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Democratic progress not about number of opposition MPs in Parliament: PM Lee

In any election in a democratic country, it is one man, one vote. The pappies' concept of democracy is weird under GRC, a system where an unpopular politician and morally rotten person can become MP, for example, that Palmer guy. A voter put in one vote and 5 MPs are allowed into Parliament in that one vote.

Is there any country in the world with this GRC? None. Is this democracy in action? Pappies call it "democracy" but in reality, is it?

Their argument is to maintain a racial harmony, the minority Indians, Malays will not be represented in parliament, they are voted in GRC & work by meritocracy to become a minister.....if they are left to one to one voting....the Indians, Malays & others like Palmer or even Lionel De Susa will not get voted...

This is to maintain a racial harmony based on , "justice, & equality..to build a democratic society"..sic!
 
We have seen 5 decades of the PAP rule where the people are totally ignored.

To be fair to the pappies, the sinkies were not totally ignored under 5 decades of pappies' rule.

In the beginning, the pappies were the gods to the sinkies when LKY became the PM and their lives changed from poverty to prosperity, mass illiteracy to high level of education, job skills, better housing, etc in the first 3 decades. During those 3 decades, sinkies had the good life under the pappies' rule. The pappies did not ignore them, the pappies worked for them.

Suddenly, LKY had a different vision, like seeing a ghost and decided foreigners should be welcomed with open arms and legs into sinkie land and the nightmare for sinkies began. It happened around last 2 decades ago and sinkies were ignored here and there. Till today, who came first in the eyes of the pappies?
 
Their argument is to maintain a racial harmony, the minority Indians, Malays will not be represented in parliament, they are voted in GRC & work by meritocracy to become a minister.....if they are left to one to one voting....the Indians, Malays & others like Palmer or even Lionel De Susa will not get voted...

This is to maintain a racial harmony based on , "justice, & equality..to build a democratic society"..sic!

This argument is flawed. In mudland, Chinese MPs were still elected by Melayu voters. In sinkieland, many Malay and Indian MPs were voted by the Chinese. MPs in sinkie land were never voted into Parliament on racial lines. The pappies created GRC to whack the oppo parties and all other reasons were just LKY's bullshits.
 
In an interview with ASEAN journalists on Thursday (Jun 4), says the quality of the opposition in Parliament, and substance of debate in Parliament is what counts as progress for Singapore's style of democracy.


  • POSTED: 05 Jun 2015 18:00
  • UPDATED: 05 Jun 2015 18:32

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Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's interview with ASEAN journalists on June 4, 2015 (Photo: MCI)

SINGAPORE: In a wide-ranging interview with a group of ASEAN journalists who are in Singapore for a learning journey on Thursday (Jun 4), Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong was asked about Singapore-style democracy and its stage of development.

Mr Lee stressed that democratic progress comes from quality discussion in Parliament, not the number of opposition members. He described the duty of the opposition as one to "raise serious issues which concern the country, which offers real alternatives to the population and which then debates the hard choices which the country has to make".

"If they do that, whether they have one member, whether they have ten members, they are good opposition," Mr Lee said. "If they don’t do that, you may have 20, 30 members, you are not being responsible. So, I would not go on the numbers. I would go on the substance of the debate.”

Mr Lee said Singapore's democratic system, with regular elections is one that works for the country. "It is a system which has delivered stable Government and competent Government for Singapore and one which has a mandate to govern effectively and do what Singapore needs," he said.

Still, Mr Lee said expectations are changing and this in turn will affect the way the Government operates, so the Government will adjust accordingly. "We are looking for our own way forward. I don’t know if you call it a Singapore model for other people to follow, but it is a model which Singapore is making it work for ourselves," he stated.

Turning to the PAP's governance, Mr Lee said the key is in delivering policies which are in the interest of the people. He acknowledged though that it doesn't mean the party can "win everybody".

"In the last election we had 60 per cent of the votes. So, it is a clear majority but it is not 100 per cent. But I think that is so in any society. It is not possible however hard you work," he said.

“I am not sure whether I would put it as what went wrong," Mr Lee elaborated.

