Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover up?

[kiwibird7]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Deaths are part and parcel of life. You don't just discard an entity just because of accidents.

Road accidents cause far more deaths than national service but we don't clamor for the closing of the road network because the transport network is an essential part of today's civilized world.

NS deaths are the same. In order for training to be realistic boundaries need to be pushed to make training beneficial. Otherwise it is just a waste of time. The benefits of a strong defense system far outweigh a few sacrifices that have to be made.

1. Of course there will always be DEATHS in 'realistic' training scenarios BUT NS conscription FORCES one into such an environment where one is exposed against ONE's choice. None of the NSFs would want to serve in military service if given a choice.

2. It has NOT been proven that a NS Conscription mode of DEFENCE is a STRONG DEFENSE system in the first place as opposed to a 100% professional army. Just because LKY said so? The circumstances in the 1960s where it was mooted may not be relevant today or it could even be outmoded just like the supremacy of the Battleship vs Aircraft carriers!

3. If a professional soldier dies in a training accident then you can say that his death is part and parcel of his career choice and life.

4. But then again it is not really the PAP or MINDEF's fault for so many deaths in SAF because the great majority of SINKIE PARENTS support NS conscription, and when their sons die in training accidents, they should really just shut the F*** UP!

 

[PTADER]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Some donkey wrote about a Hero Canadian Major who pleaded guilty for a death of soldier. What he did not reveal was that the major offered a reservist officer as a scapegoat when the investigation first began. That scapegoated officer was convicted and dropped 2 ranks down. The Court of Appeal threw out the conviction. The AG when preparing for the appeal realised that they have been sent up the creek, began proceedings against the major. The reason the Major pleaded guilty was to avoid a trial where it would reveal how he sacrificed his no.2 to save his own hide. The wrongly convicted officer was however reinstated to his original rank continues to serve in the reserves. It did not have to take 3 years to clear the mess and destroy people's life. That Major if he had done his duty, no lives would have been lost in the first place and if he had told the truth during the investigation, he would not have tortured an innocent reservist for all the years until the appeal.

Absolutely beautiful TPX story. Very creative and imaginative. Brought out a couple of tears from my ageing eyes. Now here are some inconvenient timelines and facts.


2010 February 12 - Death of soldier, Cpl Joshua Baker, from Claymore Mine training incident in Afghanistan resulting in three people ("Hero", TPX's "Alleged Scapegoat" & "WO" being court martialled in 2012 & 2013. (Ref: Click here)

2011 June - Two Officers (TPX's “Alleged Scapegoat” and Warrant Officer ("WO") under Lunney's command charged by the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service, the independent policing unit for the military. The charges will have to be approved first under the CFNIS' system and may be sent to a court martial later. (Ref: Click here)

2012 Feb - Charges preferred against TPX's "Alleged Scapegoat” & "WO". However court martial against these two still not convened yet. (Ref: Click here)

2012 September – “Hero Canadian Lunney”, Maj Christopher Lunney, is the 1st to be court martialled, BEFORE TPX's "Alleged Scapegoat" & "WO". (Ref: Click here )

2012 November - Maj Darryl Watts is the 2nd Officer AFTER Maj Lunney to be court martialled (Maj Watts is the Reservist Officer under Maj Lunney's command, TPX's “Alleged Scapegoat” who was supposed to have already been “convicted” before Lunney, “dropped 2 ranks”, “appealed”, "succeeded" in his "appeal”, his rank “reinstated” to “original rank” in this TPX bullshit story). (Ref: Click here)

2013 January – WO Paul Ravensdale is the 3rd to be court martialled. (Ref: Click here)


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[Debonerman]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

All the lor lee lor sor and nobody touches on the fact that a young Malay officer holding so much power over life or death of Chinese boy soldiers will end with the remote possibility of vengeance for 50 years and 7 months of halted dreams of bumiputraness.

 

[zeebjii]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

You're the halfwit here. NS has been around since 1967. Most male Singaporeans alive today would either have done NS or will be doing it within the next decade or so.

If you add up the total number of deaths due to NS, it is nowhere near the death toll on the roads. More than 10,000 have died on the roads in the last 40 years. That's 6 to 7 Battalions wiped out.

