Serious Cause of the rift between LWlL, LHY and LHL

[Papsmearer]

if the "unnamed family member" acted accordingly to hisher conscientious discretion and judgment to remove said transcripts and return them to the authorities, heshe was rightfully doing hisher part. afterall, heshe was the designated clutter clearer. it's a thankless, tiring, and taxing task. the beneficiaries should at least show some gratitude and thank her for sorting through trash that might or might not be holding state secrets.

The father of the beneficiaries of this estate got the unnamed family member a job as CEO of Temasek, a job that she was totally unqualified for, as a result she is earning in the tens of millions $ a year. Why should the beneficiaries show gratitude? It should be the "unnamed family member" that should show the gratitude.

 

[Papsmearer]

if heshe is the designated clutter clearer and she inadvertently cums upon classified info it's not hisher fault nor heshe is held liable in breaking any osa laws. first of all heshe may not realize it's classified. the fact that she removes said transcripts and returns them to the proper authorities to vet, verify and ascertain, she's doing the right thing. when in doubt escalate matter to proper authorities.

I think living in the Bay Area has really fucked up your brain. The role of the decluterer is to simply go thru the documents and file them for record keeping. That is what I would imagine the 2 beneficiaries want her to do. They never said she could remove documents from the residence. just like if I hire someone like a secretary or personal assistant to organize my files and paperwork, I do not want them to start taking documents out and giving it this person or that based on the assumption that the documents belonged to this other parties. Which part of this logic are u having a hard time with?

 

[ckmpd]

if heshe is the designated clutter clearer and she inadvertently cums upon classified info it's not hisher fault nor heshe is held liable in breaking any osa laws. first of all heshe may not realize it's classified. the fact that she removes said transcripts and returns them to the proper authorities to vet, verify and ascertain, she's doing the right thing. when in doubt escalate matter to proper authorities.

if heshe comes across a "Confidential" or "Secret" document, and heshe opens up to read it, doesnt heshe commit a crime?

 

[eatshitndie]

I think living in the Bay Area has really fucked up your brain. The role of the decluterer is to simply go thru the documents and file them for record keeping. That is what I would imagine the 2 beneficiaries want her to do. They never said she could remove documents from the residence. just like if I hire someone like a secretary or personal assistant to organize my files and paperwork, I do not want them to start taking documents out and giving it this person or that based on the assumption that the documents belonged to this other parties. Which part of this logic are u having a hard time with?

what are you going to do if you are family and become designated clutter clearer for ah gong's estate and cum across documents that reveal sordid details of certain dignitaries, foreign and domestic, that they are moles and double agents, who are greasing who, and who are being compromised and coerced or blackmailed? are you going to close an eye and hope no one finds out? or are you going to alert the proper authorities that sensitive documents are improperly secured in a private residence? if lives were to be lost or national security compromised or foreign relations suffer as a result of sensitive transcripts, albeit old and perhaps obsolete but nonetheless hush-hush, ending up in the wrong hands either through carelessness, burglary, espionage, theft, etc., sinkies would kpkb that the declutterer had failed to go the extra mile and prevent the mishap. the declutterer should be awarded a medal for thinking outside the box, going the extra mile, perhaps saving lives being compromised in the transcripts, preserving good relations with foreign cuntries, and preventing unnecessary embarassment to sg. this kind of unselfish initiative only goes to show what a great person of exemplary character the declutterer is. you can be rest assured that sg is in good hands.

 

[Papsmearer]

if heshe comes across a "Confidential" or "Secret" document, and heshe opens up to read it, doesnt heshe commit a crime?

Ah ha, u ask a very good question. And here is the
tricky part.

On one of the shit times articles I read, Hsien Yang was allowed to view the transcripts at the govt office, only after signing a confidentiality agreement. That is mentioned in the first article. He mentioned that when he went to view it, the word "Secret" was not stamped on any of the transcript documents. In fact, they were just like any other piece of paperwork. As far as the family was concerned, the agreement that Old Man signed with the Cabinet Secretary over the transcripts does not mention anything about the transcripts being Official Secrets. Otherwise, they would have been stamped with "Secret" chop, and would have been under lock and key somewhere in a Ministry building. I think the estate was very surprised to learn that the judge designated them as documents under the OSA, because according to the judge, they were "politically sensitive". This is really bullshit as far as I am concerned, and it seems that the estate was railroaded and played out by the kangaroo judge.

