Coral Sec's principal ought to be shot!

[scroobal]

I think a lawyers letter to the school stating that it does not have the right to prohibit students from going into the mall accompanied by their parents will suffice.Can any lawyer confirm this?

No need lawyers letter. The school has no authority whatsoever when it comes to anything that happens outside the school premises and outside school times except under the following conditions

1) Misbehaves while in school uniform
2) Misbehaves while representing the school in any activity outside the school.

This principal and the teachers are nuts. The principal and the teachers should devote their time to educate their wards and inculcate values during school hours. If the teachers are free to police premises outside the school and outside school hours, then they should carry out remedial classes.

Though it was done with good intentions, I am shocked that a school principal drawing a superscale salary has not exercised common sense.

They will never be able to save all the kids from the worldly distractions but they can devote more time in a more productive manner. Kids who have no intention to go home, will find always find some other venues - is she such simpleton.

 

[Zombie]

Better to keep the children inside shopping mall, than to have them fuck around at the beach/park.

 

[JinGanKor]

I agree, as the age of principals are getting lower and lower, these young principals main concern is actually performance. As long as the students are not in school uniform, the school will not have to bear any responsibility to what they have done in the public.

If the principal is so scare, she should make the students bring their home cloths and change them immediately after school. Anything happen outside the school compound will not implicate them that much.

 

[jw5]

They are quite strict with discipline. There was once when i go visit my mum-in-law whose house is just next to the school, i saw a teacher in a mercedes drive to the bus stop outside the school, start screaming at the 20+ students, picking every single fault that she can find, from talking loudly, playing, to not wearing their uniform properly.

Perhaps it is good for the resident there but somehow it is a little too strict.

They better not go too far.
The next time, the female students will go to the mall without their panties.
Then the real trouble begins....................

 

[jw5]

Couple of years ago, there was this incident where about 4 or 5 boys and a girl from Fairfield Sec Sch. They were smoking around the staircase of a HDB block about half a km away from their school. Their uniforms gave away where a resident called the school.
The discipline master went straight to the location and found them. At that time they were not smoking. The DM smelled their mouth of cigarette and were caned on the following day.

Luckily for the discipline master, he didn't smell semen!

 

[metalslug]

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,192063,00.html?

Coral Secondary bars students in uniform from hanging out at mall & housing estates
Adults favour ban, youths oppose it
Issue divided down to discipline & freedom among respondents
February 07, 2009

The New Paper, 3 Feb.

IT'S the classic age divide. Older readers were in favour of the school's ban on students being seen at the neighbouring mall or HDB estate in their uniforms.

The young, on the other hand, were eager to prove that they no longer need to be under constant watch.

The readers were responding to the report 'School bars students from mall - but is ban working?', in The New Paper on 3 Feb.

In it, we revealed how Coral Secondary School forbids any student in uniform from entering the White Sands shopping mall in Pasir Ris.

The rule, which was imposed several years ago, also forbids students in uniform from going to the neighbouring housing estate.

Our report obviously struck a chord with both adults and teenagers, who wrote in to passionately express their views.

'Trust and discipline go hand in hand. Giving too much trust at an early age leads to a lot of negative consequences,' declared one adult writer, who advocated strict controls on teenagers.

In contrast, a JC student mentioned her school's policy of 'teachers who respect the students' decisions and allow (them) to bear the consequences for (their) actions'.

Such were the responses to the report: Writers either praised Coral Secondary for enforcing its brand of discipline, or lambasted it for denying the students freedom.

But perhaps there is a middle path, as suggested by Dr Brian Yeo, a consultant psychiatrist at Mount Elizabeth Medical Centre.

He agreed that Coral Secondary had the right to 'preserve the sanctity of the uniform', but found the idea of placing a blanket ban on certain areas to be impractical.

Instead, he suggested that the students be given some form of guided direction, one that does not involve too much teacher supervision, but still grants students the freedom to be responsible.

'Organise activities for them, so that they have somewhere to go after school, and such that they can contribute to the community.'

Dr Yeo acknowledged that the teachers may not always have the time to do so, and suggested turning to external organisations such as Singapore's Children Society.

Under their Project Cabin, fully functional classrooms or containers are set up at the school to provide an alternative hangout place for youngsters after school hours.

Activities are organised to engage the youth in meaningful activities and positive interaction.

