Communist China claim they beaten the U.S army in the Korean War.

[cheowyonglee]

What you guys think?Did the Communist Chinese Army defeated the U.S army???

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[scroobal]

Not surprised. Someone claimed that they saved the British army during world war II.

 

[manokie]

They should be glad that the Nuclear bomb wasn't used on them.

 

[cheowyonglee]

They should be glad that the Nuclear bomb wasn't used on them.

true.... !!! and glad that the U.S did not want to make the war large.
Funny is, the Communist China really think they won the war and was very proud to claim that the U.S was not their match in military war.
Haha, if i am not wrong... the Communist China arer using human superior factor to win the allies!!!

 

[3_M]

It UN vs China and North Korea rather than just US vs China

If you look at it from another angle, the north invaded the South and pushed them all the way back to the tip of the penisular. Then the UN came in and beat the communist back to Yalu river bordering China. Then China joined the war and pushed UN back 2/3 of the penisular. Later UN forces counter attack and pushed them back abit to 38th parallel. From then on, it a deadlock as neither side could gain an upper hand.

So you think it a win, loss or draw for China?

 

[shelltox]

but I do know that the americans lost the was in vietnam

 

[Sideswipe]

but I do know that the americans lost the was in vietnam

It depend on perspective.

Americans left Vietnam because of strong public opinions against the war back home, not because they were totally defeated in the battlefield by Vietcong.
thereafter South Vietnam without any American aids lost convincingly to North Vietnam supported by China.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

The North Koreans were losing the war when the US army advanced onwards.

China warned US army from further advancement as it wanted to maintain a buffer zone. The Chinese Red Army finally joined the war and pushed the US Army up to the 3.8 line. The US Army 5 star general actually wanted to nuke China but was stopped.

It was a stalemate and both sides agreed to cease fire. The Chinese has used human waves attacks and it was not until the US Army invented the claymore mines before they could stop the Chinese human waves attacks from pushing them back to the sea. Truce was called and both sides suffered great losses.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[cheowyonglee]

It depend on perspective.

Americans left Vietnam because of strong public opinions against the war back home, not because they were totally defeated in the battlefield by Vietcong.
thereafter South Vietnam without any American aids lost convincingly to North Vietnam supported by China.

And now Vietnam is as poor as North... maybe fair better abit.
South Korea, Japan and Taiwan... Singapore, Hong Kong... etc.. doing more better than them.
Just imagine if the U.S did not help the South Korea, did not help stopped the Communist from invading taiwan(by sending a carrier to the straits of taiwan)..

what will the situation now be???A communist taiwan and a communist south korea.Just think ... what will it be???
no more korean movie.no more taiwan movie.if worst to worst, british left hong kong to the communist china! we wont be having all the movies... all the chinese culture will be destoryed by the communist.

 

[Ramseth]

US saved South Korea. Not that they love South Koreans so much but it's in their strategic and economic interests. North Korea basically overran Seoul and beyond within weeks. It was the US Navy flank landing on Inchon that cut off North Korean supply lines and halted the advance. It was classic command and strategic superiority of Gen. D. MacArthur. For football fans, think of it as a break down the wings with a precision cross. However, conquering North Korea would entail such a huge numerical sacrifice (because of PRC support troops) that's not possibly accpetable to US public, so they settled back to 38th parallel, where North Korea also wouldn't have the strength to cross anymore.

 

[longbow]

Good synopsis of what happened.

The North Koreans were losing the war when the US army advanced onwards.

China warned US army from further advancement as it wanted to maintain a buffer zone. The Chinese Red Army finally joined the war and pushed the US Army up to the 3.8 line. The US Army 5 star general actually wanted to nuke China but was stopped.

It was a stalemate and both sides agreed to cease fire. The Chinese has used human waves attacks and it was not until the US Army invented the claymore mines before they could stop the Chinese human waves attacks from pushing them back to the sea. Truce was called and both sides suffered great losses.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[longbow]

So true. It is all perspectives. China are probably claiming that that beat the US because they did drive the US back and US eventually settled for truce. SO during the Chinese advance they were "beating the US".

