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China cracks advanced microchip technology

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China cracks advanced microchip technology in blow against western sanctions

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China has cracked a microchip design method previously mastered only by the West in a challenge that could undermine sanctions.

Patent filings show that Huawei has made advances on a crucial chip-making method, raising the prospect that the company could eventually start making some of the tiniest and most powerful microchips in-house.

Such a development would allow Beijing to circumvent Western sanctions. Washington, Brussels and London are all currently blocking access to advanced Western-made computer chips in China over fears the communist nation could develop new military capabilities beyond the resilience of Western armies.

Huawei’s patent application, filed in November but only revealed to the world public this month, describes a way to use ultraviolet light to etch the inner workings of a computer chip into a piece of silicon.
With so-called extremes Ultraviolet lithography (EUV) technology can be used to produce transistors that are only nanometers in size. The most powerful computer chips contain millions of transistors, and advances in miniaturization enable the creation of extremely powerful chips.

The highly specialized technology has so far only been cracked by the Dutch company ASML. The chip-making secrets of ASML, a €208 billion deal, are jealously guarded by both the company and the West.

Dutch Foreign Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher told the country’s parliament in November that ASML’s chip technology was a jewel in the country’s crown to be protected.

US trade sanctions imposed on China this summer specifically targeted EUV technology imports. According to Bloomberg, Dutch officials have been urged by the US to refuse export licenses to China.

The news that local champion Huawei has found a way to develop the chips itself is likely to raise alarms among Western officials.

Huawei did not respond to a request for comment.

EUV machines cost between $150 and $300 million each and are about the size of a London bus. Factories typically require between 9 and 18 machines, pushing the cost of new chip fabs well into the billions.

ASML’s microchip manufacturing machines are used by the world’s leading chipmakers such as Intel, Samsung and Taiwanese chip giant TSMC. In January 2022, Intel ordered five EUV machines to help equip a new chip fab.

Separately, Huawei said on Friday that it was “back to normal business” after two years of disruption sparked by US sanctions.

In a year-end message, Chairman Eric Xu said the company had emerged from “crisis mode,” saying, “US restrictions are now our new normal and we are returning to normal business operations.”

Former US President Donald Trump imposed sanctions on Huawei in 2019, including a ban on using Google’s Android mobile operating system, which Huawei’s consumer smartphone division relied on.

Other western nations followed with similar bans, including an order by then-Prime Minister Boris Johnson to remove Huawei equipment from key UK telecoms infrastructure in 2020.

Restrictions were imposed over concerns that Huawei could be forced to work with Beijing and offer backdoor access to security communications systems.

Sanctions caused Huawei’s global revenue to fall by a third in 2021, but Mr Xu said Huawei’s 2022 sales are on track to remain at around 636.9 billion yuan (£76.6 billion)
 
Please lah, this kind of news totally cannot be trusted one lah. Otherwise, why the need for China to complain to the WTO over the chips sanctions imposed by America and the West?

For example, would you believe that they had claimed only 1 Covid-19 death had occurred yesterday? What a load of rubbish when one easily see from the news that their hospitals' Emergency Departments, funeral parlors and crematoriums are totally overwhelmed.
 
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Please lah, this kind of news totally cannot be trusted one lah. Otherwise, why the need for China to complain to the WTO over the chips sanctions imposed by America and the West?

For example, would you believe that they had claimed only 1 Covid-19 death had occurred yesterday? What a load of rubbish when one easily see from the news that their hospital's Emergency Departments, funeral parlors and crematoriums are totally overwhelmed.
On the other hand, i understand the sanctions for advanced chips only banned sales to specific chinese companies or government/military-linked entities.

All these while, consumer goods manufacturers in China could still get any chips that they want, eg. Foxconn making Iphone. Many of these eligible Chinese manufacturers are US-listed or have extensive trade-ties with US-listed customers, their internal audit will not dare to transfer any of these chips to the banned entities.

isn't this understanding correct?
 
On the other hand, i understand the sanctions for advanced chips only banned sales to specific chinese companies or government/military-linked entities.

