Chow Ang Moh Kangroo-land debate weather they must send troops when PLA invade Taiwan! Get ready coffins 1st!

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大陸若攻台澳洲應否助美？學者：拒絕等於背棄同盟


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對於澳洲應否助美協防台灣，學者意見不一。圖為美澳聯合軍演。（互聯網）
陸美台角力持續，令台海局勢日漸緊張。有澳洲學者近日就台海一旦爆發衝突，澳洲政府應採取何種行動而展開激辯，討論重點在於澳洲應否和美國聯手協防台灣，對抗中國大陸。
澳洲國家大學戰略政策研究所教授、國防部前國防戰略及情報事務副部長迪布（Paul Dibb）表示，如果大陸對協防台灣的美軍展開攻擊，而澳洲拒絕介入，《太平洋安全保障條約》（ANZUS）之下的澳洲、新西蘭、美國同盟關係，將面臨風險，更是亞太地區同盟系統的終結。
迪布亦認為，一旦台海發生衝突，除了日本以外，沒有其他美國盟友會願意軍事協防台灣。對澳洲而言，台灣不僅符合《太平洋安全保障條約》中關於「太平洋地區」武裝攻擊的定義，如果澳洲拒絕協防台灣，將被華盛頓視為背棄同盟的承諾。
不過該大學另一教授懷特（Hugh White）提出另一看法。他同意如果澳洲不協防，將削弱甚至摧毀澳美同盟關係，但他認為這不代表澳洲或美國就應該為協防台灣而與大陸一戰。
懷特認為，大陸已成美國強大對手，而且在地理位置上，大陸有極大優勢，美國不太可能取得快速勝利，一旦發生長時間、高代價的戰爭，美國在亞洲的領導力將蕩然無存。
在這種考慮下，「華盛頓面臨的選擇，將是與中國一戰而放棄它在亞洲的地位，還是根本不要與中國一戰」，如果美國真的選擇戰爭，澳洲最好還是置身事外。


If the mainland is attacking Taiwan, should Australia help the United States? Scholar: Rejection is equal to abandoning the alliance
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Scholars disagree on whether Australia should help the US to defend against Taiwan. The picture shows the US-Australian joint military exercise. (the Internet)

The continued strength of Lu Meitai has made the situation in the Taiwan Strait increasingly tense. Some Australian scholars have recently launched a debate on what action the Australian government should take in the wake of the conflict in the Taiwan Strait. The discussion focuses on whether Australia should join forces with the United States to defend Taiwan against the Chinese mainland.

Paul Dibb, a professor at the Australian National University's Institute of Strategic Policy and former deputy defense strategy and intelligence officer at the Department of Defense, said that if the mainland attacks the US forces that are defending Taiwan, and Australia refuses to intervene, the Pacific Security Treaty ( The alliance between Australia, New Zealand and the United States under ANZUS will face risks and is the end of the Asia-Pacific alliance system.

Dib also believes that once there is a conflict in the Taiwan Strait, no other US allies will be willing to cooperate with Taiwan in addition to Japan. For Australia, Taiwan is not only in line with the definition of "Pacific" armed attacks in the Pacific Security Treaty. If Australia refuses to defend Taiwan, it will be regarded by Washington as a promise to abandon the alliance.

But another professor at the university, Hugh White, made another point. He agreed that if Australia does not cooperate, it will weaken or even destroy the Australia-US alliance, but he believes that this does not mean that Australia or the United States should fight against the mainland for the defense of Taiwan.

White believes that the mainland has become a strong opponent of the United States, and in terms of geographical location, the mainland has great advantages, and the United States is unlikely to achieve rapid victory. Once a long and costly war occurs, the leadership of the United States in Asia will disappear.

Under this consideration, "Washington's choice will be to abandon its position in Asia with China, or not to fight China at all." If the United States really chooses war, Australia is better off.

 

[LordElrond]

Nuke kangaroo land first, problem solved.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Kangaroo land has no biz in fuckein land. Should just leave it alone n let ah tiong land invade n conquer Fuckeinland. N fuckein land going to surrender anyway. Talk soon much also waste time. Why even bother when fuckeins not even willing to fight for their country?

