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Cruise ship sinking off Italian coast - like titanic

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:eek: Of course we have to order the women off the ship. We need them to handle childcare and not to get into the way of rescues.

Why Mindef do not accept women into NS.

not just my view, this is the view for expert too, they said it is very inefficient to spit men and women, the most important thing is speed. if you spilt family up, they slow down, and bottleneck near the lifecraft is a bad idea.
 

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THEY WERE PLAYING TITANIC SONG ....

Celine Dion’s hit My Heart Will Go On, used in the famous 1997 James Cameron film, was reportedly playing in one of the ship’s restaurants at the time.

Yannic Sgaga, from Switzerland, told newspaper La Tribune de Geneve he was listening to the song while dining with his brother when the ship crashed into rocks and started to keel over.

"Images from the film Titanic are more realistic than one might imagine," Mr Sgaga said. "They kept coming into my head."



Read more: http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/...no/story-e6frfq80-1226247888401#ixzz1jsCN29HX

not just my view, this is the view for expert too, they said it is very inefficient to spit men and women, the most important thing is speed. if you spilt family up, they slow down, and bottleneck near the lifecraft is a bad idea.

You have a point there. Speed and urgency means first come first serve. 4000 people to be rescued is a logistical nightmare. An added task of grouping people delay rescues.

:biggrin: My colleague suggested dividing the passengers into swimmers and non-swimmers. :biggrin:

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Luckily, this is just a 7-day cruise sticking close to shore.

But Ocean Cruises?
Why going on an ocean cruise is a bad idea.

1. A ship is a death-trap.
2. If someone falls sick, it becomes a quarantine hospital
3. Horror stories of passengers left behind on docks after the shore visit. (ship left early/traffic jam/tour delays)
4. Sick passengers cannot get off ship
5. Helicopter sent sick passengers to nearest hospitals which happened to be in bad/crime-ridden places.


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Too Big to Sail Question in Costa Concordia Safety Fiasco: View

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By the Editors Jan 19, 2012 8:05 AM GMT

In 1912, the RMS Titanic, the largest and most advanced passenger liner of its day, sank in the Atlantic Ocean, reminding the world there was no such thing as an invincible ship.

The Costa Concordia, a cruise ship so enormous that it is essentially a floating town, lies half submerged off the coast of Italy, making the same point today. The Titanic tragedy, which claimed some 1,500 lives, ushered in a new era in maritime safety law. A century later, the Costa Concordia debacle, in which 11 people have died and more than 20 are missing, raises the question of whether those measures are being effectively enforced.

The answer has direct implications for millions of seaborne travelers. The number of passengers on cruise ships has grown every year by an average of 7.6 percent since 1980, reaching 15 million last year.

To contain the pools, gyms, zip-lines, rock-climbing facades and multiple restaurants today’s cruisers expect, the ships keep getting bigger and bigger. The Costa Concordia carried more than 4,000 passengers and crew. Larger ships hold 6,000 people. With so many passengers on board comes the potential for great loss should disaster strike.

Deviation From Course
For the Costa Concordia, that moment came on Jan. 13, when its captain, Francesco Schettino, deviated from an authorized, computerized course to maneuver the ship close to the island of Giglio and ran it into a reef.

The cruise line, Costa Crociere SpA, and its parent, Carnival Corp. (CCL), have been eager to paint the disaster as the fault of Schettino, who is under house arrest and is expected to be charged with manslaughter. The companies’ position may be justified, but only up to a point. Costa Crociere has acknowledged previously giving Schettino permission to skirt the coast of Giglio. The practice of saluting ports in this way demands scrutiny. So does the record of the captain -- who not only wrecked the ship but also abandoned it and refused an order by the Italian Coast Guard to return to help evacuate passengers -- and the competence of those who promoted him.

Regardless, the responsibility for what happened after the ship ran aground suggests a wider circle of blame.