I would say 60 per cent is a good result. If you look at the developed countries, in Britain, they have just had an election, 60 per cent voted and about one-third voted for the Tories. So that means 20 per cent of the population have chosen this present government of the United Kingdom. And if you go to America it is also about 60 per cent voting and about 50 per cent will win you the presidential elections. Sometimes 50 per cent plus one vote. Sometimes even less than 50 per cent."

Mr Lee said that is the way democracy works. "There are different views within the society. We try our best to bring together people so that we have a broad consensus of support for the government. You may not like everything which the government does. But on balance, you are prepared to say this Government is not bad. We vote for it.”

Asked about Singapore after the death of its founding father Lee Kuan Yew, Mr Lee, who is the former Prime Minister's eldest son, said a new team has been in charge since 1990.

"Well, Mr Lee retired as Prime Minister 25 years ago in 1990 and he retired from the Cabinet completely four years ago in 2011. And really a new team has been in charge since 1990 and there has been a turnover even in the new team, so I am not the second generation leader, I am the third Prime Minister.

"So in a way, Mr Lee has been preparing Singapore for the day when it carries on without him for a very long time and now he has left, it is a very sad thing that on the 50th anniversary he is not able to be with us to celebrate the success which he had such a big part in creating, but I think he has prepared well and Singapore is well set to move ahead and take our country further steps forward," Prime Minister Lee said.

"Of course, we would have like to continue to have his wisdom, his advice, the confidence that he has been with us all along and that whatever happens, he can help us to see through from thick or thin, but the reality is increasingly in the last 15 years, it is a new team which has been taking Singapore, making the decisions, carrying them, persuading people or dealing with problems when they have risen and I think that will continue to be so now.”

Mr Lee added that what he has learned from his father is to continuously put in the effort to make Singapore better. “Well, I think in all the years he was in Government, he never stopped making the effort to make Singapore better. And you have to be able to do that.

"I remember going to one country once, and this was about 25 years after the Government had taken power," Prime Minister Lee recounted. "It is a Latin American country and every time their people briefed us before the revolution - it was like this, after the revolution it is like this. But the revolution is 25 years ago. What happens since the revolution? Not so many things have happened since the revolution. But that was the milestone and after that, well, they just carry on and no, not so much progress.

"I think we have tried very hard not to be that bad, and we have to keep on moving forward. There are also stresses and strains moving forward. It is not so easy to keep on making progress because people have to change. But if you do not make progress, I think we would be finished.”

Prior to their interview with Mr Lee, participants of the 7th ASEAN Journalists Visit Programme (JVP) organised by the Ministry of Communications and Information called on Education Minister Heng Swee Keat on Wednesday, and also visited agencies such as the Urban Redevelopment Authority, National Gallery Singapore and ITE College Central.

- CNA/ly

Youngest BG want to re-defin democracy?! Go back to nursery school!
 
Low should hit out to show that the PAP government is incompetent

LTK is stupid to claim the PAP Govt is incompetent. If pappies incompetent, there is no lion city today. The pappies today are just useless and lost in certain areas of governance and their implementation of some policies, but not totally incompetent.
 
The Opposition cannot win if the Elections Department is not independent of the Government

This is not true.

Elections in the past had proven the success of JBJ, WP and other oppo parties in getting into Parliament and they won or lost in each election due to fair and free election, nothing to do with the Election Department.

The pappies won because they managed to convince sinkies that they could make life better for the people. Today, this claim now sounds hallow when many sinkies lost their jobs to foreigners, SPRs, FT, pass holders. Time for pappies to reflect on how to win votes but it may be too late when young hunks like Amos are now also out to hantam the pappies.
 
Cut the crap, Pinky and shaft in it your arse.

It was NOT just the parliamentary system but the whole system of democracy like the control of msm, transparency of TH and abolish GLCs for fair level playing field competitions in the private sectors that need change.

Let us get rid of you first and show you the real parliament progress is like. We have enough of your father shit system and want change. It is not for you to continue this shit legal from your father.


In an interview with ASEAN journalists on Thursday (Jun 4), says the quality of the opposition in Parliament, and substance of debate in Parliament is what counts as progress for Singapore's style of democracy.
 
