sg, it is still a perceived critical threat. this is going along with fundamental principles of geopolitics, "buffer" defense and diplomacy, and history. historically, the ml peninsula gave sg more pain than the archipelago of in. ww2 is a perfect example. any major hostile invader or hegemon would identify the peninsula as critical ground for staging, springboard, and strategic choke. sg is just the tip of such a critical area. the emergency after the war also offered theories on why the peninsula was critical to global commie expansion, north to south. after the vietnam war, threat scenarios by all 3 countries in the "path" (thighland, malaise-sia, and stickysore) also point to a north-south hostile route by an "expansionist" commie vietnam. sg, by design, has to have contingency plans in place to handle multiple north-south threats, no so much by malaysia, but by "others" who view ml as the natural bowel movement getting to the shithole at the end of a bloated rectum.

 

[eatshitndie]

You are mixing things up. An easy hinterland becoming easy prey to advancing occupying forces does not mean it is a threat to Singapore in geopolitical sense. It will be a soft buffer which in SIN's interest good to exploit by occupation and forward defence.

Malaysia and SIN share much history under the Brits. Indonesia is the real threat in terms of political stability from rogue govts.

i looked at everything from a purely food consumption, digestion and shitty perspective: how food become shit, how shit flows and what happens when shit hits the fan. indochina is the stomach in which thighland is the lower stomach controlling entry into the small intestine. vietnam is the esophagus where heartburn occurs. the isthmus of kra is the small intestine. malaysia is the rectum or big intestine. sg is the anus. indonesia is the shit that hits the fan, spread all over the entire room. cleaning the shit after it hits the fan is pointless and waste of time. best thing is to ensure there is no fan at the shithole or shit stays firm and manageable where the rectum is.

 

[bullfrog]

Therefore it is better to arrest any infection, inflammation, or cancer of the colon or rectum by attacking it with probiotics rather than have to face the shit from all that diarrhoea to yr nostrils all the time.

i looked at everything from a purely food consumption, digestion and shitty perspective: how food become shit, how shit flows and what happens when shit hits the fan. indochina is the stomach in which thighland is the lower stomach controlling entry into the small intestine. vietnam is the esophagus where heartburn occurs. the isthmus of kra is the small intestine. malaysia is the rectum or big intestine. sg is the anus. indonesia is the shit that hits the fan, spread all over the entire room. cleaning the shit after it hits the fan is pointless and waste of time. best thing is to ensure there is no fan at the shithole or shit stays firm and manageable where the rectum is.