Passenger accounts strongly suggest that the Costa Concordia crew lacked training and discipline, and ignored basic international standards for passenger safety. At least some passengers say they received no safety briefing onboard. When the ship ran aground, passengers were given conflicting instructions about whether to stay in their rooms or abandon the Costa Concordia. Crew assistance to passengers trying to get off the listing vessel was haphazard at best, leading to panic and chaos.

The International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, adopted after the Titanic sank, clearly states that there should have been an emergency drill within 24 hours of the start of the ship’s voyage. Passengers who boarded afterward should have received safety briefings. From the moment the captain gave the signal to abandon ship, the crew should have loaded and launched the lifeboats within 30 minutes. As the search for missing vacationers attests, that was not accomplished.

Clearing the ship of all passengers in half an hour may sound like a tall order for a vessel with more than 4,000 people aboard. It’s not. First, for every three passengers, one crew member was there to assist with the effort. Second, these large ships are designed to hit a 30-minute evacuation deadline. Cruise ships that take on or drop off passengers at U.S. ports must pass this test twice a year in drills required and monitored by the U.S. Coast Guard.

Weekly Drills Required
The U.S. Coast Guard also requires that such ships present records proving that they have completed fire and evacuation drills once a week and that each crew member has participated in such drills at least once a month. These standards, established by the Safety of Life at Sea convention, have been promulgated by the International Maritime Organization. But as part of the United Nations, the organization relies on the coast guards and navies of member states to enforce the rules.

The Costa Concordia, which was plying a circular route around the Mediterranean, was well beyond the jurisdiction of the U.S. Coast Guard. Further investigation will determine whether the crew was sufficiently trained, and whether the maritime authorities of Italy, where the ship is flagged, and the other ports it visited were vigilant in enforcing the international standards. Any deficiencies will need to be addressed.

In the meantime, the ship’s ultimate owner, Carnival, which dominates the cruise industry with 49 percent of the business, should tighten the discipline on its ships, beginning with stricter control of routes, passenger safety briefings and crew training. The No. 2 in the industry, Royal Caribbean, would probably follow suit. Together, the companies control more than 70 percent of all cruising.

Both are already suffering the consequences of falling public confidence. Not only are travel agents reporting a drop in bookings during what should be peak season, but Carnival stock tumbled 14 percent after the shipwreck and Royal Caribbean fell 5 percent. If the companies take responsible action now, they would protect their businesses and perhaps prevent a new disaster.

While they’re at it, they might want to reconsider an old question from a new perspective: How big is too big? For years, industry insiders have debated ship sizing by looking at factors such as hull safety and shipboard experience. This most recent accident suggests a different line of inquiry: However many passengers a ship has, their safety depends critically on the captain, who may fail miserably. Do we want the fate of 6,000 pleasure-seekers resting on the judgment of just one man?
 
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It is not a good idea to allow beautiful good looking woman on the bridge of a ship, it is bad luck for the captain.


Drinks at dinner and then disaster: Was Captain Coward trying to impress glamorous blonde ballerina when he hit the rocks?
Italian police are seeking a ballerina they believe may shed light on the Costa Concordia disaster.

Domnica Cemortan was seen cavorting with Captain Francesco Schettino in the minutes before his cruise liner foundered on rocks.

Italian authorities believe 52-year-old Schettino – dubbed Captain Coward – may have been distracted from his command by trying to impress the dancer.

They consider the 25-year-old Moldovan blonde to be a ‘key witness’.
Eleven people are dead and 30 missing after the £400million ship came to grief on a rocky outcrop off the Tuscan isle of Giglio.

It was carrying 4,200 passengers.

Miss Cemortan, who has a two-year-old daughter, had worked as a translator for the Concordia but was on holiday on the ship at the time of Friday night’s disaster.

A grainy photograph was taken of her on the bridge.

It is thought she might be able to shed light on Schettino’s decision to sail close to Giglio to perform a ‘salute’ for a former crew member and for the ship’s head waiter.

Miss Cemortan and Schettino were seen wining and dining together 30 minutes before the disaster.

One passenger, Angelo Fabri, said: ‘The captain was in a dark jacket and he was sat in front of the woman – she was quite young and at first I thought it might have been his daughter.