 

[war is best form of peace]

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澳前副防长呼吁出兵"协防"台湾 叫嚣捍卫"自由民主"

2019年02月17日 09:55 观察者网



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在澳大利亚举办的黑色投送-2018多国空中演习，印度首次参加了该演习，印度在演习中也感受了其他国家的战机，其中包括此前印度一直希望购买的法制阵风战机。


（观察者网讯）澳大利亚前国防部副部长保罗·迪布（Paul Dibb）上周撰文呼吁澳政府，基于与美国安保盟约，澳应出兵“协防”台湾。台湾外事机构对此窃喜。

图自台媒

据台媒2月16日报道，目前任教于澳大利亚国立大学（ANU）的迪布日前公开发表文章宣称，澳大利亚基于与美国的安保盟约，应该出兵“协防”台湾。他声称，台湾确实在“太平洋安全保障条约”的防卫范围内，如果台湾的“自由民主”不值得澳大利亚捍卫，还有什么人会愿意守护澳大利亚？
台湾外事机构今天（16日）对此大肆宣扬称，近来美国、英国及德国等国家连续公开支持台湾，如今澳大利亚学界也公开表达支持，台湾已获得国际社会各界肯定。
台外事机构也说，台湾未来将持续深化与相关国家和地区在各层面的“友好关系”。
据了解，早在去年，美国前国防部贸易安全政策副次长斯蒂芬·布莱恩（Stephen Bryen）就曾公然宣称需要再“美台关系”上作重大改变。如应当讨论一套程序，“让美国能够在任何危机或紧急情况下，使用台湾的空军基地”，以便让大陆了解到，“美国会协防台湾”。
当时，国台办新闻发言人马晓光曾回应，我们坚决反对台湾与美国进行任何形式的官方往来和军事联系，坚决反对美国以任何借口向台湾出售武器，任何挟洋自重、破坏台海和平稳定的行径，都必将自食恶果。





The former deputy defense chief of Australia appealed to send troops to "co-defense" Taiwan called "defend freedom"
February 17, 2019 09:55 Observer Network
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In India, the black-selling -2018 multinational air exercise, India participated in the exercise for the first time. In the exercise, India also felt the fighters of other countries, including the legal gust fighters that India had always wanted to buy.

(Observer Web News) Australia's former Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Dibb last week wrote an article appealing to the Australian government, based on the US security alliance, Australia should send troops to "co-defense" Taiwan. Taiwan’s foreign affairs agencies have been happy about this.
Picture from Taiwan media from Taiwan

According to Taiwan media reports on February 16, Dibu, who is currently teaching at the Australian National University (ANU), published a publicly published article claiming that Australia should send troops to "co-defense" Taiwan based on its security covenant with the United States. He claimed that Taiwan is indeed within the defense scope of the "Pacific Security Treaty". If Taiwan's "liberal democracy" is not worthy of defending in Australia, who else will be willing to protect Australia?

Taiwan’s foreign affairs agency today (16th) publicized that it has recently publicly supported Taiwan in the United States, Britain and Germany. Now the Australian academic community has publicly expressed its support. Taiwan has won recognition from all walks of life in the international community.

The Taiwan Foreign Affairs Agency also said that Taiwan will continue to deepen its "friendly relations" with relevant countries and regions at various levels in the future.

It is understood that as early as last year, Stephen Bryen, the former deputy chief of the US Department of Defense's trade security policy, publicly declared that there is a need for major changes in the "US-Taiwan relationship." If a procedure should be discussed, “allow the United States to use Taiwan’s air base in any crisis or emergency”, so that the mainland can understand that “the United States will defend Taiwan”.

At that time, Ma Xiaoguang, a spokesperson for the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council, responded that we resolutely oppose any form of official exchanges and military ties between Taiwan and the United States, and resolutely oppose the US’s sale of weapons to Taiwan under any pretext, and any acts of self-reliance and destruction of peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait. They will all eat their own evil consequences.

 

[war is best form of peace]

曾经，他是王者，后来...


臭红毛不知死!

 

[war is best form of peace]

It is basically just an empty debate, because practically today's PLA can completely takeover Taiwan anytime, and way before any Chow Ang Moh could even arrive.

By the time they came, war is over, and they will actually die still, before reaching Taiwan, as long as Xi hit his Rocket Army launch buttons, there will be sunken Ang Moh ships and Ang Moh corpses all over the Pacific.

PLA repeatedly said it is just matter of HOURS not days, to conquer Taiwan. Missiles and Long Range Rockets will rain and paralyze whole Taiwan when landing forces are on the move. Missiles from mainland will be 1st round, missiles from warships and warplanes will be at same time as forces lands, and during ground war IF ANY!

The chance of ground war will be too tiny. At very most just tiny pockets of resistance from leftovers.

PLA missiles and long range rockets are accurate enough to be use even when ground wars happens, they regularly do so during standard practices. Fire backup from hundreds of kms away is common with PLA. Taiwan can be cannibalized 10 times over without a single doubt. Most of them will only think about surrender or die, even fleeing is impossible.

