Does anyone know how ISD agents work?

[captainxerox]

Don't know if botak is ISD source or Yankee source or both, but such intricate relations don't develop over night and if you watch infernal affairs the cultivation could be months or years starting with simple questions and tasks.

wikileaks documents were quite some years ago, given his prominence now he would be a plum cheery for the picking.

yup. to put things in context, he denied before last time that he was funded by swedes around the time of the aware saga. so he would not be a virgin to these conspiracy theories, even if true or not. since he is outed by wikileaks, he would be careful of giving the wrong signals anyway from now on lest he gets a knock on the door in the middle of the night.

 

[captainxerox]

Yes, but in Paplish, both ways are applicable, vice versa with a subtle difference.

paplish becoming newspeak slowly from upturn the downturn as the painful start of the process from one marina. as syme said in 1984, "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words"

 

[GoldenDragon]

Not sure if you meant it to come out that way. PAP (MIW) will never betray the country but non-PAP (Non-MIW) politicians will betray the country? Does not seem logical.

I was suanning the MIWs and all their supporters. We are humans afterall. Even MIWs misuse and abuse their positions when they have something to personally gain from foreigners.

 

[GoldenDragon]

lol this assessment of double standards largely true. the sad joke is that miw, the ones with connections in the government, are let off and one eye closed while the opposition and those outside the system with little or no connections in the government, are hounded two eyes open.

Sadly, that's the reality here. Until we get more opposition chaps into parliament, it will remain status quo for a long time.

 

[zhihau]

Sadly, that's the reality here.

ask any man on the streets if they understood the significance of the 2/3 aye in Parliamentary seatings and you'd be better off at managing to sell away any Hello Kitty collectables :p:p:p

 

[scroobal]

The way wrote it earlier suggest the other . It's a given that they have been abusing their position. Look at Dhanabalan's daughter, Philip Yeo's son, Leong Mun Leong's son etc. the list just goes on and on.

I was suanning the MIWs and all their supporters. We are humans afterall. Even MIWs misuse and abuse their positions when they have something to personally gain from foreigners.

 

[Fook Seng]

ask any man on the streets if they understood the significance of the 2/3 aye in Parliamentary seatings and you'd be better off at managing to sell away any Hello Kitty collectables :p:p:p

Most people, even educated ones, think that you need 2/3 ayes to govern. Most do not know that 2/3 ayes is meant to protect the minority and not to give the majority party additional power.

 

[zhihau]

Most do not know that 2/3 ayes is meant to protect the minority and not to give the majority party additional power.

you have my vote

 

[cheekenpie]

Most people, even educated ones, think that you need 2/3 ayes to govern. Most do not know that 2/3 ayes is meant to protect the minority and not to give the majority party additional power.

What's more scary is those who vote the pappies in don't know what the 2/3 majority means...

 

[byleftcan]

Francis Seow is not a spy. He was persuaded to run for elections with the an US residence as Insurance if all hell breaks lose. The same offer was made to few others. Hendrikson was an overzealous chap trying to introduce democracy to people living on "trees" as he thought.

All respectable opposition identities, including elected and non elected individuals are approached by various foreign embassies, MNC, Think Tanks etc. on a regular basis for their views, to make presentations, or take part in discussions. These are not subversive activities. We are not exactly North Korea. We are high capitalist where the economy is concerned.

Frankly Siew Kum Hong has no access to anything and is of a little value to foreign countries. He does not sit on any military tender committee, or any meaningful govt entity. He is also not financially strapped like Francis Seow. FS was continually get into financial strap from day one, long before he ever entered politics. His girlfriend used to pay his bills.

Siew Kum Hong is least likely to used by any individual let alone a foreign entity.

However as you implied, Siew Kum Hong has no access now but he might be persuaded to run for election in future. The same Faustian deal for the former SG might be in the works for the former NMP who is active in the human rights arena, which is right up Washington's pet interests and exports for people living in trees even now. However, it is true that just because academics, private sector leaders, activists and politicians are sought for their views, it does not make them subversive, just sources as a start.

 

[cheekenpie]

yup. to put things in context, he denied before last time that he was funded by swedes around the time of the aware saga. so he would not be a virgin to these conspiracy theories, even if true or not. since he is outed by wikileaks, he would be careful of giving the wrong signals anyway from now on lest he gets a knock on the door in the middle of the night.

Perhaps SKH is a source and not an agent. I won't be surprised if ISD has a direct or indirect line to him. Keep your friends close and enemies closer. In any case, he did ISD a favor by helping to gun down the xtian fundies during the aware saga. The godless ISD farkers are perhaps well indoctrinated by the agnostic old man to keep religions as far away as possible as they're a threat to pap power.