‘She was slim, had blonde hair to her shoulders and was wearing a black dress with her arms uncovered. They were laughing and in high spirits.’

He said the captain was drinking wine – a claim that contradicts Schettino’s assertion that he stayed off alcohol.

A source for operator Costa Cruises said: ‘The woman who appears to have dined with Schettino was a Costa employee who had been hired to assist Russian passengers.
‘She was due to disembark from the Costa Concordia before it began its seven-day cruise of the Mediterranean but she bought a ticket and stayed onboard.

‘We cannot confirm or deny that she was on the bridge. To be honest, nobody quite knows what Schettino was up to.’

In an interview with Moldovan newspaper Adevarul, Miss Cemortan admitted being on the bridge on Friday evening and added that ‘he (Schettino) was there’.Italian newspapers yesterday claimed Schettino has admitted being with Miss Cemortan at the time and that she was not on the official passenger manifest.

Her mother Vera, who lives with her in the Moldovan capital Chisinau, said the seven-day cruise was a birthday present.

Yesterday Miss Cemortan defended Schettino: ‘I know that some of my colleagues should be upset because they are out of work now and they have debts and have kids waiting for them but we are all in agreement that the captain did something exceptional and saved 3,000 lives.’
Damning transcripts of a phone call between Schettino and a coastguard have since emerged – revealing his refusal to return to the listing ship to help co-ordinate the rescue of hundreds of stranded passengers.

Schettino says he deserted the vessel only because he ‘tripped’ and fell into a lifeboat.

A transcript released yesterday shows that – even 45 minutes after striking rocks – Schettino was telling coastguards the only help he needed was a tug.

He is under house arrest on suspicion of multiple manslaughter, abandoning ship and causing shipwreck. If convicted, he faces 15 years in jail. He is barred from leaving the £175,000 apartment he shares with his wife Fabiola and 15-year-old daughter Rossella in the coastal enclave of Meta di Sorrento, near Naples.

Yesterday, in a show of local support, a banner was put up outside his home saying: ‘Captain, don’t give up’.

Costa said it had suspended Schettino and launched civil action for ‘significant misbehaviour’.

It said he was not receiving any support or legal aid from the company.Divers resumed their search of the Concordia yesterday following a delay caused by the ship shifting position.

Susy Albertini, whose five-year-old daughter Dayana is missing, begged them to carry on.

‘Bring her home to me as soon as you can,’ she said.

Dayana was on holiday with her father, William Arlotti, 36, who is also missing.

Preparations are under way to remove the 2,200 tons of heavy duty diesel in the ship’s tanks – an operation expected to take a month.

Experts say sealife would be devastated were the oil to leak.
 

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I will hear from my travel agent soon.
I am supposed to board this cruise from Savona on 7 May. :mad:

I have news for you neddy. Your cruise will go on, it will be replaced by another ship Costa Romantica about 20 years old, which had an incident and was in dry dock refitted. You have two choice, go on this ship new name neoRomantica or get your money back, but you must backout before march.

It look like this
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History

Costa Romantica is a cruise ship for Costa Cruises completed 1993 as a sister ship to Costa Classica and was refurbished in 2003. Her public rooms are decorated with rare woods, Carrara marble, and millions of dollars in original works of art. There is also a full luxury spa aboard. Her decks are named for well-known European cities: Monte Carlo, Madrid, Vienna, Verona, Paris, London, Copenhagen and Amsterdam. In November 2011, Costa Romantica will undergo a 90 million euro refurbishment. The ship will be totally refurbished. Two new half decks will be added as a part of the refurbishment. This will increase the gross tonnage of the ship from 53,000 to 56,000 tons. After the refurbishing, the ship is to be renamed Costa neoRomantica. [1]
[edit]2009 engine room fire

On Wednesday, 25 February 2009, a small fire erupted in the engines and one of the electric generators of Costa Romantica off the coast of Uruguay, about 10 km from the city of Punta del Este. After the incident, the ship was stalled for more than 24 hours and for a long period there was no electricity or running water, the worst consequence of this was the clogging of most of the ships toilets. The ship was partially repaired and was able to sail to approximately 1 km from the coast where she was then evacuated by landing ships.
 

