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Church group members harass student for days

Lestat

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unlike the 'old' churches, like methodist, baptist, etc., they do not require fixed contributions to church. just up to individual's willingness; some 'new' churches demand 10% of one's income as monthly donation.
And will call one's name and 'remind' him/her for their payment in the session in front of other congregation.

That is the new mega churches for you. Compulsory donations. Just like the PAPies. :p

But seriously, these christian churches are getting so hard up for members? Declining numbers? How can that be? Unless the 'super' churches are cutting into their intake? :biggrin:
 

ChaoAhBeng

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Churches nowaday getting very commercialised and afew of my christian friends feel the same way too. They are now pestering ppl to join as though they are from some kind of MLM salesman trying hard to sell concepts to u.

Let say they dun haf 10% contribution, i dun think u will see them around wasting their time to ask u join. Tio bo? hahaha
 

numero uno

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That is the new mega churches for you. Compulsory donations. Just like the PAPies. :p

But seriously, these christian churches are getting so hard up for members? Declining numbers? How can that be? Unless the 'super' churches are cutting into their intake? :biggrin:

Its a bloody farce. Go to Hell all these sh!t heads I'm an atheist and more holy than most of these Xtains fundamentalists. In the first place, alot of these hardcore Xtians evangelists play childish mind games, insult you by telling that your are "impure" and use alot of guilt trips with you telling you , you have "sinned" in the first place. Then offer you a "way out " by playing on your fears by telling you about hell if you do not convert. Then after converting they "extort" money from you by asking you to tithe every month and if you don't you do not get into his "great lord" good books. The money and tithe goes towards paying the pastors Mercs, condos etc. Give me a break!!!! Look at it truthfully and don't tell me that's it not ALL a big con job or ponzi scheme??? In the first place, I have never sinned aT ALL. you Xtians have sinned that's your problem , period. definetly not my probelm. I always tell them I am going to heaven even when I do not believe in their religion. It always p!sses them off. There is no offence in saying or believing in atheism. In fact I find it more healthy and wholesome. I find it very vulgar, outright rude and offensive when some young punk I meet the first time along the street telling me I have "sinned" when I ask them in what sense I have??? Save all the sh!tty childish mind games and guilt trips for the gullible ones. in fcat, I tell them alot of the world troubles/wars are due to them and they definitely have sinned. That's why alot of intellectuals or scientists in the west are atheist or agnostic.[/quote]
 

TeeKee

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Then after converting they "extort" money from you by asking you to tithe every month and if you don't you do not get into his "great lord" good books.

Lucky this is not compulsory, unlike those enforced Pay N Pay!!

Die Die also must pay!!!:biggrin:
 

Ah Guan

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This one beri easy lah! All my effort wasted here...

SATAN == SINS..

if you sucumb to your own human desires...it's the devil...:biggrin:

What dogshit!

If I steal/cheat/commit a crime then it's MY fault, not uncle Satan's
 

Lestat

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Its a bloody farce. Go to Hell all these sh!t heads I'm an atheist and more holy than most of these Xtains fundamentalists. In the first place, alot of these hardcore Xtians evangelists play childish mind games, insult you by telling that your are "impure" and use alot of guilt trips with you telling you , you have "sinned" in the first place. Then offer you a "way out " by playing on your fears by telling you about hell if you do not convert. Then after converting they "extort" money from you by asking you to tithe every month and if you don't you do not get into his "great lord" good books. The money and tithe goes towards paying the pastors Mercs, condos etc. Give me a break!!!! Look at it truthfully and don't tell me that's it not ALL a big con job or ponzi scheme??? In the first place, I have never sinned aT ALL. you Xtians have sinned that's your problem , period. definetly not my probelm. I always tell them I am going to heaven even when I do not believe in their religion. It always p!sses them off. There is no offence in saying or believing in atheism. In fact I find it more healthy and wholesome. I find it very vulgar, outright rude and offensive when some young punk I meet the first time along the street telling me I have "sinned" when I ask them in what sense I have??? Save all the sh!tty childish mind games and guilt trips for the gullible ones. in fcat, I tell them alot of the world troubles/wars are due to them and they definitely have sinned. That's why alot of intellectuals or scientists in the west are atheist or agnostic.
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Well said. :biggrin:
 

TeeKee

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What dogshit!

If I steal/cheat/commit a crime then it's MY fault, not uncle Satan's

bo lah!

anything that is "human nature" belongs to SATAN.

you can be excused, that's what Jesus is for...

if you go against human nature, you are on your way to become a holy man...
 

Ah Guan

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So we have absolutely NO CONTROL over our own actions?

Any bad deed we do is due to Uncle Satan's temptation??

Are we just meat puppets?

Man, I don't ever want to be a Christian.....
 

TeeKee

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well if you are not the creator of yourself, you shouldn't be completely responsible for all your actions...

yes! in Jesus, all your sins are forgiven....
 

Ah Guan

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Teekee, you evil corruptor of souls! Stop stalking me or I'll complain to my principal!


priest1.jpg
 

drifter

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well if you are not the creator of yourself, you shouldn't be completely responsible for all your actions...

yes! in Jesus, all your sins are forgiven....



gayboy , i told you before ...that junkie is a bastard . and he dont exist . how can a fucking virgin born baby ? she is just a slut , who love to fuck with different men and act virgin .
 

drifter

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bo lah!

anything that is "human nature" belongs to SATAN.

you can be excused, that's what Jesus is for...

if you go against human nature, you are on your way to become a holy man...

gayboy , your pestor also human right ? :biggrin:
 

SamuelStalin

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Didn't know Christian fundamentalists are alive in Spornland. Have to be careful of them.

http://tnp.sg/news/story/0,4136,203337,00.html?