 

[byleftcan]

yup. to put things in context, he denied before last time that he was funded by swedes around the time of the aware saga. so he would not be a virgin to these conspiracy theories, even if true or not. since he is outed by wikileaks, he would be careful of giving the wrong signals anyway from now on lest he gets a knock on the door in the middle of the night.

He is the new darling for rights advocacy in Singapore for some Western countries it seems, besides the Chee Soon Juan group.

 

[byleftcan]

Perhaps SKH is a source and not an agent.

Semantics? To-may-toe, To-mar-toe.

 

[elephanto]

knnbccb, hew !
at last I made it to page 23....
soooooooooooooo interesting this thread, these posts....

 

[eatshitndie]

keep cumming back because of byleftcan's avatar. those boobs are not work safe.

 

[knightriderz]

Hmm... U referring to eli cohen who gt caught out by a GRU monitoring team?

The Israelis trained us in the past. Experts are brought in as instructors to train our guys in intelligence, espionage and terrorism. Military wise too. Surely they possess the intimate knowledge to assess us.

Am not surprised if they don't think highly of our capabilities. They are like Man U while we, Warriors and Home Team standard only. If one of their agents almost became a Syrian minister of defence in the past, need we say more? Btw, info was from overt source.

 

[psy83]

What does 2/3 ayes mean?

 

[CannonFairy]

Francis Seow is not a spy. He was persuaded to run for elections with the an US residence as Insurance if all hell breaks lose. The same offer was made to few others. Hendrikson was an overzealous chap trying to introduce democracy to people living on "trees" as he thought.

All respectable opposition identities, including elected and non elected individuals are approached by various foreign embassies, MNC, Think Tanks etc. on a regular basis for their views, to make presentations, or take part in discussions. These are not subversive activities. We are not exactly North Korea. We are high capitalist where the economy is concerned.

Frankly Siew Kum Hong has no access to anything and is of a little value to foreign countries. He does not sit on any military tender committee, or any meaningful govt entity. He is also not financially strapped like Francis Seow. FS was continually get into financial strap from day one, long before he ever entered politics. His girlfriend used to pay his bills.

Siew Kum Hong is least likely to used by any individual let alone a foreign entity.

Ask Subhas Anand for his opinion on Francis Seow.

 

[CannonFairy]

Just some thoughts after reading this discussion...

Well. Roundtable and parties infiltrated with people u think can trust but might be ISD agent.

That botak Siew Kum Hong may also be ISD agent. He very interesting and rose to become sort of titan among intellectuals critical of the government. I remember during his NMP term, he sibeh hiong always urged for more democracy, transparency, freedom of speech and expression, film censorship and repealing gay sex law. That botak joined Maruah as a founding member when he was still NMP in 2007. Remember that Maruah was started under the auspices of ASEAN Intergovernmental Commission for Human Rights. Also interesting was that he did all these while still keeping his job as a legal counsel. He got good boss man. Credit to him, he has said controversial things smartly and always within very flexible reason so as not to get himself into trouble. Yet say so much and didn't get into trouble?

Recently from Wikileaks, that botak was listed as a "protect" source of the Yankees giving his piece on political development in Sinkieland. Is he Yankee agent? Or sent in as trap by ISD as ISD knows Yankees want to recruit lawyers like Francis Seow's time?

I thought this is a good observation.

Siew Kum Hong is involved in everything USA-ed from pro-homo to 'democracy' and human rights but he never get into trouble. I don't recall he was involved in any political parties, or he choose to be a free spirit. What else is he involved in?

If what I read in this discussion thread from page 1 makes any sense, then Siew Kum Hong is a very powerful informant. He knows Governmental policies because he was NMP, he knows the 'democracy' movements in Singapore because he is involved. He knows the internal plans and he can just pass what he knows to the Americans or our ISD or whoever bids the higher price. Whichever way, he is the winner.

 

[HellAngel]

Based on my limited understanding of human behaviour.

Anyone could be an ISD agent or contact. It only requires to find the right way to persaude a person to believe in what he is going to do. Everyone has a price, the only issue is whether he is "value for money".

SKH being an US agent? It is not unbelievable. Sometimes, the most "hardcore" looking guys are the easiest to get. Because of his appearance, he was never approached although he may had been "hoping" to. One of the best way to get foreign funding is to start NGOs.

Look at it this way, Indonesia is the "springboard" for terrorists and US is the "springboard" for political run-aways. They will launch attack on Sinkapore from abroad, just like the recent SDP forum. Many sinkie political run-aways will seek residences in US and the US knows that. This is a great "buying-in" when locals are being approached. I think SKH is the kind that will buy the idea.