 

[Boliao]

Majority of older and younger Taiwanese actually welcomes reunification. It's only the middle age group that doesn't.

 

[democracy my butt]

Majority of older and younger Taiwanese actually welcomes reunification. It's only the middle age group that doesn't.

So do you think the youth will kill themselves to fight against PLA to fulfill the wishes of their parents?

 

[Sideswipe]

it's not that simple for China to invade Taiwan proper. Taiwan surely can intercept most of China missiles. the PLA's amphibious landing involves some difficulty. ROC armed forces believed that they can defend Taiwan for 7 days without outside military help, USA military intervention. the ROC has to be ready to defend Taiwan on one's own.

 

[democracy my butt]

it's not that simple for China to invade Taiwan proper. Taiwan surely can intercept most of China missiles. the PLA's amphibious landing involves some difficulty. ROC armed forces believed that they can defend Taiwan for 7 days without outside military help, USA military intervention. the ROC has to be ready to defend Taiwan on one's own.

Taiwan?

Even USA can not intercept most of PLA Rocket Army's missiles!

 

[war is best form of peace]

Taiwan?

Even USA can not intercept most of PLA Rocket Army's missiles!

Very few countries can really intercept Rocket Army's normal missiles. No country can intercept Rocket Army's HGV missiles. Taiwan is the most useless Bapok just like SAF, which suck on Most Expensive and USELESS USA weapons.

Dotard's THAAD installed in Kim Chi's golf course could not do anything about Kim Jong Nuke's repeated firing of Hwasong - ALL MODELS!

 

[war is best form of peace]

it's not that simple for China to invade Taiwan proper. Taiwan surely can intercept most of China missiles. the PLA's amphibious landing involves some difficulty. ROC armed forces believed that they can defend Taiwan for 7 days without outside military help, USA military intervention. the ROC has to be ready to defend Taiwan on one's own.

There absolutely no issue to land in Taiwan and would be easier than PLA's own extensively hardened exercises. When 2000 DF missiles with warheads from 300kg to over 1000kg WASHED Taiwan, plus 50,000 rounds of precision long ranged rocket each 250kg PLAINS Taiwan, it will change terrains quite flat. The rockets clears minefiles on beach and in coastal water. PLA has Petabytes of intelligence and target data well updated every seconds. More than half are from Satellites. The rain of missiles and rockets will flatten and plain everything. The satellites and drones will be dispatched when smoke cleared to review each targets. Those which require additional fire will be automatically highlighted by supercomputers which recommends the fill-up fire solutions e.g. with different warheads and new angles of attack. Shifted (fled / redeployed) targets will get covered again and again, until they vanish.







No one in the world has it but only PLA which even WS-3 & WS-64 rockets got unique ability to destroy hidden submarines. A huge sophisticated network largest in the world of underwater listening devices inter-connected by fibre optical cables all over not just Taiwan but from Hainan to Korean Peninsular to Japan to precisely detect and track submarines. Few million sensors are already there. They can see all submarines like reading their own palms now - as long as within few hundred km to Chinese coast. It is called 水下长城 aka underwater Great Wall.



This video shows you that very advance under water drones and robot constructs and maintain these system.

Like Pee Sai PAP idiots day dreaming for USA to rescue their ass, and as if they were safe if they keep their ass in a single piece for 7 days. KNN pathetic.

Ass start to bleed within 7 seconds, and burn within 7mins! Cannot find your ass after 70 mins!

Dotard will not come to rescue anyone - not in 7 centuries. If ANY Ang Moh come against PLA they will just all die half way before reaching. They know that! Rocket Army sinks anything within the Pacific sufficient stock of Rockets to do that several times over. Sky is also covered by missiles with ranges far exceeding USAF's missiles. USAF planes will be shot before they could fly close enough to fire their missiles. PLA antiaircraft missiles now have superior range to kill USAF further than the biggest missile USAF have. Chinese missiles are smaller and lighter and can go further because their propellant is most advanced better than US.



