Communist China claim they beaten the U.S army in the Korean War.

[kirby]

I am not that sure about the Chinese got lucky. I would say that the world got lucky. Nobody really knows whether the Chinese has nuclear devices as well. And how Russian would react if US really nuke China. China and Korea Peninsular are the eastern corridors of Russian buffer zones. It will not allow US to dominate its backdoor.

Goh Meng Seng

Lucky for us to get to see M*A*S*H sitcom and have a few laughs along the way.

 

[Ramseth]

One of Mao's sons was fighting frontline with the Chinese forces during the Korean War. Mao Anying died in combat duty. Tell me, in which free societies would their leaders prepared for such sacrifice? It can only happen in communist countries lah...

Prince Andrew of Britain was a combat helicopter pilot in the Falklands War. He survived.

 

[Dinkley]

I am not that sure about the Chinese got lucky. I would say that the world got lucky. Nobody really knows whether the Chinese has nuclear devices as well. And how Russian would react if US really nuke China. China and Korea Peninsular are the eastern corridors of Russian buffer zones. It will not allow US to dominate its backdoor.

Goh Meng Seng

It will be impossible for China to have nukes during the 1950-1953 era, as the country which was recovering from the Japanese invasion, was hit by the civil war. At that time, not many countries were willing to recognise the PRC due to American pressure. Britain and France were two of the few non-communist European countries that recognised the PRC but that is more of due to a surge of socialism in both countries than tolerance. So China will not have the funds to own nukes, and even if they do, Mao can't do it since he ran on a "help the poor" platform. Nuclear weapons were considered extravagance.

The Soviet Union will not have reacted strongly despite having close ties with PRC at that time, as the US Army was considered the strongest in the world, riding on its victories against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. The Soviets had already lost 20 millions to WWII itself, I do not think they have the manpower and skills to spearhead an effective army against the US.

Hence, I say the communists got lucky, cause Uncle Sam practised restraint against them. I think everybody knows that when Uncle Sam (and the American public) wants a country pulverized, he can get it pulverized and make it look legal.

 

[mscitw]

The chinese communists are liars. They are collectively more evil than all the Christendom's devils and moslen satans put together.

During WWII, they left the fighting to the Nationalists and Japs, contented to preserving their strength for the Chinese Civil War that ended in 1949 with a communist victory.

Mao, Butcher of the Chinks, in fact praised the Japs for helping them secured victory and declined Japs offers of war reparations that they are only too happy to comply in later years.

During WWII, in the Sino-Japanese theatre of war, it was estimated that the Japs killed 20 million chinks since 1938. Mao did better, after the war, he killed 20 million chink peasants after the dismal 'Great Leap Forward' in less than 10 years.

Hence modern day chinese history books were silent about the CCP's involvement during WWII and any communist baboon will be hardpressed to name their war heroes during the Sino-Japanese war.

 

[UpYoz_olo]

I am not that sure about the Chinese got lucky. I would say that the world got lucky. Nobody really knows whether the Chinese has nuclear devices as well. And how Russian would react if US really nuke China. China and Korea Peninsular are the eastern corridors of Russian buffer zones. It will not allow US to dominate its backdoor.

Goh Meng Seng

Got. Another GohMengSeng theory.


:oIo:

 

[Sideswipe]

Hence, I say the communists got lucky, cause Uncle Sam practised restraint against them. I think everybody knows that when Uncle Sam (and the American public) wants a country pulverized, he can get it pulverized and make it look legal.

Russian spies had successfully infiltrated Truman state department and were directing American foreign policy. General MacArthur believed that his removal was a communist conspiracy.

Just like Chinese Communists who will never admit the fact Korean war was a disaster for China. White House will never admit, their state department was hijacked by undercover Russian communists at that time even though as time passed, those peoples were exposed, arrested and charged with spying for Russia.

 

[Dinkley]

Russian spies had successfully infiltrated Truman state department and were directing American foreign policy. General MacArthur believed that his removal was a communist conspiracy.

Just like Chinese Communists who will never admit the fact Korean war was a disaster for China. White House will never admit, their state department was hijacked by undercover Russian communists at that time even though as time passed, those peoples were exposed, arrested and charged with spying for Russia.

Agree that both sides will hide their losses away from the curious eyes of historians.

There were communists in the office, however I doubt they were Russians, but more of 'red' Americans who were sympathetic to the Soviet and Chinese government. Joseph McCarthy exposed many of them during the early years of 'McCarthyism". However, he went too far and triggered a witch-hunt against non-communists who merely disagree with the government and accused them of communism. That was his downfall. Shame, he was the only senator who dared to expose such underground network.

Back to the point, the communists did not affect much the direction of America. I feel it is more of Truman trying to win back votes for the Democrats as the war was making him very unpopular. He left office with the lowest approval ratings in US history. Furthermore, Eisenhower was a big threat on the election front, hence Truman had to use limited police action as a damage control.

 

[Sideswipe]

There were communists in the office, however I doubt they were Russians, but more of 'red' Americans who were sympathetic to the Soviet and Chinese government. Joseph McCarthy exposed many of them during the early years of 'McCarthyism".

