Christians waging war against Secular?

[Rumpole]

Very Strange that Pastor Khong, miss this in his bible reading, "21 They *said to Him, “Caesar’s.” Then He *said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and to God the things that are God’s. Matt: 22:21

What is the need for the secular space vs...."render to God, the things that are God's" & what is to Ceasar to Caesar...

Render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar only applies to taxation. This is made clear in paragraph 379 of the Compendium to the Social Doctrine of the Catholic Church:

“In his pronouncement on the paying of taxes to Caesar (cf. Mk 12:13-17; Mt 22:15-22; Lk 20:20-26), he affirms that we must give to God what is God's, implicitly condemning every attempt at making temporal power divine or absolute: God alone can demand everything from man. At the same time, temporal power has the right to its due: Jesus does not consider it unjust to pay taxes to Caesar.”

Resistance to unjust laws is specifically sanctioned by paragraph 400 of the Compendium:

"Recognising that natural law is the basis for and places limits on positive law means admitting that it is legitimate to resist authority should it violate in a serious or repeated manner the essential principles of natural law. Saint Thomas Aquinas writes that “one is obliged to obey ... insofar as it is required by the order of justice”. Natural law is therefore the basis of the right to resistance.

There can be many different concrete ways this right may be exercised; there are also many different ends that may be pursued. Resistance to authority is meant to attest to the validity of a different way of looking at things, whether the intent is to achieve partial change, for example, modifying certain laws, or to fight for a radical change in the situation."

For more see this thread "Two Dioceses, Two Peoples":

http://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?...-Again-A-Tale-of-Two-Dioceses-amp-Two-Peoples

Which by the way was also published on Yawning Bread:

http://yawningbread.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/two-dioceses-two-peoples/

And promptly attracted a PAPy poodle and troll by the name of John Lee Mong Wah, whose CV is available on LinkedIn here:

http://sg.linkedin.com/pub/lee-mong-wah-john/1/98b/3b5

Is John Lee Sammyboy's notorious Kopi Uncle?

 

[drifteri]

That's true, but Dominionists won't care. They want to 'take back the world for Christ', so when every position of leadership is filled by a Christian, when godless secularism has been thoroughly banished, there will be a spiritual revival and the second coming of Jesus will commence.

And people only get upset at the Taliban, JI, world caliphate with shariah law etc. Go figure.

You are very insightful, many of us have overlooked the militant Christians dressed up in sheep skin. And would have a great shock when the wolves removed their fake skins when they think the time is ripe one day. By then, we would have been eaten up Shariah laws are actually mosiac laws in common to the Abrahamic faiths

 

[SlickJon]

this lawless khong is just like kong hee, con men out to cheat naïve sinkies thinking that they are buying their way into salvation

 

[drifteri]

this lawless khong is just like kong hee, con men out to cheat naïve sinkies thinking that they are buying their way into salvation

Most of these evangelist pastors are double faced snake scums

 

[rushifa666]

if we let him run amok and send the message that religion is above law, chaos will ensure. Syriah law is already a hot topic around the world. I think he should let his tattoed salg of a daughter be the spokesperson. the matter will be resolved very quickly

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Me thinks the worse trouble makers are the jews,,,it seems they really hate christians and christianity,,and view them as heritics,,there are many christian denominations but many are not christians and they are just cults....using their 'christian names' to further their own ends.

fundamentalist christians take the bible literary, and they pick and chose what they want like giving tithes etc. They chose to forget a fundamental point that the bible is written 2000 years ago for a 2000 year ago environment. Most of the literal saying are irrelevant in todays world.

Its the spirit and intent of the word that is important and not the literal sayings. If the bible is meant to be taken literally, how come slavery is abolish? the bible never say anything against slavery..at most there was one part of the bible that say slaves must obey their masters and their masters must treat the slave well,

The Roman Catholics dont read the bible that way literally. it those fundamentalist nut jobs that do and they are the ones giving proper christians a bad name,,for eg Con Hee and gang

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Bible is not meant to be read literary. Simple as that,,,if one reads it literary we will end up like fundamentalist muslims and cannot eat pork, and go to war with all other religions and stone people etc. Oh and call everyone an infidel,..and suck up to the jews...and believe that world will end soon, and that 666 is coming and so on...

This botox khong is just another hypocritical christard who cherry pick what biblical laws to practice usually not on himself or herself but for....................

 

[peppertail]

A bunch of lunatics! If PAP allows them to win this battle, PAP should just fold up and fuck off!

For once i agree.

 

[drifteri]

Me thinks the worse trouble makers are the jews,,,it seems they really hate christians and christianity,,and view them as heritics,,there are many christian denominations but many are not christians and they are just cults....using their 'christian names' to further their own ends.

fundamentalist christians take the bible literary, and they pick and chose what they want like giving tithes etc. They chose to forget a fundamental point that the bible is written 2000 years ago for a 2000 year ago environment. Most of the literal saying are irrelevant in todays world.