Singaporeans do not have a choice when it comes to using the roads. However they do have a choice when it comes to doing NS and they have been overwhelmingly endorsing military service at every election. In 2015, 70% of the voting population decided that the risks of NS are definitely worth undertaking for the security and stability of the country.

It's the loser 30% anti PAP brigade who continue to blow a lot of hot air over minor issues.

It's always easier to preach than to practise.

You took decades get over (did you?) the death of your cyclist friend hit by a taxi driver. You were so consumed with hate that you wished death upon all cab drivers. And that is only your friend.

FFS This mother just lost her precious son!:kma:

 

[Papsmearer]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

It's always easier to preach than to practise.

You took decades get over (did you?) the death of your cyclist friend hit by a taxi driver. You were so consumed with hate that you wished death upon all cab drivers. And that is only your friend.

FFS This mother just lost her precious son!:kma:

His boyfriend and lover?

 

[eatshitndie]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Absolutely beautiful TPX story. Very creative and imaginative. Brought out a couple of tears from my ageing eyes. Now here are some inconvenient timelines and facts.
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wow! can't believe you go all out, scour the records and produce evidence to call out and expose this fraud. not the 1st time by the way.

what is truly mind-boggling is that despite this day and age of the internet and official information releases by various agencies tasked under new disclosure and classified info-release laws in anglo-saxon cuntries, web operatives would still blatantly spew false bovine scatology out there to fool the under-researched and lazy bunch of imbeciles who are ready and willing to be bamboozled. and worse is that these frauds think they can get away with spreading falsehoods as the absolute truth.

notice the modus operandi and how "these" operatives will call out the dogs of the rogue brigade to spam and disrupt the thread once "their" kingpin and cannon fairy gets butt-exposed and the call-out hurts painfully both ego and credibility? the pattern is becumming too predictable.

 

[Leongsam]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

It's always easier to preach than to practise.

You took decades get over (did you?) the death of your cyclist friend hit by a taxi driver. You were so consumed with hate that you wished death upon all cab drivers. And that is only your friend.

FFS This mother just lost her precious son!:kma:

My point exactly. Emotional responses are never logical or reasonable. That is why the parents need to be brought back to reality.

BTW you missed the update of that taxi driver story. I now thank the taxi driver for taking that bastard cyclist out.

 

[PTADER]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

wow! can't believe you go all out, scour the records and produce evidence to call out and expose this fraud. not the 1st time by the way.

what is truly mind-boggling is that despite this day and age of the internet and official information releases by various agencies tasked under new disclosure and classified info-release laws in anglo-saxon cuntries, web operatives would still blatantly spew false bovine scatology out there to fool the under-researched and lazy bunch of imbeciles who are ready and willing to be bamboozled. and worse is that these frauds think they can get away with spreading falsehoods as the absolute truth.

notice the modus operandi and how "these" operatives will call out the dogs of the rogue brigade to spam and disrupt the thread once "their" kingpin and cannon fairy gets butt-exposed and the call-out hurts painfully both ego and credibility? the pattern is becumming too predictable

Yup, he's been spouting his numerous TPX bullshit for a longtime, using this nick and his other clone nicks. It would be too time consuming to correct all his TPX bullshit considering that there's a whole lot from him out there. There may be some other forummers who may post wrong information sometimes but one can tell that they are innocuously done and are genuine mistakes. This TPX chap is different. His intent in posting his numerous TPX tales is to dominate the forum, to dishonestly and deliberately deceive, to discredit views not in line with his, to drown out other posters, to insult, to sneak in a malicious spite, etc.

Yup, his, his clones and his rogue brigade's modus operandi is tiresomely formulaic.

 

[jw5]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

My point exactly. Emotional responses are never logical or reasonable. That is why the parents need to be brought back to reality.

BTW you missed the update of that taxi driver story. I now thank the taxi driver for taking that bastard cyclist out.

Why do you now thank the taxi driver?

 

[Leongsam]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Why do you now thank the taxi driver?

Because it turns out that the friend who was killed was not my friend after all.

 

[jw5]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Because it turns out that the friend who was killed was not my friend after all.

Well, since he's dead already, let bygone be bygones. Take it that what he did was an honest mistake and move on.

