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Char brings U to North Korea
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why need to migrate there? living in sinkieland is similar to n korea
Not a lot of opportunity to take pics of North Koreans. This is the last one
As usual the stuff we read about the North have been grossly exaggerated. We were given a briefing on the China side, the tour agency boss told us not to talk about politics or the economy.
Over at the Korean side the tour guide told us not to take pics of any military personal or location. If we want to take pic of locals we need to ask them for permission coz it's rude not to and not to take pic out from inside the bus.
Other than that everything else is OK. At no point during the tour was I stopped from taking pics and at no point during the tour did they checked my photos. When in doubt just ask. The tour guide I had was quite knowledgeable and most of the locals we met were quite friendly. I learned A LOT from this trip. A lot of things we knew about the North was flat out wrong
As for the "police woman", actually it's army. She was the guide at the war museum. She speak pretty decent English. I was following the Chinese tour and she spoke to me in English after she found out I was not PRC(she doesn't speak Chinese). Obviously I asked her for permission before getting a picture with her(yes I was in that pic but edited myself out)
Thank you Google user.Show us what Hermit Kingdom doesn't want the world to see and not organized tours or photos approved by KNCA.
I took those photo myself I didn't google them. There wasn't much else to take other than those places they showed us. The condition of the country is not as bad as we think. Even the lesser developed area we passed by isn't THAT bad. India is way way worse than what I've seen in North Korea. Here are some pics of things that U probably won't find elsewhere. Pics are blur coz I took some of them from the bus/train
The local Tram system
The unfinished hotel. Very massive can see it from just about everywhere in Pyongyang
A street in Kaesong near a restaurant where we had lunch
This is what most of the houses in Pyongyang looks like
Farm Houses on the way to Pyongyang. Most of their village houses looks like these ones
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They bring tourist like me there, nuff said.
Funny thing is U dun even get to see the border if U visit from the South side
It's OK but it's nothing to shout about. U can tell the quality of the ingredients isn't top notch. The kimchi is quite different from the south. U'll be glad to know that since they don't use chemical fertilizer, all their food are "organic"
This meal I had at Kaesong is probably the best one I had there
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i sure hope i won't be reborn in Nth Korea.............i no want to be Korean clown...........
Some mythbusting from my tour of North Korea
1)It is hard to get inside, getting a visa is almost impossible
This is so wrong. It was very easy for me to join a Chinese tour to North Korea. I communicated with the Chinese tour agency mainly via Email. I sent them my Passport details to them once I confirm my dates. 1 day before the start of the tour, I went to the tour agency in Dandong to make payment. They got the visa ready the next day and I met them at the office which is next to the train station.
2)Having North Korean stamp on your Passport will make it harder to visit other countries
No stamping of passport for my trip. They just checked your passport and the visa that the tour agency will do for you. They did however kept my passport for just about the entire time I was there
3)No Photographs
As evident from all the picture I posted, this is so wrong. When I was there, the guide only told us not to take photographs of military personal and equipment. Locals are ok but we need to get their permission. At no point during the tour was I stopped from taking photos or my camera checked for undesirable photos
4)They do not allow Ang Moh tourist into the country
I saw quite a few Ang Moh tourist there. All from Europe though
5)North Koreans are hostile towards foreigners
Nope, they were pretty friendly. Even the border guards were very friendly was trying to joke with us with his limited Chinese while he was on the train to check documents
As for North Korean being poor
I think we can't really compare our system with their system
If we compare it this way yes they are pathetically poor. The tour guide was telling us his wage was something like RMB$500 a month. Which is about SGD$100. A Doctor probably earns around RMB$1500(SGD$300) a month
The thing about money there is they virtually do not need to use any money, it's not like they have anywhere to spend it to begin with
Everything is provided by the state
Housing, Healthcare, Education is all FREE.
Need a house, get married and apply for one, U get one in less than 2 months if it's available. They don't need to buy one, in fact, buying/selling a house is illegal
They don't need to buy food, everyone gets a ration card to exchange for food. Food allocation depends on job and size of the individual
Even cigarettes and alcohol is provided.
Electronics are given out as a sort of bonus. They basically work as a group. So for example a group of farmers is given a target of x tons of rice they need to produce a year. If they produce above that amount the team will get a reward of either cash or some other products of their choosing e.g. TV or fridge. Of coz if they save enough money they can buy it on their own
There are virtually no shops. There are only a few "shops" that are operated by the government where they can spend on "luxury" items like electronics product. Basically everything there is operated by the government. It's almost illegal to do business. They can barter goods with each other but not using cash
They have 100% employment rate and no tax. Basically no stress, coz if U work 10 hrs or 1 hr everyone gets equal treatment
As for entertainment there are 4 TV channels. We came across a few swimming pools, sport complex and quite a number of pple fishing by the river.