If he doesn't want to be the PM, then let someone else who wants to take the rein

Naive to believe that LTK does not aim for the post of PM. He did not mean what he said. Otherwise, why should he still be the Sec Gen of the WP? Seat warming only? Hardly. He is just bidding his time, not to beat the grass to frighten the snake.
 
PAP controlled MSM to the extend to blocking Sinkies from watching neighboring TVs and News that they think neighbors Malaysia, Phillipines, Indonesia are still kampong and fishing villages and Singapore is the only modern city envy by the neighbors.

You think Malaysia government are not progressive like PAP and are doing the same thing?

Malaysian Chinese and m&ds are living in much much better housing like landed terrace houses and bungalows better than HDB shit blocks.

Who is fair to whom? PAP lied to us for 50 years and that is enough!




To be fair to the pappies, the sinkies were not totally ignored under 5 decades of pappies' rule.

In the beginning, the pappies were the gods to the sinkies when LKY became the PM and their lives changed from poverty to prosperity, mass illiteracy to high level of education, job skills, better housing, etc in the first 3 decades. During those 3 decades, sinkies had the good life under the pappies' rule. The pappies did not ignore them, the pappies worked for them.

Suddenly, LKY had a different vision, like seeing a ghost and decided foreigners should be welcomed with open arms and legs into sinkie land and the nightmare for sinkies began. It happened around last 2 decades ago and sinkies were ignored here and there. Till today, who came first in the eyes of the pappies?
 
agree. It is the Sinkies daft mentally not progressive and courage enough to make the change. Sometimes I think FTs Malaysians are the problems that keep voting for PAP. Now there is a wind of change FTs from other countries hope they would not be like FT Malaysian sabo Sinkies.




Naive to believe that LTK does not aim for the post of PM. He did not mean what he said. Otherwise, why should he still be the Sec Gen of the WP? Seat warming only? Hardly. He is just bidding his time, not to beat the grass to frighten the snake.
 
Naive to believe that LTK does not aim for the post of PM. He did not mean what he said. Otherwise, why should he still be the Sec Gen of the WP? Seat warming only? Hardly. He is just bidding his time, not to beat the grass to frighten the snake.

Shld LTK bcome PM it be no diff frm a PAP Pm, he too, has many Cronies eyeing the Pot of Gold. Imagine! every TC Manager will be paid 50k and allowed to operate the TC business, overnite we hve addition millionaires made by courtesy of WP.
 
Naive to believe that LTK does not aim for the post of PM. He did not mean what he said. Otherwise, why should he still be the Sec Gen of the WP? Seat warming only? Hardly. He is just bidding his time, not to beat the grass to frighten the snake.

LTK PM of the country?the man who sound like he picked up english from the ah peks and ah sohs at the kopitiam or watching jackie chan movies?only person that sound worse would be yam ah mee.
 
If its not about the number of oppositions why the fuck PAP want to fix opposition? Why need to use kangaroo court to sue them? Why need to use ISD on them? Why the need for GRC? Fuck you Lee Hsien Loong, you can go eat cow dung.
 
LTK PM of the country?the man who sound like he picked up english from the ah peks and ah sohs at the kopitiam or watching jackie chan movies?only person that sound worse would be yam ah mee.

............,we be Pinish! back 2 square loot Wan. haha
 
This argument is flawed. In mudland, Chinese MPs were still elected by Melayu voters. In sinkieland, many Malay and Indian MPs were voted by the Chinese. MPs in sinkie land were never voted into Parliament on racial lines. The pappies created GRC to whack the oppo parties and all other reasons were just LKY's bullshits.

To them, it is not a flawed, but a brilliant idea to maintain a race balance & promote racial harmony....that's also, the reason, we got kicked out of Federation of Malaysia...
 
Shld LTK bcome PM it be no diff frm a PAP Pm, he too, has many Cronies eyeing the Pot of Gold. Imagine! every TC Manager will be paid 50k and allowed to operate the TC business, overnite we hve addition millionaires made by courtesy of WP.

That is hardly shocking, it is a Chinese traits that is fused into the DNA...when I become 'the emperor'....those who had been with me, benefits...
 
it is abt how you screw your ppl without them knowing................
 
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