Its the spirit and intent of the word that is important and not the literal sayings. If the bible is meant to be taken literally, how come slavery is abolish? the bible never say anything against slavery..at most there was one part of the bible that say slaves must obey their masters and their masters must treat the slave well,

The Roman Catholics dont read the bible that way literally. it those fundamentalist nut jobs that do and they are the ones giving proper christians a bad name,,for eg Con Hee and gang

The Catholic Bible and other older Bibles mostly use slave & slaves but newer versions use the words "servant" & "servants". See how the bible got evolve with time

You said bible tells slave masters must treat their slave well, what a joke
Not only does the bible allow beating your slaves, it allows you to beat them to death, just as long as the slave does not immediately die from the beating but able to survive for a few days before dying. What a barbaric law?

Christianity is actually an ancient cult developed by the roman emperor constantine for empire control

 

[drifteri]

If the bible is meant to be taken literally, how come slavery is abolish? the bible never say anything against slavery..at most there was one part of the bible that say slaves must obey their masters and their masters must treat the slave well,

This is the biblical savagery slavery law:

“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.”

—Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)

 

[drifteri]

Bible is not meant to be read literary. Simple as that,,,if one reads it literary we will end up like fundamentalist muslims and cannot eat pork, and go to war with all other religions and stone people etc. Oh and call everyone an infidel,..and suck up to the jews...and believe that world will end soon, and that 666 is coming and so on...

I concur Otherwise, true male christians have to be circumcised

 

[The_Hypocrite]

The bible is full of contradictions,,,on one hand say one thing, and later on say another,..that is why it cannot be taken literally. Also the old testament is very violent that is why there is a new testament where by its more about God's love for the people,...but those Con Hee and gang quote old testament is for the tithes thing..they are acting like the hypocrites Jesus mentions in the new testament.

The Catholic Bible and other older Bibles mostly use slave & slaves but newer versions use the words "servant" & "servants". See how the bible got evolve with time

You said bible tells slave masters must treat their slave well, what a joke
Not only does the bible allow beating your slaves, it allows you to beat them to death, just as long as the slave does not immediately die from the beating but able to survive for a few days before dying. What a barbaric law?

Christianity is actually an ancient cult developed by the roman emperor constantine for empire control

 

[drifteri]

The bible is full of contradictions,,,on one hand say one thing, and later on say another,..that is why it cannot be taken literally. Also the old testament is very violent that is why there is a new testament where by its more about God's love for the people,...but those Con Hee and gang quote old testament is for the tithes thing..they are acting like the hypocrites Jesus mentions in the new testament.

Not only full of contradictions, full of plagarism too! The harsh 10 commandments were copied from the egyptian book of dead


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[drifteri]

Plagiarism in the Bible

 

[Qantas]

this lawless khong is just like kong hee, con men out to cheat naïve sinkies thinking that they are buying their way into salvation

Khong will re-enact the Crusades soon. All non-Xtians better run for your lives.

 

[Poomer]

That's true, but Dominionists won't care. They want to 'take back the world for Christ', so when every position of leadership is filled by a Christian, when godless secularism has been thoroughly banished, there will be a spiritual revival and the second coming of Jesus will commence.

And people only get upset at the Taliban, JI, world caliphate with shariah law etc. Go figure.

Many Christian cults out there I guess. At least this one sounds harmless coz they are not popular & they don't talk about holy war and suicide bombers.

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Some christian cults.will.call for a crusade. But i doubt con hee will do it. He is only after the tithes. Anything else he wont bother.

Khong will re-enact the Crusades soon. All non-Xtians better run for your lives.

 

[rushifa666]

its two against one. muslims and jews v christianity. they have never said jesus is the son of god. and there's none of the new testament populist crap. apparently circumcision is good enough for their messiah but not good enough for them

 

[The_Hypocrite]

Dont quote from Old testament lah,,old testament is just a point of reference, as its the new testament that counts,,cos when jesus died, he gave his followers a new covenant. So to me, even 10 commandments no longer counts,,read this from the new testament

1 Timothy 6:1-2 - Christian slaves (employees) should treat their masters with respect, and avoid causing dishonour to the name of God and our teaching. If they have Christian masters they should not despise them because they work for brothers in the faith. Indeed they should serve them all the better because they are thereby benefiting those who have the same faith and love as themselves. This is the sort of thing you should teach

This is the biblical savagery slavery law:

“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be punished; for the slave is his money.”

—Exodus 21:20-21 (RSV)

 

[WongMengMeng]

These sort of theological discussions should be in the Religion folder. The title of this thread is mischievous.

Only question as far as I am concerned is whether MOM screwed up in handling a perfectly secular matter that happened to involve an employer which is a church. In my opinion MOM screwed up and are now trying very hard to hide under motherhood statements such as religion is separate from state.

Dont quote from Old testament lah,,old testament is just a point of reference, as its the new testament that counts,,cos when jesus died, he gave his followers a new covenant. So to me, even 10 commandments no longer counts,,read this from the new testament

1 Timothy 6:1-2 - Christian slaves (employees) should treat their masters with respect, and avoid causing dishonour to the name of God and our teaching. If they have Christian masters they should not despise them because they work for brothers in the faith. Indeed they should serve them all the better because they are thereby benefiting those who have the same faith and love as themselves. This is the sort of thing you should teach