 

[jw5]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

4. But then again it is not really the PAP or MINDEF's fault for so many deaths in SAF because the great majority of SINKIE PARENTS support NS conscription, and when their sons die in training accidents, they should really just shut the F*** UP!

Sinkies will only wake up their idea when something bad happens to them or their family members. That is the nature of sinkies.

 

[rurouni]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

1. Of course there will always be DEATHS in 'realistic' training scenarios BUT NS conscription FORCES one into such an environment where one is exposed against ONE's choice. None of the NSFs would want to serve in military service if given a choice.

Contrary to popular belief, there is a choice, i.e. between suffering as an NSF or suffering as a prisoner in the Detention Barracks at Kranji Camp; but because the vast majority of Sinkie young men in their late teens lack enough courage to suffer as prisoners, so conscription keeps continuing.

DB is a much smaller military prison than the civilian one at Changi, so it has enough cells for only a few hundred prisoners, certainly less than a thousand; if just two thousand potential conscripts, or already conscripted NSFs, simply rebel and refuse to continue serving the SAF, there would not be enough space in DB to accommodate them.

2. It has NOT been proven that a NS Conscription mode of DEFENCE is a STRONG DEFENSE system in the first place as opposed to a 100% professional army. Just because LKY said so? The circumstances in the 1960s where it was mooted may not be relevant today or it could even be outmoded just like the supremacy of the Battleship vs Aircraft carriers!

The true "defence" (because it's actually counter-attack) is actually done by the Navy and Air Force.

The Army of Singapore is not, and has never been, designed for any land battles with Malaysia, let alone Indonesia, simply because of the high chance of the Sinkie Army losing in such land battles; at most, it might be ordered to occupy southern Johor after the combined strength of both the Sinkie Air Force (and maybe Navy) and the US military has defeated the Malaysian military if the Malaysian government/military dared to hurt Singapore in any significant way that might result in a war.

The truth is that the Sinkie Army was designed to weaken the spirit and morals of the majority of Sinkie young men, so that they fear the PAP government until they die, in order to prevent them from rebelling against the Sinkie upper class, and therefore protect the Sinkie upper class from both local and foreign enemies.
It's an ironic masterstroke by the Sinkie upper class because they protect themselves from any internal rebellion by the vast majority of Sinkie men by brainwashing/distracting the same Sinkie men into defending Singapore (including the upper class, who are actually enemies of the majority of Sinkie men) against potential foreign enemies.

4. But then again it is not really the PAP or MINDEF's fault for so many deaths in SAF because the great majority of SINKIE PARENTS support NS conscription, and when their sons die in training accidents, they should really just shut the F*** UP!

I would say that the vast majority of the overall fault belongs to both the government and the parents, followed by the cowardice of the vast majority of Sinkie young men, who are less blameworthy because of their youth and because of the fact that they are victims of brainwashing since even before they started schooling.

 

[Papsmearer]

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The truth is that the Sinkie Army was designed to weaken the spirit and morals of the majority of Sinkie young men, so that they fear the PAP government until they die, in order to prevent them from rebelling against the Sinkie upper class, and therefore protect the Sinkie upper class from both local and foreign enemies.

Actually, this is not the case anymore. The simple reason for NS to continue despite the end of the Cold War and no identifiable external threats, and in the face of other countries discontinuing their NS or reducing its term, is that the PAP needs a large military and a large budget to justify continued employment of the Scholar General scheme. The entire SAF Scholarship's main goal is to identify suitable candidates for the PAP to put into politics and to infiltrate into GLCs and Ministries and Stat boards in order to tighten the PAP grip on the country. Basically, the PAP is using taxpayer funds to groom and identify its future leadership, something that oppos have no access to.

In any case, just looking at the high number of PAP porlumpars put through the SAF Scholarship scheme, you can why they need a large military. Lets say if you have a regular full time army, and it numbers 100,000 strong. You will end up with a General or Colonel commanding 100 men each. A ludicrous situation to be in and sure to raise many questions in the population. But if you maintain NS and reservist, the PAP can then continue to install scholars to run reservist units as well as justify all sorts of TRADOC departments and what not and have these scholars run them. that is why they continue to keep the SAF the way it is. The brainwashing aspect is secondary because by the time the boys hit NS, the schools have already done a good job on that.