Just like many say SIngapore was built with the sweat of its people and great leadership. That part is partially true but lets not forget that we have excellent location as a seaport. Something with the British and Arab and Chinese traders knew about way before there was any great leadership.

It depend on perspective.

Americans left Vietnam because of strong public opinions against the war back home, not because they were totally defeated in the battlefield by Vietcong.
thereafter South Vietnam without any American aids lost convincingly to North Vietnam supported by China.

 

[cheowyonglee]

The North Koreans were losing the war when the US army advanced onwards.

China warned US army from further advancement as it wanted to maintain a buffer zone. The Chinese Red Army finally joined the war and pushed the US Army up to the 3.8 line. The US Army 5 star general actually wanted to nuke China but was stopped.

It was a stalemate and both sides agreed to cease fire. The Chinese has used human waves attacks and it was not until the US Army invented the claymore mines before they could stop the Chinese human waves attacks from pushing them back to the sea. Truce was called and both sides suffered great losses.

Goh Meng Seng

i see.... Mr Goh, what is your comment on this war?The Communist China hardcore chinese bastard love to call this war, the war against western imperalism.And proudly claim that, they had fought a great war against the West and showed the world how great the Communist China armies were at that point of time.

I wonder, if U.S really wanted to invade the North, they could do so easily.With all the weapons in hand, i dont think they will loose the war.
Imagine if U.S is not a decmoractic country, or worst a country like USSR, cannot really imagine what the world will be like.

The U.S fought the war because they dont want the communist to spread in south east asia.i think fair enough, the U.S did a good job.And British too.If not, we will not be chatting with each other now.If the British left us with the Communist, we will be shouting... Stalin thousand years or even Mao thousand years.No more youtube... no more google.. !!! All of us will be like North Korea.

I rather invaded by the U.S then the Communist countries like China or Russia.
I rather be like South Korea, enjoying good education and good paying jobs then to be like the North, staving without food and everyday shouting.. Kim thousand years!!!

 

[Sideswipe]

Back then, Stalin, Mao and Kim Sung II agreed that Communism must be expanded by conquering South Korea and Taiwan. Their only disagreement was the priority and timing. Until now, nobody really know wheater Mao know about Kim decision to invade South Korea beforehand but Kim certainly got Stalin approval to invade. CCP North Korean ethnic divisions armies that took part in Huaihai campaign was shipped back to North Korea before the outbreak of Korean War.

From 1930-1950, Stalin got most major decisions spot on, he made a miscalculation during Korean war expecting a swift North Korea victory within a week but South Korea stubbornly resisted for 12 days then Americans troops arrived. This unexpected turn of events was a nightmare for Mao who had assembled troops on Fujian-Zhejiang coastline planning to attack Taiwan. The Chinese armies had no choice but to support North Korea war now, abandoning the Taiwan invasion.

 

[longbow]

What does you comment have to do with Chinese claims that they beat US ArmY?

The communist/socialist model is a total failure. Just look at China today, it is pretty much a capitalistic society. The political system is communistic but in this case it has helped the country along. Women have equal right and votes. There is no silly caste/religious cultural issues. But their economy is capitalistic. "to be rich is glorious". There is no restriction on leaving the country (see how many come and buy prperty in Singapore). You can buy property. So in a way it is a good model for a 3rd world country hoping to move up.

Democracy only works in developed countries; where you have a large educated middle class to weigh against the rich. In poor countries like India, Philippines, Thailand democracy basically means the rich buy the politicians and the politicians kiss up to the rich - after all they need to have elections so need the cash). The poor and uneducated have no political strength and thus remain poor.