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Ah, dun worry, the whole costa cruise line now very alert, they are doing all safety drill and check just after they left the port, not like the concordia, drill was one day later, but they did not get to see another day on the ship. So, no one know what to do. The staff are badly train on safety procedure, of course, profit is most important, service second, not safety.
But now all have change.
You will enjoy the cruise. Enjoy.
 

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Concordia crew: 'Go back to cabins'

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DRAMATIC footage of a Costa Concordia crew member urging passengers to "Go back to your cabins" — despite the luxury liner being fatally holed — emerged today.
The film reveals the chaotic situation in the moments after the ship struck rocks.

Holidaymakers wearing red life jackets can be seen milling on the deck of the Concordia in the mobile phone footage which was posted on an Italian newspaper website.

Questions have already been raised as to the slow response from captain Francesco Schettino in waiting more than an hour to abandon the stricken 290m Concordia.

And the shocking footage confirms passenger accounts of how they were told to return to their cabins sending some of the victims to certain death.

The film also again underlines how Schettino and his crew were still insisting that the situation was all down to a "electrical black out".

By this stage he knew though that the ship had suffered a 70m gash in its hull after hitting a reef off the coast of the Italian island of Giglio as he sailed past too close in a mad moment of showboating.

The female crew member is seen telling passengers in Italian:"The situation is under control. Go back to your cabins. We ask you that you all return to your cabins. Once the electrical problem is sorted out everything will be back to normal shortly. Everything is under control. We are resolving the problem."

Video: "Go back to your cabins"
COSTA crew member tells passengers they have an "electrical problem"
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However just 30 minutes after the video was shot cowardly captain Schettino eventually gave the order to abandon ship.

By then it was too late as the ship had begun to list too far over for the lifeboats to be launched safely and passengers had to make their way down the superstructure of the hull using rope ladders.


This morning the search was called off after movement was detected by lasers pointed onto the ship and it was deemed too dangerous for the dive teams to carry on the hunt for the missing 21 victims who are believed to be lying in muster stations below on decks submerged below the water.



The main concern for teams working on the ship is the weather as although they have been lucky in the week following the tragedy the forecast is for strong winds and the fear is that it could whip up waves around the Concordia and shift it further - even possibly dislodging it from the rock shelf it is resting on.

Fire brigade spokesman Luca Cari said:"The search was suspended at around midnight because movement was detected. It was thought best to pull the dive teams out and we are now deciding the best course of action."
 
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THE Costa Concordia tragedy will have huge ramifications for cruising.
It had been travel's success story of the century. Years of bigger and ever-more glamorous ships and a huge increase in Brits trying out life on the ocean wave.

Cruising was – and remains – one of the safest forms of holiday travel.

It also offers great value for Brits hit by a weak pound and crumbling economy and more bigger ships have been chosen to cruise from the UK.

This should have been one of the best years yet for the industry but the unfolding story of evacuation chaos, lives lost and a "joyriding" captain who stands accused of deserting his ship could very well deter first-time cruisers.

Carnival – owners of Costa – are examining emergency procedures across their business including Carnival, Holland America, P&O, Princess and Cunard. Regular cruisers are likely to remain loyal but the industry faces a struggle to convince the new-to-cruise market.

More reassurance is needed now and far more must be done to show this was a terrible, one-off disaster.
 

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Thanks.

My travel agent is on CNY leave in Hongkong. But her staff told me that they will cancel my cruise and book additional hotel, etc for Lake Como/Cadenabbia area.

It is a relatively cheap cruise anyway. And what happened to the ship is not acceptable at all.


I have news for you neddy. Your cruise will go on, it will be replaced by another ship Costa Romantica about 20 years old, which had an incident and was in dry dock refitted. You have two choice, go on this ship new name neoRomantica or get your money back, but you must backout before march.
 