https://mil.sina.cn/sd/2019-01-21/detail-ihqfskcn9036582.d.html?vt=4&cid=65898

中国新型固体火箭燃料试车成功 大幅提升战略导弹射程
2019.01.21 12:38:24新浪军事

据中国航天科技第四研究院2018年度十大新闻揭晓中披露，“2018年11月15日，我院应用新一代推进剂的某新型发动机首台地面热试车获得圆满成功，标志着我国新一代发动机技术取得全面突破，实现了中国航天固体动力技术的又一跨越，具有里程碑意义。全年，四院一系列关键技术攻关、飞行演示验证工作取得重大突破，全年技术创新成绩斐然。”这也是我国继公开报道CL20高能炸药工业化合成获得2014年国防科技特等奖之后，官方首次披露新一代高能推进剂在型号研制中的应用近况。中国航天科技集团公司第四研究院（航天动力技术研究院）成立于1962年7月1日，是我国历史最久、水平最高、实力最强、规模最大的固体火箭发动机专业研究院。主要承担着我国运载火箭、战略战术导弹、卫星、载人飞船等航天产品固体发动机的研制、生产、试验任务，以及在该领域内的国家重大技术创新和预先研究任务。
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另据CL-20工业化合成研制团队——北京理工大学发布的公开新闻中披露，“在固体推进领域，学校研制的含能材料CL-20，作为我国在研的能量最高的固体推进剂的主氧化剂，直接实现了我国固体火箭推进能力大幅提升，成为对航天动力研究领域的耀眼贡献。”因此，上述新闻报道进行试车的新一代高能推进剂很可能就是含CL-20成分的固体高能推进剂。同时，由于地面热试车是固体火箭发动机型号研制的两大节点之一，当重点考核发动机技术方案正确性、合理性，以及所用材料、工艺性是否达标的地面热试车节点顺利完成后，就会很快进入下一个重大节点：飞行演示试验。重点考核整个发动机飞行的性能，测试固体火箭发动机在真实自然环境条件下，比如高温、低温等飞行条件下的工作性能。


当地面试车和飞行验证都顺利完成之后，发动机将正式具备型号工程应用条件。由于固体火箭发动机地面热试车成功后可很快进行飞行演示试验，这也意味着如果一切顺利的话，在不久的将来，我国的固体弹道导弹和火箭发动机性能即将达到世界最先进水平，大幅提高我国的国防实力。据公开资料报道，CL-20是一种具有高能量、高密度、高爆压、高爆速特点的新型笼状多硝胺类化合物炸药，于1987年在美国率先研制成功，与之前研制出来的RDX、HMX等高能炸药属同系物，由于爆速以及爆炸时放出的热量均居世界前列，以及性能比较稳定，被誉为“明天的高能炸药”，在工业及军事领域的具有广泛的应用前景。世界各国纷纷投入大量的财力和物力进行研究。



由于该炸药生产成本较高，一直制约着其大规模应用，美国曾计划在2002年之后将其价格降到每克200至400美元以内，用于投入具体的战略导弹型号应用，但到现在也没有成功的公开新闻报道。据我国专家分析，美国的CL-20工业化生产路线似乎已经失败，其中试生产线一直无法降低生产成本，且纯度不佳，直接影响该炸药性能，美国已决定更换生产工艺路线或仿制生产由前苏联/俄罗斯研制成功的ADN新型含能材料。据有关资料称俄罗斯已将ADN推进剂用于部分空空导弹、SS-24导弹及SS-27（白杨-M）洲际导弹的第三级发动机等型号。由于ADN的稳定性不佳，在20世纪70至80年代，前苏联在研制ADN的过程中，曾发生过四次重大的爆炸事故，能否作为合格的下一代高能推进剂主要成分，还有待商榷。


据国内公开资料报道，北理工研发团队经过几代人的努力，特别是赵信岐教授首创的TAIW合成CL-20工业化生产路线，经过与北化集团庆阳特种化工公司长期合作，实现了该含能材料的大批生产，有望将生产成本降低到每公斤千元左右，让军队做到真正买的起，用的起。由于CL-20高能炸药成分可引入到各种固体推进剂中，大幅提高这些推进剂的能量水平、比冲和燃速，在不增加重量的情况下提高各种战略战术固体导弹的射程和速度，具有极高的战略意义。同时由于CL-20的分子结构中不含氯，不会存在由燃烧产物中的盐酸烟雾所导致的二次烟问题，因而呈现出较小的特征信号，也符合下一代导弹对隐身提出的更高要求。（作者署名：高科技前沿观察）

China's new solid rocket fuel test successfully improved the strategic missile range
2019.01.21 12:38:24 Sina Military