'Of course, it's up to the school to make the first step in approaching these organisations,' he said.

Julian Lee, newsroom intern

 

[metalslug]

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,192056,00.html?

What older readers say:
February 07, 2009




It's about responsibility


I AM a parent of a Primary 6 student and I would like to commend Coral Secondary School for what it has done.



I've seen how a child can go 'skiving' after school, to the extent of using a teacher's name in the process.


I've seen students (from Primary 3 to Primary 6) loitering in interchanges, void decks and playgrounds, wearing their school uniforms.


I've even come across incidents where I spotted the same age-range students literally 'making out' at a void deck.


One thing that I don't understand is: What is so bad in going home straight after school?


Why is there a question of 'no freedom' when you are told to do what's the most sensible thing?


No one is saying not to go out, but to act more responsibly, set your priorities right and take pride in and care for your school's reputation.


Is that too much to ask of our youngsters?


I wish all the schools in Singapore would do the same.


It is better to have teachers patrolling and watching the students, than having parents meet their kids at police stations, if they should get into mischief.


MADAM MUMTAZ M.A.WAHAB, 39


It's a good idea


AS a parent, I think it's a good idea that students go straight home after school.


One can see that while loitering, they do not discuss school work or do anything positive.


If they wish to go shopping, they can jolly well go out with their parents and siblings.


I feel sorry that many parents are not aware what sort of friends their children are mixing around with. Shocking!


READER MARY, 50S, RETIRED WITH 3 SONS


Problem if too much trust


I FEEL your report was unjust to the principal and teachers of Coral Secondary.


If your writer can blatantly ask in his commentary 'Where is the trust?' then I have the right to ask 'Where is the responsibility?'


Students today are fearless, just like the Secondary 4 student who was quoted in your report saying that he doesn't really care if he gets caught again - 'I'll just go for detention again. It's no big deal.'


Clearly he is the rebellious type who hangs around shopping malls. Someone whom responsible parents and educators want their sons, daughters and students to avoid.


Believe me, the only way to go is to cut down the opportunities for these students to loiter and hang around in shopping malls.


Sometimes I really wish people can open their eyes and look beyond all these modern amenities.


The common cliche these days among the secondary school students is 'Everybody is doing it, why can't we?'


Running down the school's policy only opens the doors for the majority of confused teenagers to go the other way, that is, decide there is no harm in hanging around shopping malls first, then going home later.


Trust and discipline go hand in hand. Giving too much trust at an early age leads to a lot of negative consequences.


It is the very trust that was given to the wrong people and at the wrong time that led to the collapse of the global financing world.


Kudos to the principal and hardworking teachers of Coral Secondary!


READER KC CHNG

 

[metalslug]

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,192059,00.html?

What young readers say:
February 07, 2009




You don't win hearts by coercion


WHEN I was in secondary school, we were advised not to hang out at the housing estate or shopping malls, but to go home directly.



However, we were never forced to go home. Kudos to my school for being sensible as it really made no sense in sending school personnel to chase students home outside the school.


What Coral Secondary School is doing is, to a large extent, going overboard.


The school rule states that it has banned its students in uniform from loitering anywhere after school.


'Loitering' means that one is idling or simply hanging around without any purpose.


Therefore if this rule is to be followed strictly, students should actually be allowed to shop at the malls as long as they have a purpose - to buy something, to buy a meal for themselves, for instance.


What irked me most is that a teacher supposedly asked the students to throw away their unfinished food to go home!


If the school can afford so much resources to patrol the estate for students 'flouting' the rules, why not put them to better use, such as spending more time with students who are slow in their studies, or think of better ways to inculcate correct values in students?


You don't win people's hearts by forcing them to do things.


You don't win the respect of the students or the hearts of the teachers or staff members who may not be willing to perform the duty outside their job scope.


Why write the students off as bad eggs?


This sort of out-dated mindset would not work with today's kids - whatever you implement, they will outsmart you.


Indeed, why get too worried about the students and make them fret over the rules, and end up in a lose-lose situation?


Why not loosen up a little and let them have their own space?


Or simply put, trust them?


READER ZHEN YUAN, 19, NSF


They may defy other rules


I AM a poly student and I've been through this 'ban' in my secondary school - even though it wasn't exactly a ban, just advice from our teachers and students to take heed.