Personally I wouldn't want to live there but someone who crave a simpler life by find it good.
It's kind of ironic actually, everything that the Pro-Opposition camp is demanding from our govt, North Korea already has it.
1)It is hard to get inside, getting a visa is almost impossible
This is so wrong. It was very easy for me to join a Chinese tour to North Korea. I communicated with the Chinese tour agency mainly via Email. I sent them my Passport details to them once I confirm my dates. 1 day before the start of the tour, I went to the tour agency in Dandong to make payment. They got the visa ready the next day and I met them at the office which is next to the train station.
2)Having North Korean stamp on your Passport will make it harder to visit other countries
No stamping of passport for my trip. They just checked your passport and the visa that the tour agency will do for you. They did however kept my passport for just about the entire time I was there
3)No Photographs
As evident from all the picture I posted, this is so wrong. When I was there, the guide only told us not to take photographs of military personal and equipment. Locals are ok but we need to get their permission. At no point during the tour was I stopped from taking photos or my camera checked for undesirable photos
4)They do not allow Ang Moh tourist into the country
I saw quite a few Ang Moh tourist there. All from Europe though
5)North Koreans are hostile towards foreigners
Nope, they were pretty friendly. Even the border guards were very friendly was trying to joke with us with his limited Chinese while he was on the train to check documents
As for North Korean being poor
I think we can't really compare our system with their system
If we compare it this way yes they are pathetically poor. The tour guide was telling us his wage was something like RMB$500 a month. Which is about SGD$100. A Doctor probably earns around RMB$1500(SGD$300) a month
The thing about money there is they virtually do not need to use any money, it's not like they have anywhere to spend it to begin with
Everything is provided by the state
Housing, Healthcare, Education is all FREE.
Need a house, get married and apply for one, U get one in less than 2 months if it's available. They don't need to buy one, in fact, buying/selling a house is illegal
They don't need to buy food, everyone gets a ration card to exchange for food. Food allocation depends on job and size of the individual
Even cigarettes and alcohol is provided.
Electronics are given out as a sort of bonus. They basically work as a group. So for example a group of farmers is given a target of x tons of rice they need to produce a year. If they produce above that amount the team will get a reward of either cash or some other products of their choosing e.g. TV or fridge. Of coz if they save enough money they can buy it on their own
There are virtually no shops. There are only a few "shops" that are operated by the government where they can spend on "luxury" items like electronics product. Basically everything there is operated by the government. It's almost illegal to do business. They can barter goods with each other but not using cash
They have 100% employment rate and no tax. Basically no stress, coz if U work 10 hrs or 1 hr everyone gets equal treatment
As for entertainment there are 4 TV channels. We came across a few swimming pools, sport complex and quite a number of pple fishing by the river.
Personally I wouldn't want to live there but someone who crave a simpler life by find it good.
It's kind of ironic actually, everything that the Pro-Opposition camp is demanding from our govt, North Korea already has it.
Our system is as far as you can get from North Korea. U must be a fucking retard to think we are anything like them
did you explore around on your own or you did all activities in group only ? you were in Kaesong and Pyongyang. anywhere else ? Kaesong and Pyongyang are the best developed North Korean cities. can't really judge the condition of the country accurately based on these two cities.
bro char_azn, when did you visit? i was on the South Korea DMZ on 12th Sep late morning. And i remembered seeing that american lady photographer (in black jacket) on the right side of the american officials.
from what you said, it feels stricter over at the South side with regards to photo taking and carrying bags during the tour. I felt like i was back in NS again (very regimental) when the south korean tour guide said "cannot do this, cannot do that".
from what you said, it feels stricter over at the South side with regards to photo taking and carrying bags during the tour. I felt like i was back in NS again (very regimental) when the south korean tour guide said "cannot do this, cannot do that".
We did everything with the group, not much time to move around but I came in from the Northern border in China and traveled all the way to the Southern Korean border. We pass by many towns and villages on the way. There was no way they could hide everything. See the pic I posted of the village on the way. Much of the country looks like that. Village with simple houses, no proper concrete roads. The city themselves are pretty OK. There were parts where they had half constructed buildings but otherwise nothing major. The old birds here should know I go to India, A LOT. Frankly speaking even the villages are WAY better than the ones in India.