Back to the point, the communists did not affect much the direction of America. I feel it is more of Truman trying to win back votes for the Democrats as the war was making him very unpopular. He left office with the lowest approval ratings in US history. Furthermore, Eisenhower was a big threat on the election front, hence Truman had to use limited police action as a damage control.

agree with you on Truman Democrats vs MacArthur Republican battle. Anyway some historians deduced that George Marshall was recalled by Russians agents in Truman govt to "take care" of MacArthur.

Without solid evidences, we can only guess, ultimately we believe what we want to be the truth. I believe that George Marshall and Owen Lattimore were communists or at least "red sympathizers"

Why Marshall China policies all sabo Chinese Nationalists and were lifelines to Chinese Communists and his western front decisions were ultimately beneficial to Soviet Union after events had panned out. Close friends of Owen Lattimore were confirmed Soviet spies. Lattimore denied allegations of him spying for Soviet until death but his actions was def pro-Soviet.

 

[Dinkley]

agree with you on Truman Democrats vs MacArthur Republican battle. Anyway some historians deduced that George Marshall was recalled by Russians agents in Truman govt to "take care" of MacArthur.

Without solid evidences, we can only guess, ultimately we believe what we want to be the truth. I believe that George Marshall and Owen Lattimore were communists or at least "red sympathizers"

Why Marshall China policies all sabo Chinese Nationalists and were lifelines to Chinese Communists and his western front decisions were ultimately beneficial to Soviet Union after events had panned out. Close friends of Owen Lattimore were confirmed Soviet spies. Lattimore denied allegations of him spying for Soviet until death but his actions was def pro-Soviet.

I will not really conclude that George Marshall was involved in any communist spy ring but it is natural for him to have a sympathetic view of the Soviet Union, as most commanders who had served in the European Theater did. After all, the Soviet Union took the full brunt of the Nazi war machine, many of their people killed and spent the most effort pushing back the Nazis. The Soviet Union played a major decisive turn of the tide against the Nazis. So naturally, Americans and to a lesser extent, British, do sympathize with the Soviet Union.

For MacArthur, it is a different story. The Pacific Front was solely an American vs Japan fight, with Australia providing the bases for the Americans and fighting small-scale battles. The Soviet Union concentrated full-force on Germany and hence, did not take part in the Pacific front. But the thing is, after the surrender of Japan, the Soviet Union laid claim on Japan, which pissed MacArthur off, since he felt he and Nimitz were the only players in the battle. So naturally, MacArthur was violently anti-Soviet.

Not helped by the fact that MacArthur was an "action" general, not those textbook general. He was one of the rare generals that went to a hotly-fought front (Invasion of the Philippines) and hence, more confrontational and lack diplomacy.

After all, in America, elections do play a pivotal role in the President's survival unlike ours.

 

[longbow]

1) US nuclear option in Korean Peninsula was a non starter.
2) China had the support of the soviets. Cost of Korean war on the american side was enormous. Soviets need not send ground troops. Air force, weaponary for the Chinese would be enough. Chinese had the ground troops and could furnish a few more millions if needed.
3) To push China out of North Korea would have been another tough slog and will cost many thousands more in US troops.
4) War benefited the Soviets.

In the end the cost were just too high for the Americans so we have the DMZ.

It will be impossible for China to have nukes during the 1950-1953 era, as the country which was recovering from the Japanese invasion, was hit by the civil war. At that time, not many countries were willing to recognise the PRC due to American pressure. Britain and France were two of the few non-communist European countries that recognised the PRC but that is more of due to a surge of socialism in both countries than tolerance. So China will not have the funds to own nukes, and even if they do, Mao can't do it since he ran on a "help the poor" platform. Nuclear weapons were considered extravagance.

The Soviet Union will not have reacted strongly despite having close ties with PRC at that time, as the US Army was considered the strongest in the world, riding on its victories against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. The Soviets had already lost 20 millions to WWII itself, I do not think they have the manpower and skills to spearhead an effective army against the US.

Hence, I say the communists got lucky, cause Uncle Sam practised restraint against them. I think everybody knows that when Uncle Sam (and the American public) wants a country pulverized, he can get it pulverized and make it look legal.

 

[Liquigas]

Whether China actually won the Korean War or not is debatable. But the PLA did gain alot of respect as a creditable fighting force from friends and foes alike.

But the next generation of PLA soldiers were not so good. In the 1979 border war with Vietnam, PLA not only did not win but suffered heavy casualties.

 

[Sideswipe]

The chinese communists are liars. They are collectively more evil than all the Christendom's devils and moslen satans put together.

Mao, Butcher of the Chinks, in fact praised the Japs for helping them secured victory and declined Japs offers of war reparations that they are only too happy to comply in later years.

Hence modern day chinese history books were silent about the CCP's involvement during WWII and any communist baboon will be hardpressed to name their war heroes during the Sino-Japanese war.
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you're right.

CCP accepted no war reparations from Japan in return for their diplomatic recognition. CCP/Mao were under the control of Moscow/Stalin who plotted the demise of nationalist China.
American and British war heroes were decorated and remembered. Chinese war heroes were forgotten by Chinese themselves.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Prince Andrew of Britain was a combat helicopter pilot in the Falklands War. He survived.

siao pilot only. Try being a front line infantry soldier.