Coral Secondary's rule is in both the school's and students' interests.


It's a reputable school and it's no wonder they want to keep it up.


But I feel that the rule is a little overdone because, after all, you are dealing with teenagers.


Students will have to be wary of staff from the school whenever they want to have a relaxed time by shopping in the mall (isn't it ironic?)


Some teenagers may even find it exciting to defy such rules, and such defiance may even extend to other bans and rules of the school!


Coral Secondary is doing quite fine with its students and it seems that more are enrolling in the school.


The school may want to reconsider its rule and make a wiser decision that may aid the students in their studies and personal life.


READER GIBSON C


They are not prisoners


I FEEL that the rule is plain silly.


Where's the logic when someone gets detention just by walking into a mall?


The school says it wants its students to use their time prudently - yet it wastes two hours of their time by sending the students to detention.


I really feel sorry for the students . As teenagers, they have a right to be where they want to be after school hours.


Being strict is good. But is this pushing the limit?


They're students, not prisoners! Why restrict their movements?


I hope the school will address the issue.


READER LOUIS CHONG, 27, FINANCIAL ADVISER


Absurd to fill consent form


FORBIDDING students in school uniform to hang out at the neighbouring housing estate is unfair.


Some students may like to sit at void decks and chit chat over some snacks.


Just because a few black sheep make noise on purpose doesn't mean that others have to be treated the same way.


I find it totally absurd that the students have to fill in a form and get it approved by the school just to study in the library in White Sands shopping mall.


Students who learn better in an environment like the library might be so turned off by the tedious process that they'll lose interest in studying there altogether.


Teachers patrolling White Sands shopping mall after school seems extreme.


Are the students really so immature and rebellious?


I am a student in a junior college. Our teachers respect our decisions and allow us to bear the consequences of our actions.


There is no detention system.


My principal once said: 'There is no point in having a detention if the student is going to repeat his wrong actions again and again.'


This policy has worked for my college, and I believe it will work for the others as well.


READER JASMINE CHER, 18

 

[chupacabra]

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,191705,00.html?

This is typical backward thinking of peesai schools and educators.

I am not surprised by all this. Peesai teachers and principles are ugly mudderfuckers therefore they must act and think ugly.

No one wants to fuck them, that is why they are jealous of the sexuality of the youth of today.

 

[nextinfidel]

School bars students from mall - but is ban working?
Some teens moved to defy rule; parents upset as well
February 04, 2009




HE LOOKS around carefully, his legs tensed and ready to run.


STRICT: A Coral Secondary teacher talking to a student at a HDB void deck near the school, which banned students from loitering anywhere after school while in uniform. TNP PICTURE: JULIAN LEE
The coast seems clear, and his friends nod their confirmation.

He dashes into McDonald's, and emerges 10 minutes later, clutching takeaway bags in triumph.

His friends cheer, and they move off swiftly, not looking back.

The boy has just committed an offence.

But it's not against the fast-food outlet - it's against his school.

Coral Secondary School forbids any student in uniform from entering the nearby White Sands shopping mall in Pasir Ris, among other things.

The rule, which was imposed several years ago, also forbids students in uniform from hanging out at the neighbouring housing estate.


WHY NOT LET THEM BE? Not all schools are as strict - our photographer visited Bishan Junction 8 yesterday and saw many students in uniform wandering around the shopping centre freely and without fear. TNP PICTURE: KELVIN CHNG
The boy told The New Paper: 'I'm not supposed to go to White Sands at all, unless I want to go to the library after school.

'Even then, I can go only after I fill in a form and get it approved by the Discipline Mistress or Operations Manager.'

And then he pointed to the school handbook, which has an extract from the school's rule book.

It states that the school has banned its students in uniform from loitering anywhere after school.

It expects the students to go home straight from school.

Only library okay

It wants them to 'stay away from White Sands Shopping Mall at all times except to visit the community library after school after seeking approval from HOD/Student Management, Operations Manager, Vice-Principal or Principal'.

When asked to comment on the rule, principal Veronica Ng responded through Madam Kathleen Ch'ng, the head of the department of student management: 'Coral Secondary places much emphasis on inculcating in our students good habits like using time prudently.

'As such, it is in their interest not to loiter in the malls after school.'

But many students are not too pleased about this.

Said one Sec 3 student: 'It's crazy. Some of us don't have lunch at home. We have to eat outside, but we're not allowed to eat at White Sands.