Once the judge made the decision that they are covered under the OSA (something that is beyond his scope and qualification to do), the sister and brother were screwed, they were never going to get them back. This brings into question other interview transcripts that Old man had done. For example, when his biographer Alex Josey interviewed him for the books "Lee Kuan Yew - The Struggle for Singapore" and "Lee Kuan Yew - The Crucial Years", why weren't these interview transcripts also covered under the OSA? After all, Old Fart did make many political commentaries in those books. How come the books themselves as well as Alex Josey's transcripts were not covered under OSA?

By putting the interview transcripts under the OSA, it has prevented the estate from putting out a final book on Old Man. The transcripts can be mined for book material by a ghost writer, and put together as a series of thoughts and opinions. In the wake of Old man's death, any such book release from the estate from a new source like these transcripts would sell like hotcakes. This court decision has killed this potential line of revenues if the estate had wanted to do it. It seems to me that Wei Ling and Hsien Yang really got tekanned in this case by SIL.

 

[ckmpd]

Ah ha, u ask a very good question. And here is the
tricky part.

On one of the shit times articles I read, Hsien Yang was allowed to view the transcripts at the govt office, only after signing a confidentiality agreement. That is mentioned in the first article. He mentioned that when he went to view it, the word "Secret" was not stamped on any of the transcript documents. In fact, they were just like any other piece of paperwork. As far as the family was concerned, the agreement that Old Man signed with the Cabinet Secretary over the transcripts does not mention anything about the transcripts being Official Secrets. Otherwise, they would have been stamped with "Secret" chop, and would have been under lock and key somewhere in a Ministry building. I think the estate was very surprised to learn that the judge designated them as documents under the OSA, because according to the judge, they were "politically sensitive". This is really bullshit as far as I am concerned, and it seems that the estate was railroaded and played out by the kangaroo judge.

Once the judge made the decision that they are covered under the OSA (something that is beyond his scope and qualification to do), the sister and brother were screwed, they were never going to get them back. This brings into question other interview transcripts that Old man had done. For example, when his biographer Alex Josey interviewed him for the books "Lee Kuan Yew - The Struggle for Singapore" and "Lee Kuan Yew - The Crucial Years", why weren't these interview transcripts also covered under the OSA? After all, Old Fart did make many political commentaries in those books. How come the books themselves as well as Alex Josey's transcripts were not covered under OSA?

By putting the interview transcripts under the OSA, it has prevented the estate from putting out a final book on Old Man. The transcripts can be mined for book material by a ghost writer, and put together as a series of thoughts and opinions. In the wake of Old man's death, any such book release from the estate from a new source like these transcripts would sell like hotcakes. This court decision has killed this potential line of revenues if the estate had wanted to do it. It seems to me that Wei Ling and Hsien Yang really got tekanned in this case by SIL.

Classification shd be the decision of the originator not anyone else. It is not for the judge to decide what classification that document shd be.

If LKY didnt classify it as Secret or Confidential, then it shd remain unclassified.

LWL and LHY can challenge the authority of the judge to classify LKY's document as Secret

 

[winnipegjets]

what are you going to do if you are family and become designated clutter clearer for ah gong's estate and cum across documents that reveal sordid details of certain dignitaries, foreign and domestic, that they are moles and double agents, who are greasing who, and who are being compromised and coerced or blackmailed? are you going to close an eye and hope no one finds out? or are you going to alert the proper authorities that sensitive documents are improperly secured in a private residence? if lives were to be lost or national security compromised or foreign relations suffer as a result of sensitive transcripts, albeit old and perhaps obsolete but nonetheless hush-hush, ending up in the wrong hands either through carelessness, burglary, espionage, theft, etc., sinkies would kpkb that the declutterer had failed to go the extra mile and prevent the mishap. the declutterer should be awarded a medal for thinking outside the box, going the extra mile, perhaps saving lives being compromised in the transcripts, preserving good relations with foreign cuntries, and preventing unnecessary embarassment to sg. this kind of unselfish initiative only goes to show what a great person of exemplary character the declutterer is. you can be rest assured that sg is in good hands.

You think she didn't make a copy for herself first?

 

[eatshitndie]

You think she didn't make a copy for herself first?

that's speculation on your part. you need to ask her.

 

[winnipegjets]

that's speculation on your part. you need to ask her.

Knowing her, she would ...she could blackmail the foreign leaders.