All these while, consumer goods manufacturers in China could still get any chips that they want, eg. Foxconn making Iphone. Many of these eligible Chinese manufacturers are US-listed or have extensive trade-ties with US-listed customers, their internal audit will not dare to transfer any of these chips to the banned entities.

isn't this understanding correct?
If I remember correctly, those high end chips involved in AI and intensive graphics chips will be banned in China. Foxconn and Samsung are given 1 additional year to supply to their suppliers in China and thereafter, will be subjected to further reviews again if this concession can be extended.

Chinese government/military linked companies are definitely banned from obtaining those chips, but in China, there are always ways and means to do so through undertable. So, this problem must be nipped at the bud. That is why US citizens working in Chinese wafer fabs were being told last December that either they leave China or their US citizenships will be revoked.
 
The news that local champion Huawei has found a way to develop the chips itself is likely to raise alarms among Western officials.

Key words is "found a way..."


So haven't produce a single shxt yet la!!! Knn. I know Huawei file patents for 7nm but fk la, file patent and making it work on industrial basis is fkin monstrous gap
 
If I remember correctly, those high end chips involved in AI and intensive graphics chips will be banned in China. Foxconn and Samsung are given 1 additional year to supply to their suppliers in China and thereafter, will be subjected to further reviews again if this concession can be extended.

Chinese government/military linked companies are definitely banned from obtaining those chips, but in China, there are always ways and means to do so through undertable. So, this problem must be nipped at the bud. That is why US citizens working in Chinese wafer fabs were being told last December that either they leave China or their US citizenships will be revoked.


USA cannot cut china off suddenly when usa havent up their own production. 1 yr extension is just wait til USA is self sufficient, then permanent ban will be implemented
 
The news that local champion Huawei has found a way to develop the chips itself is likely to raise alarms among Western officials.

Key words is "found a way..."


So haven't produce a single shxt yet la!!! Knn. I know Huawei file patents for 7nm but fk la, file patent and making it work on industrial basis is fkin monstrous gap
Not only must be capable, but the yield must also be at least 90% efficient. Otherwise, what's the use when more than 80 out of 100 pieces will be rejects? Come on, if this technology is so easily achievable, TSMC and ASML will have numerous direct competitors by now.

One live practical example I personally came across is Japanese Combustion Engine technology. Why do Japanese engines last longer as compared to their Continental counterparts? It's because they have years of research into their castings. They have critical elements added into their castings after years and years of trials and testings so as to improve on its durability and reduce on its wear and tear.

How I know? I have Taiwanese clients producing engine block castings for Japanese automotive makers in Taiwan. The Taiwanese told me that they don't even know what are the exact critical elements to be added into the castings. They were only given prepacked units and told to be added for a particular amount of castings to be used. This kind of technology will forever be a trade secret and will never be revealed.
 
Not only must be capable, but the yield must also be at least 90% efficient. Otherwise, what's the use when more than 80 out of 100 pieces will be rejects? Come on, if this technology is so easily achievable, TSMC and ASML will have numerous direct competitors by now.

One live practical example I personally came across is Japanese Combustion Engine technology. Why do Japanese engines last longer as compared to their Continental counterparts? It's because they have years of research into their castings. They have critical elements added into their castings after years and years of trials and testings so as to improve on its durability and reduce on its wear and tear.

How I know? I have Taiwanese clients producing engine block castings for Japanese automotive makers in Taiwan. The Taiwanese told me that they don't even know what are the exact critical elements to be added into the castings. They were only given prepacked units and told to be added for a particular amount of castings to be used. This kind of technology will forever be a trade secret and will never be revealed.

In b4 5000 yrs of culture and history + SunTzu art of war
 
AMDK crack open the Huawei and found a 7nm chip
 
Yah, China cracked open Taiwanese chips and see what's inside, rub off the branding and call the chips its own. They did it with Motorola chips before so it's nothing new.
Mai picha lobang leh .... later XI DA DA 生气气 okay.
 
To Amdk, tiongkok should be producing 1um chip... Not 7nm
 
It is a matter of when ... IQ Map shows they are capable to challenge the status quo.

Race and IQ
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Technology is always there and everyone knows...

The skills and basic industry support to make the chips is not there.

U think u know theory of atomic bomb and can just make one???

Ur basic tech like metallurgy must reach that level first...
 
USA cannot cut china off suddenly when usa havent up their own production. 1 yr extension is just wait til USA is self sufficient, then permanent ban will be implemented


As saying goes, You always say "good doggy , good doggy....." until you manage to find a stick.
 
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