According to the announcement of the Top Ten News of China Aerospace Science and Technology Research Institute in 2018, "On November 15, 2018, the first ground-based hot test of a new type of engine using a new generation of propellant in our hospital was a complete success, marking a new generation in China. The engine technology has made a comprehensive breakthrough and achieved another leap in China's aerospace solid-state technology. It has made a major breakthrough in a series of key technical research and flight demonstration verification work in the Fourth Hospital, and the annual technological innovation has achieved remarkable results. It is also the first time that China has disclosed the application of a new generation of high-energy propellants in the development of models after publicly reporting that the industrialization and synthesis of CL20 high-energy explosives has won the 2014 National Defense Science and Technology Special Award. The Fourth Research Institute of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (Aerospace Power Technology Research Institute) was established on July 1, 1962. It is the longest, highest level, strongest and largest solid rocket engine research institute in China. It is mainly responsible for the development, production and testing of solid rocket engines for aerospace products such as launch vehicles, strategic and tactical missiles, satellites and manned spacecraft, as well as major national technological innovations and advance research tasks in this field.
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According to the public news released by the CL-20 industrial synthesis research team, Beijing Institute of Technology, “In the field of solid propulsion, the energy-enhancing material CL-20 developed by the school is the main energy-based solid propellant in China. The oxidant directly realized the substantial improvement of China's solid rocket propulsion capability and became a dazzling contribution to the field of aerospace power research. Therefore, the new generation of high-energy propellant for the test report mentioned above is likely to be a solid high-energy propellant containing CL-20. . At the same time, since the ground hot test is one of the two major nodes developed by the solid rocket engine model, when the correctness and rationality of the engine technical plan are evaluated, and the ground hot test node with the materials and processability is up to standard, it will be completed. Soon the next major node: flight demonstration test. Focus on the performance of the entire engine flight, test the performance of the solid rocket engine under real natural environmental conditions, such as high temperature, low temperature and other flight conditions.

After the local interview vehicle and flight verification are successfully completed, the engine will officially have the model engineering application conditions. Due to the successful ground test of the solid rocket engine, the flight demonstration test can be carried out very quickly. This means that if all goes well, in the near future, the performance of China's solid ballistic missile and rocket engine will reach the world's most advanced level, greatly improving China. Defense strength. According to public reports, CL-20 is a new type of caged polynitrosamine explosive with high energy, high density, high detonation pressure and high detonation velocity. It was first developed in the United States in 1987 and was developed in the past. RDX, HMX and other high-energy explosives are homologues. Due to the detonation rate and the heat released during the explosion, they are among the world's foremost, and the performance is relatively stable. It is known as “Tomorrow's high-energy explosives” and has broad application prospects in industrial and military fields. Countries all over the world have invested a lot of financial and material resources to conduct research.

Due to the high production cost of the explosive, which has been restricting its large-scale application, the United States had planned to reduce its price to less than 200 to 400 US dollars per gram after 2002 for the application of specific strategic missile models, but now There were no successful public news reports. According to the analysis of experts in China, the CL-20 industrial production route in the United States seems to have failed. The trial production line has been unable to reduce the production cost, and the purity is not good, directly affecting the performance of the explosive. The United States has decided to replace the production process route or copy the production from the former Soviet Union. / Russia's successful ADN new energetic materials. According to relevant information, Russia has used ADN propellant for models such as partial air-to-air missiles, SS-24 missiles and SS-27 (Poplar-M) intercontinental missiles. Due to the poor stability of ADN, in the 1970s and 1980s, the Soviet Union had four major explosion accidents during the development of ADN. Whether it can be used as the main component of qualified next-generation high-energy propellant remains to be seen. Business.

According to domestic public information reports, the research and development team of Beijing Institute of Technology has achieved the energy content through the efforts of several generations, especially the TAIW synthetic CL-20 industrial production route initiated by Professor Zhao Xinyi. After long-term cooperation with Beihua Group Qingyang Special Chemical Company, the energy content has been realized. The mass production of materials is expected to reduce the production cost to about 1,000 yuan per kilogram, so that the military can really buy it and use it. Because CL-20 high-energy explosives can be introduced into various solid propellants, the energy levels, specific impulses and burning rates of these propellants can be greatly increased, and the range and speed of various strategic and tactical solid missiles can be improved without increasing the weight. It has a very high strategic significance. At the same time, because the molecular structure of CL-20 does not contain chlorine, there will be no secondary smoke caused by hydrochloric acid smoke in the combustion products, so it shows a small characteristic signal, which is also in line with the next-generation missile proposed for stealth. High requirements. (Author's signature: high-tech frontier observation)

 

[A Singaporean]

If all Chinese in China jump at the same time, there will be an earthquake in Taiwan. If they are spit at the same time, Taiwan will be flooded. No weapon required to destroy Taiwan.

 

[Shut Up you are Not MM]

Nuke kangaroo land first, problem solved.