 

[greedy and cunning]

what s all the commo tion.

y would anyone , besides johntan , psychopaths , sociopaths , sycophants and hypocrites,
be interested in some papers owned/written by a narcissistic person

do these papers reveal the deadly art of fighting with a knuckle duster ?
or the stealthy procedures to amass great wealth ?
or the subtle technique of suppression of freedom and right ?
do these papers contain anecdotes of above ?

if answer is NO ,
then i say throw them into the dustbin.

 

[eatshitndie]

Knowing her, she would ...she could blackmail the foreign leaders.

if you wish to speculate more, what if there is evidence about collusion with the judiciary (judges) to fix the oppo? or the revelation that indeed compliant moles are inserted in the oppo camps such as wayangers in the wayang party? or certain oppos are bought and paid handsomely? it may prove to be more damaging for oppos as one way or another they are full of moles, compromised and corrupted double agents. like many sinkies, you can't and won't be able to deal with the truth. many will jump into marina bay.

 

[Papsmearer]

what s all the commo tion.

y would anyone , besides johntan , psychopaths , sociopaths , sycophants and hypocrites,
be interested in some papers owned/written by a narcissistic person

do these papers reveal the deadly art of fighting with a knuckle duster ?
or the stealthy procedures to amass great wealth ?
or the subtle technique of suppression of freedom and right ?
do these papers contain anecdotes of above ?

if answer is NO ,
then i say throw them into the dustbin.

This papers
could reveal many things. Maybe Old fart signed a secret military treaty with Brunei, whereby he committed the SAF to come to the defence of Brunei if it was ever to be invaded by Malaysia or Indonesia. Do you not think this is something that should be made known to sinkies? Your outlook is very shortsighted. The govt is trying to guard these transcripts with their lives. Why?

 

[Papsmearer]

if you wish to speculate more, what if there is evidence about collusion with the judiciary (judges) to fix the oppo? or the revelation that indeed compliant moles are inserted in the oppo camps such as wayangers in the wayang party? or certain oppos are bought and paid handsomely? it may prove to be more damaging for oppos as one way or another they are full of moles, compromised and corrupted double agents. like many sinkies, you can't and won't be able to deal with the truth. many will jump into marina bay.

This is very possible. Its possible that Old fart admitted he had the oppo under surveillance and planted bugs in their homes, like harbans singh had revealed. It might be possible many damaging things were said on the transcripts. U know Old fart is damn arrogant. When he prognosticate to minnows, he thinks he is the oracle of Delphi. What he said is gospel truth, and he might have let slip something that he did not think was a big deal. But it actually is.

 

[eatshitndie]

This is very possible. Its possible that Old fart admitted he had the oppo under surveillance and planted bugs in their homes, like harbans singh had revealed. It might be possible many damaging things were said on the transcripts. U know Old fart is damn arrogant. When he prognosticate to minnows, he thinks he is the oracle of Delphi. What he said is gospel truth, and he might have let slip something that he did not think was a big deal. But it actually is.

you're on to something. happen to know aye-ass-dee technicians who are trained in bug-planting and bug-sweeping. they send these techs to sillycon valley to pick up courses on bugging the shit out of everyone with minimal emf signatures, but usually they target domestic troublemakers and foreign guests.

 

[Papsmearer]

Classification shd be the decision of the originator not anyone else. It is not for the judge to decide what classification that document shd be.

If LKY didnt classify it as Secret or Confidential, then it shd remain unclassified.

LWL and LHY can challenge the authority of the judge to classify LKY's document as Secret

yes this, can definitely be done. I had to look up the entire OSA to figure this whole thing out.

Firstly, the OSA states that the govt is the one that determines what is covered and what is not covered under the OSA. And it specifically mentions such organizations like MINDEF that can designate what is a secret and what is not. It does not say that members of the cabinet or the prime minister (the executive branch of govt) can classify OSA documents, nor does it say the Parliament is allowed to do this (the legislative branch of govt) and most certainly, no the judges (the judicial branch of govt.) This makes sense when you consider that policticians and legislators come and go and judges do not have the expertise or qualification to determine what is a secret. If some intelligence unit at MINDEF says this is secret, then it s the right entity to make that decision. In this case, this kangaroo judge Tay is making new law as he goes along. I believe anything considered secret has to be gazetted too.