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A rescuer being lowered on the cruise liner Costa Concordia on Jan. 18 that ran aground in front of the harbor of the Isola del Giglio (Giglio island) after hitting underwater rocks on January 13. Emergency workers fear that the ship could slip from its resting place on a rocky shelf and slip into deeper waters.

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Rescuers surround the luxury cruise ship Costa Concordia after it ran aground off the coast of Isola del Giglio island, Italy, gashing open the hull and forcing some 4,200 people aboard to evacuate aboard lifeboats to the nearby Isola del Giglio island, early Saturday, Jan. 14, 2012. About 1,000 Italian passengers were onboard, as well as more than 500 Germans, about 160 French and about 1,000 crew members.
 

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A handout aerial view taken and released on Jan. 14, 2012 by Italian Guardia de Finanza shows the Costa Concordia, after the cruise ship ran aground and keeled over off the Isola del Giglio, on late January 13

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The cruise ship Costa Concordia lies stricken off the shore of the island of Giglio as floating barriers are positioned to prevent pollution of the coasts on Jan. 18, 2012 in Giglio Porto, Italy. The official death toll is now 11, with some twenty people still missing. The rescue operation was temporarily suspended earlier due to the ship moving as it slowly sinks further into the sea.
 

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Italian rescue personnel are seen atop the Costa Concordia cruise liner, two days after it ran aground off the tiny Tuscan island of Giglio, Italy, Monday, Jan. 16, 2012. The captain of a cruise liner that ran aground and capsized off the Tuscan coast faced accusations from authorities and passengers that he abandoned ship before everyone was safely evacuated as rescuers found another body on the overturned vessel.

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Firefighters on a dinghy look at a rock emerging from the side of the luxury cruise ship Costa Concordia, the day after it ran aground off the Tuscan island of Giglio, Italy, Sunday, Jan. 15, 2012
 

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A scuba diver rests on the rocks as he looks at the Costa Concordia cruise ship that ran aground off the west coast of Italy, at Giglio island, Jan. 18, 2012. Divers searching the capsized Italian cruise liner Costa Concordia suspended work on Wednesday after the vast wreck shifted slightly but officials said they are hoping to resume as soon as possible.

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Carabinieri scuba divers inspect the interior of the Costa Concordia cruise ship on Jan. 17 through a breach in a window after the ship ran aground at Giglio island off the west coast of Italy.
 

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Underwater photo taken on Jan. 13, 2012, and released by the Italian Coast Guard on Jan. 16 shows a diver inside the cruise ship Costa Concordia, after it ran aground in front of the Isola del Giglio harbor. Pier Luigi Foschi, head of the Costa Crociere line, said the company had commissioned several firms to look at the best way to salvage the 114,500-ton vessel lying on its side. The 290-meter (950-feet) long Costa Crociere, which is 17 decks high, has a large gash in its hull from running on to rocks before it capsized on Friday night.

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Sunset on Jan. 16, 2012, over the cruise liner Costa Concordia aground in front of the harbor of Isola del Giglio after hitting underwater rocks on Jan. 13.
 

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Rescuers arrive on a jet ski next to the Costa Concordia cruise ship that ran aground off the west coast of Italy, at Giglio island Jan. 15, 2012. Teams were painstakingly checking thousands of rooms on the cruise ship for people still missing.

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View of the wrecked cruise liner Costa Concordia on Jan. 16, 2012, in the harbor of the Tuscan island of Giglio after it ran aground after hitting underwater rocks on Jan. 13.
 

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An helicopter evacuates Marrico Giempietroni, the Costa Concordia's cabin service director after he was rescued from the Costa Concordia on Jan. 15, 2012, after the cruise ship ran aground and keeled over off the Isola del Giglio, late on Jan. 13.

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Oil removal ships near the cruise ship Costa Concordia leaning on its side Monday, Jan. 16, 2012, after running aground near the tiny Tuscan island of Giglio, Italy, last Friday night. The rescue operation was called off mid-afternoon Monday after the Costa Concordia shifted a few inches (centimeters) in rough seas. The fear is that if the ship shifts significantly, some 500,000 gallons of fuel may begin to leak into the pristine waters.
 
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