 

[jw5]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

I would say that the vast majority of the overall fault belongs to both the government and the parents, followed by the cowardice of the vast majority of Sinkie young men, who are less blameworthy because of their youth and because of the fact that they are victims of brainwashing since even before they started schooling.

Sinkie young women have been brainwashed more than the young men, in fact, NS may have negated some of this brainwashing by making the young men more defiant and rebellious. Hence, I would recommend that All Sinkie young women be made to serve NS, including running SOC in FBO.

 

[rurouni]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Hence, I would recommend that All Sinkie young women be made to serve NS, including running SOC in FBO.

Obviously, the PAP government is not going to do that because that might provoke a significant number of women to join the vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 60 who vote for any opposition party, right?

Hence, I would recommend at least two thousand of this year's Sinkie NSFs to simply go AWOL, and see what happens!

 

[jw5]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Obviously, the PAP government is not going to do that because that might provoke a significant number of women to join the vast majority of men between the ages of 20 and 60 who vote for any opposition party, right?

Hence, I would recommend at least two thousand of this year's Sinkie NSFs to simply go AWOL, and see what happens!

Aha! This means that you agree the sinkie young men are not that brainwashed and it is the sinkie young women who need to serve NS!

 

[jw5]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Actually, this is not the case anymore. The simple reason for NS to continue despite the end of the Cold War and no identifiable external threats, and in the face of other countries discontinuing their NS or reducing its term, is that the PAP needs a large military and a large budget to justify continued employment of the Scholar General scheme. The entire SAF Scholarship's main goal is to identify suitable candidates for the PAP to put into politics and to infiltrate into GLCs and Ministries and Stat boards in order to tighten the PAP grip on the country. Basically, the PAP is using taxpayer funds to groom and identify its future leadership, something that oppos have no access to.

In any case, just looking at the high number of PAP porlumpars put through the SAF Scholarship scheme, you can why they need a large military. Lets say if you have a regular full time army, and it numbers 100,000 strong. You will end up with a General or Colonel commanding 100 men each. A ludicrous situation to be in and sure to raise many questions in the population. But if you maintain NS and reservist, the PAP can then continue to install scholars to run reservist units as well as justify all sorts of TRADOC departments and what not and have these scholars run them. that is why they continue to keep the SAF the way it is. The brainwashing aspect is secondary because by the time the boys hit NS, the schools have already done a good job on that.

They need to keep these scholar generals happy and loyal, hence, the quick promotions and the lure of a GLC or ministarial position in their later lives.

 

[rurouni]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

Aha! This means that you agree the sinkie young men are not that brainwashed...

Yes, I agree that the women have been more brainwashed, and I never disagreed.

...and it is the sinkie young women who need to serve NS!

But I don't agree that Sinkie women need to be trained to kill.
Because I'm a:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchist
so I'm against both conscription and volunteering to become a soldier for both men and women.

 

[virus]

Re: Dead NS boy family ask for forensic report, MINDEF tell them to fuck off, cover u

You're the halfwit here. NS has been around since 1967. Most male Singaporeans alive today would either have done NS or will be doing it within the next decade or so.

If you add up the total number of deaths due to NS, it is nowhere near the death toll on the roads. More than 10,000 have died on the roads in the last 40 years. That's 6 to 7 Battalions wiped out.

Singaporeans do not have a choice when it comes to using the roads. However they do have a choice when it comes to doing NS and they have been overwhelmingly endorsing military service at every election. In 2015, 70% of the voting population decided that the risks of NS are definitely worth undertaking for the security and stability of the country.

It's the loser 30% anti PAP brigade who continue to blow a lot of hot air over minor issues.

NS has been around and doing NS, one has to don uniform as part of the discipline group.

Donning the uniform is also a form of camouflage and protection against enemies.

SO for a person who works in such environment, there has to be a greater level of care for safety and equally for discipline. For an officer to use in excess of smoke grenade permitted by the policies, he is in fact flouting safety rules and misconducting himself and through his rash act, endangered others leading to casualty.

So as a person who takes pride in his NS, you are expected to uphold and insist on others to do the same, uphold a higher order of discipline and safety.

Otherwise, everyone can turn up in their birthday suit or G-string for any training as if it is a beauty pageant than an exercise designed to preserve his life.