In any case, there is no statute in the OSA that says the judge is the one who determines it . Yet Judge Tay ruled on it saying the transcripts are covered under the OSA. He is not authorized by law to do that. Secondly, any offences under the OSA are tried at the District Court level. And Tay is an appellate Judge in the High Court. Therefore, before this appeal even comes in front of him, it has must be already clear cut that the OSA is involved and it should be the district court judge to make the decision on it. But yet, the status of the transcripts regarding whether they are OSA material or not was not determined at the District level and was determined by him. This fucking kangaroo judges really make things up as they go along.

Jurisdiction of District Court17A. Notwithstanding any provision to the contrary in the Criminal Procedure Code (Cap. 68), a District Court shall have jurisdiction to try any offence under this Act and shall have power to impose the full penalty or punishment in respect of the offence.


The fact is that the interviews were given by Old fart to the Oral History Department. LOL. Unless the Oral History Department is suddenly a secret department of the ISD, MINDEF, SPF or some other super duper intelligence unit, its simply the most harmless department you will find out there. Given that such an innocuous organization did the interviews, then what is the judge saying? That the Oral History Department might be in possession of other materials covered under the OSA unbeknownst to it? what if the Oral History Department also interviewed Goh keng Swee, rajaratnam, and Hon Sui Sen before they all died. Are their interviews also under OSA? See how fucking ridiculous this stupid judge is? His instructions from Shan are clear. "Come up with any cockamimi excuse you can find and kill this appeal by the estate". Of course, Shan got his instructions from gay Loong. And Gay Loong got his instructions from Whore Jinx.

 

[Papsmearer]

you're on to something. happen to know aye-ass-dee technicians who are trained in bug-planting and bug-sweeping. they send these techs to sillycon valley to pick up courses on bugging the shit out of everyone with minimal emf signatures, but usually they target domestic troublemakers and foreign guests.

This has been going on for a long time. They have a carnivore type program for ages now. Alot of their equipment and training is conducted and bought from the Israelis and trained by the Mossad. The US also adds to this. All their surveillance and spy activities are directed inwards on its own citizens. that is why they could not find mas selamat because he was outside the country. Also, the JI plot to kill american sailors at Changi Naval base was discovered by US forces in Pakistan.

 

[eatshitndie]

This has been going on for a long time. They have a carnivore type program for ages now. Alot of their equipment and training is conducted and bought from the Israelis and trained by the Mossad. The US also adds to this. All their surveillance and spy activities are directed inwards on its own citizens. that is why they could not find mas selamat because he was outside the country. Also, the JI plot to kill american sailors at Changi Naval base was discovered by US forces in Pakistan.

their "sister" division in mindef (they are in mha) with similar but swapped initials are not impressive either. if supposedly experienced analysts preparing reports on foreign events can mix up khartoum with cartoon and addis ababa with alibaba (and the forty thieves), it says a lot about a host of other dosiers. don't know whether to laugh or cry with the quality of content produced there. chio kah peng.

 

[cuckoldoolittle]

This has been going on for a long time. They have a carnivore type program for ages now. Alot of their equipment and training is conducted and bought from the Israelis and trained by the Mossad. The US also adds to this. All their surveillance and spy activities are directed inwards on its own citizens. that is why they could not find mas selamat because he was outside the country. Also, the JI plot to kill american sailors at Changi Naval base was discovered by US forces in Pakistan.

More like using their skills and equipment to enrich and sexisfy themselves by zeroing in on those horse-racing tips, kelong tips, 4D tips and milf sexual conversations.

 

[Papsmearer]

More like using their skills and equipment to enrich and sexisfy themselves by zeroing in on those horse-racing tips, kelong tips, 4D tips and milf sexual conversations.

Yep, every night they hear all the oppo leaders humping. But what is especially arousing to them is to hear Roy and his boyfriend humping, because being the homos they are, that is what turns them on. Also, when little boy Amos shoots airplanes, they also shooting with him in their listening booth.

 

[Papsmearer]

their "sister" division in mindef (they are in mha) with similar but swapped initials are not impressive either. if supposedly experienced analysts preparing reports on foreign events can mix up khartoum with cartoon and addis ababa with alibaba (and the forty thieves), it says a lot about a host of other dosiers. don't know whether to laugh or cry with the quality of content produced there. chio kah peng.

i have personally met some of these ISD chaps. basically, they are thugs and gangster with the badge. They are not hired for their intellect, but for their intimidation.