'We're not even allowed to just go in there to buy food to take home with us.'

A Sec 2 student said that even her teacher did not see the logic behind such a rule.

Her classmate added: 'Other students get to hang out here after school. Why can't we?'

The school is so serious about the rule that it assigns teachers to patrol the shopping mall and neighbouring areas after school.

Offenders are sent for a two-hour detention.

And sometimes even the innocent get caught.

Said a Sec 2 student: 'One of my friends, who waits for her mother near the shopping mall after school every day, almost got a detention.

'She was saved by a bunch of classmates who explained to the operations manager.'

Some parents are also upset by this rule.

Said the mother of a Sec 2 student: 'I was told that my daughter had to go home and change out of her uniform before she can buy lunch at White Sands.

'So instead of buying lunch and going home, she has to go home to change, then go out to buy lunch and go home again.'

Family lunch impossible

A father was particularly riled that he couldn't even have lunch with his daughter in peace.

'It's just stupid. The teachers don't seem to care that students may be with their parents. So I have to keep watching out for teachers, or my daughter may get caught.'

But many students are resigned to the strict regulation.

As another Sec 2 student put it: 'My mother tells me to just be careful and don't get caught.'

One parent, whose son left the school three years ago, said: 'No choice lah, just tolerate for four years and be done with it.'

Said a Sec 4 student: 'I don't really care any more. If I get caught again, I'll just go for detention again. It's no big deal.'

Teachers are also posted to the housing estate near the school to prevent students from loitering there.

A Sec 2 pupil said: 'After school hours, we can't go to the mini-mart in the HDB estate and it's just across the road.'

It is understood that even students who simply walk through the estate can accosted by a patrolling teacher.

This reporter saw a teacher stop a group of students there last Friday.

According to a parent, the strict rules were imposed following complaints from residents in the area.

Said the same parent: 'If noise is such a problem, then remove the playground. It's always noisier than the students.

'In any case, teachers aren't supposed to be security guards. I don't think MOE pays them to guard void decks.'

But not everyone opposes the strict rules.

One Sec 2 student said: 'I agree with the school, that loitering can lead to trouble.'

One parent admitted: 'Ultimately, parents and teachers are both concerned for the pupils. I may not like the ban, but it shows that the school's making an effort for its students.'

Julian Lee, newsroom intern

 

[nextinfidel]

Wat an ugly and stupid looking bitch! :oIo:

fucking bitch principal not married i guess? unwanted lau kway bu??

students from that school, pls confirm.

 

[po2wq]

... Coral Secondary School forbids any student in uniform from entering the nearby White Sands shopping mall in Pasir Ris, among other things.

The rule, which was imposed several years ago, also forbids students in uniform from hanging out at the neighbouring housing estate.
...

... it was quite apparent ze student (internet ) community is nt n effective self-regulated regime as sum may hv touted it 2 b ...

 

[VIBGYOR]

http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/news/story/0,4136,191705,00.html?

people living in a hybrid regime will behave this way?

 

[sinren67]

All coral's students shd assembly at White sand after school and see what will happen.

 

[nextinfidel]

All coral's students shd assembly at White sand after school and see what will happen.

ya, that's right.
better still, all students assembled there from 8am to 12nn, then go home for 5 days in a row.

all they need to do is to spread this via internet and word of mouth.

i promised you the principal lanlan step down.

 

[nextinfidel]

I have just mentioned. What if you are the CO of the commando unit, four of your trainers punished a trainee who is on special course. He died by suffocating, a sort of drowning procedure. YOu have to answer for it. In this case, the CO was relieved from his post. Somebody got to be the scrapegoat.

i'm glad somebody brought this up. what i think now is why the whole SAF from recruit to infantry to maybe commando unit now so easy and slack.

If you were a CO of a BMT training school or some combat or even elite unit, would you risk your SAF salary by ensuring that the training IS done as realistic as possible? sure, your unit (say 1 SIR) may emerge more garang than your other sister battalions (2,3SIR), but you have to be 100% sure that no fatalities occur in your unit otherwise it bye bye your career in SAF and salary.

why take the risk? just sit there, distributed welfare, off days, canteen breaks to the men and collect your salary. no recruit or rifleman is gonna suddenly collapsed and die from a canteen break and a day off right?