Pyongyang itself is VERY well maintain. It's streets are clean and the trees and plants are properly maintained. The roads within cities are OK but the highway between cities are pretty bad. Most of the houses in the city are like the one I posted above. Some are newer some are older. U cannot expect them to be like SG where many things the government done for us like repainting every couple of years, keeping streets clean and upgrading old flats are taken for granted. We are the exception, almost no where else in the world does the government do so much for in terms of maintaining the citizen's property. North Korea is no exception and they are no better or worst than most places I've been to. It's not the greatest city I've been to but it's no where near the worst and I've pretty much been around the world.
Seriously A LOT of things we thought we knew about the country is wrong. Let me put it this way, most of the stuff we know about the country is from defectors who run road to the South. Asking them about the condition of the country is like asking the jokers in here about their opinion of PAP. It's always going to be a gross exaggeration of the negative with little to no positive. Yes the country is poor, Yes the country is under a dictatorship and Yes the country is nowhere near as developed as places like SG but there are still positive aspects to the country and it's no where near as bad as I thought it'd be before I got there
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lol!!! I was at the border on the 12th also. My tour to the North was from 9th to 13th Sept. Visit to the border was on the 12th. The only place they told us not to take pic was at the DMZ line where they check the tour group documents. Once we cross that and got to the border itself, they didn't stop us from taking any photos
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Sabretooth
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Of course. Pyongyang ois where the elites stay.
Sure?
Google is a very useful tool and digging up dirt on NK is what i used to do. Google for
gulags in north korea
life in north korea
Like jw5 said, there will be no Bill Clinton in sg to save your ass if one gets gets detention for espionage or for no reason.
bro got auto roam there or not ? wat is the telco ? or they share w china ?
Thanks for sharing the interesting photos. The street pavement and roads are so wide and clean. I watched a CNA show that day on North korea got fence to separate the locals from the tourist. Don't have? And they say the locals not enough food to eat and always got electricity blackout. Is it true?
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The Defectors from CNA?
It is an interesting documentary, they showed tourist visiting North korea and interviewed defectors and also highlight this story of a 13 year old Japanese girl being abducted on her way home from school. They showed a photo of her believed to be taken shortly after abduction with no smile.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Jap...+heartbreak+after+learning/8850527/story.html
Thanks Char Azn for the pictures.
Yes, I think all the negative news we got to hear from Nkorea are deliberate misinformation by defectors or missionaries, picked gleefully by Skorea conservative media eg Choson Illbo and Western press to tarnish the Nkorean govt and its leaders.
Recently, there was the "news' of Kim Jong Un executing his ex gf by firing squad in front of the whole performancers which she belong. Even Yahoo news cautions about its authencity and Choson Ilbo which carried the news didn't know where the source were, except some 'defectors inside China".Same news about the "execution" of Nkorean 1962 world cup losing football team only to be given an interview by BBC later. It is quite obvious these news are deliberately planted to tarnish the Nkoreans and change public opinion. There were also wild reports of grieving Nkoreans of the death of elder Kim as being forced by gunpoint while those who didn't cried were "executed on the spot". But the taiwanese charity grp Tzu Chi who was in the countryside and Pyongyang doing charity works then on that period described the grieving as genuine without any forcing, and even affecting them emotionally as well. So we know all these negative news were generally make up deliberately falsified stories.
Yes, they are not angels and are a communist dictatorship. They are following traditional hermit kingdom style of the past. But it dun make sense for the govt to mistreat its ppl like what all the news make it out to be.
Yes, I think all the negative news we got to hear from Nkorea are deliberate misinformation by defectors or missionaries, picked gleefully by Skorea conservative media eg Choson Illbo and Western press to tarnish the Nkorean govt and its leaders.
Recently, there was the "news' of Kim Jong Un executing his ex gf by firing squad in front of the whole performancers which she belong. Even Yahoo news cautions about its authencity and Choson Ilbo which carried the news didn't know where the source were, except some 'defectors inside China".Same news about the "execution" of Nkorean 1962 world cup losing football team only to be given an interview by BBC later. It is quite obvious these news are deliberately planted to tarnish the Nkoreans and change public opinion. There were also wild reports of grieving Nkoreans of the death of elder Kim as being forced by gunpoint while those who didn't cried were "executed on the spot". But the taiwanese charity grp Tzu Chi who was in the countryside and Pyongyang doing charity works then on that period described the grieving as genuine without any forcing, and even affecting them emotionally as well. So we know all these negative news were generally make up deliberately falsified stories.
Yes, they are not angels and are a communist dictatorship. They are following traditional hermit kingdom style of the past. But it dun make sense for the govt to mistreat its ppl like what all the news make it out to be.
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