If you look at US political system, over there, the working class has grouped themselves under the unions and the unions as a whole can offset the rich by supporting the politicans. Also as a educated middle class you are less afraid of the rich. In an agrarian society where you depend on landlord for support, he tells you vote A you vote A.

i see.... Mr Goh, what is your comment on this war?The Communist China hardcore chinese bastard love to call this war, the war against western imperalism.And proudly claim that, they had fought a great war against the West and showed the world how great the Communist China armies were at that point of time.

I wonder, if U.S really wanted to invade the North, they could do so easily.With all the weapons in hand, i dont think they will loose the war.
Imagine if U.S is not a decmoractic country, or worst a country like USSR, cannot really imagine what the world will be like.

The U.S fought the war because they dont want the communist to spread in south east asia.i think fair enough, the U.S did a good job.And British too.If not, we will not be chatting with each other now.If the British left us with the Communist, we will be shouting... Stalin thousand years or even Mao thousand years.No more youtube... no more google.. !!! All of us will be like North Korea.

I rather invaded by the U.S then the Communist countries like China or Russia.
I rather be like South Korea, enjoying good education and good paying jobs then to be like the North, staving without food and everyday shouting.. Kim thousand years!!!

 

[Liquigas]

One of Mao's sons was fighting frontline with the Chinese forces during the Korean War. Mao Anying died in combat duty. Tell me, in which free societies would their leaders prepared for such sacrifice? It can only happen in communist countries lah...

 

[eatshitndie]

It was a stalemate and both sides agreed to cease fire. The Chinese has used human waves attacks and it was not until the US Army invented the claymore mines before they could stop the Chinese human waves attacks from pushing them back to the sea. Truce was called and both sides suffered great losses.

Goh Meng Seng

you made it sound as though claymore mines were instrumental in stopping the chinese. the 1st claymore that saw action was in 1952 after the prototype t-48 was inducted into us army service as the m18, and only about 10,000 were produced during this period. the chinese (pva) launched the 5th phase offensive in april 1951 with about 700,000 men (actually a counter-offensive), but it was blunted by the u.s. i (1st) corps north of seoul. the chinese again launched the spring offensive in may 1951, was initially successful, but stalled by roka units and the u.s. x (10th) corps. at the end of may 1951, the re-constituted u.s. 8th army counter-attacked and pushed the chinese and kpa forces back to the "kansas" line, a tad north of the 38th parallel. it was at this line where the war was stalemated until the armistice of 1953. u.n. and u.s. forces had no claymores in the spring of 1951.

btw, i was at panmunjom and another roka facility at the 38th parallel in 1997. the south koreans gave me a tour of the facility and narrated the important spring battles of 1951.

 

[techiedick]

In simple words to answer the question:

Technically, yes

Ideologically, yes

Humanly in numbers, no

Geologically, yes

Score : 3:1

You go figure it out

Interesting highlight :

Mao Tze Tung, no (he lost his eldest son)

 

[Dinkley]

The US would have won if General MacArthur has his way. Unfortunately, Truman only called for 'limited police action' and hence did not crush the Chinese and North Koreans. General MacArthur wanted to drop N-bomb on China but was stopped by Truman, then sacked for insubordination.

The Chinese did not even win in the first place, it was more of a stalemate and the ball was in American court. The Yanks did not want to persist in the destruction of China as America has just recovered from WWII and its soldiers were war-weary enough. The Chinese got lucky.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

The US would have won if General MacArthur has his way. Unfortunately, Truman only called for 'limited police action' and hence did not crush the Chinese and North Koreans. General MacArthur wanted to drop N-bomb on China but was stopped by Truman, then sacked for insubordination.

The Chinese did not even win in the first place, it was more of a stalemate and the ball was in American court. The Yanks did not want to persist in the destruction of China as America has just recovered from WWII and its soldiers were war-weary enough. The Chinese got lucky.

I am not that sure about the Chinese got lucky. I would say that the world got lucky. Nobody really knows whether the Chinese has nuclear devices as well. And how Russian would react if US really nuke China. China and Korea Peninsular are the eastern corridors of Russian buffer zones. It will not allow US to dominate its backdoor.

Goh Meng Seng