Church group members harass student for days
They approach him outside school, ask for handphone number, then keep calling and sending SMSes
By Veena Bharwani

May 28, 2009

NP_IMAGES_VBCHURCH.jpg

The New Paper, 15 Apr

THEY hang around outside secondary schools and approach students.

These men then give Bibles to the students and talk to them about God.

The men, usually in their 30s, then ask the students for their handphone numbers and urge them to attend cell group meetings in their church.

This is what some students from Greenview Secondary in Pasir Ris have encountered over the past few years. This is not the only school that has seen religious groups right outside their school gates.

Last month, The New Paper reported that two men were distributing religious materials to students from Shuqun Secondary just outside the school in Jurong.

The principal of Shuqun Secondary, Mr Adolphus Tan, put a stop to it immediately and asked the men to go away.

But in this recent case concerning Greenview Secondary, it was a parent who decided to act.

Mr Patrick Tay, 58, stepped in to protect his son, 13, who was approached by two men from a church outside Greenview Secondary in January.

Mr Tay, who runs a trading company, added: 'My son had just started secondary school this year so he is a bit 'blur'. They then asked for his handphone number and my unsuspecting son gave it to them not knowing what to do.'

Shortly after that, he claimed his son kept getting repeated SMSes and calls from these people asking him to attend their cell group meetings at Cornerstone Community Church in Katong.

Said Mr Tay: ' I felt they are targeting younger kids like my son who are timid and don't know much.

'I am a Roman Catholic myself and I still am offended as they are not respecting our different religious beliefs.'

Mr Tay said he went to the church shortly after the incident to tell the members who had sent SMSes to his son not to bother him anymore.

Principal alerted

He also alerted the principal of Greenview Secondary about the matter.

Mr Tay didn't allow us to talk to his son.

The New Paper called the Cornerstone Community Church and e-mailed our questions about a month ago. But the youth leader did not get back to us.

We called the church again a week later, but still couldn't get a comment from them.

The New Paper spoke to five other Greenview Secondary school students who said that they, too, have been harassed on different occasions by men from various churches who were either distributing Bibles or asking for their handphone numbers.

Said a female student, 15: 'They have approached me twice in the past two years. The first time was two years ago. They asked for my handphone number but I declined to give it to them as they are strangers.'

She was approached again in March, this time by two men who were distributing Bibles.

'They would not let me pass them so I just took the Bible and quickly walked away so they would leave me alone. I informed my parents who got very angry and reminded me to be more careful next time.'

The principal of Greenview Secondary, Mr Koh Kok Khai, said he is aware of the situation.

He said: 'We have reminded our students to be mindful when approached by strangers outside of school. They have also been advised not to share personal information with these strangers.'

A vice-principal from a secondary school in the West said his students have also told him of similar incidents.

Sensitive issue

Another teacher said there is little schools that can say or do as it is a matter of personal religious beliefs - a sensitive issue for all.

Said the 29-year-old English teacher: 'We try not to tell kids what is right or wrong when it comes to religion as schools are a secular space. We would advise them immediately to tell their parents about the matter and let them handle it.'

Parent Pushpa Dhinakaran, 45, said that while such a trend is worrying, she understands that there is little schools that can do to prevent such things from happening.

'If it is happening inside the school premises, then it can be stopped, but this happened outside school.

'The best we parents can do is warn our kids to be careful when talking to strangers,' she added.
 

banova888

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They have been doing this for decades, to recruit young members, 'cos young people are more naive & easily influenced. By recruiting more members means more revenue for them. Imagine 10% of your monthly salary goes to church.

And only 7% goes to GST.
Are you trying to suggest we increase the GST to 10% or more,......
 

banova888

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My days in NUS also the same,,,,, is it happening the same in NUS?

i am not against christianity or whatever religion, but the media seems to have a different agenda,,, to sell their papers and whatever will interest the general public,,,, albeit askewed perspective..

why target children?

also this would not have been a general public interest if not for Thio's AWARE case... who cares what happens outside the school compound before Thio's case,,,,

So are you saying that Thio! made you AWARE of Christianity!
 

banova888

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If you think it is terrible, try missionary schools.

The rule is that as long as you are not Malay and you do not have written documents from your religious leader to your school, you have to attend Chapel service. If you sleep during the service, the counsellor will wake you up.

Worse is when some newly converts start sharing their new beliefs to others, it is like "you listen to me or burn in hell" thing. There are always constant battle between believers and non-believers during free periods.

I have a nephew who is enrolled in a primary school. The students are required to say grace during meal time. My nephew recognised that he is not a Christian and did not do so, he was punished for holding on to his principle and the only one standing throughout the whole session.

One thing for sure, if you are non believer in a missionary school you would feel very alienated.

What was your nephew doing in a missionary school in the first place?

Tell the whole story. Who put him there and why???
 

banova888

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That is the new mega churches for you. Compulsory donations. Just like the PAPies. :p

But seriously, these christian churches are getting so hard up for members? Declining numbers? How can that be? Unless the 'super' churches are cutting into their intake? :biggrin:

Then name the churches which demand compulsory donations and tell us how much their Baby Ministers right up to their Mentor Ministers are paid.
 

scroobal

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By the way, its the same church where the ex-President of AWARE who resigned a few days of after being elected comes from. He husband is the deacon there. These people need to be shot.

http://tnp.sg/news/story/0,4136,203337,00.html?

Church group members harass student for days
They approach him outside school, ask for handphone number, then keep calling and sending SMSes
By Veena Bharwani

May 28, 2009

NP_IMAGES_VBCHURCH.jpg

The New Paper, 15 Apr

THEY hang around outside secondary schools and approach students.

These men then give Bibles to the students and talk to them about God.

.
 
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