Casino gambling fall in here!!!

[silverfox@]

That means beside 4 decks and 6 decks,
all blackjack rules are the same in RWS and MBS?
Liddat play at RWS more advantage by a little bit
bcos lesser decks.
Tio Bo?

If they are using shuffling machine, the difference can't be felt whether using 4 deck or 6 deck.

But MBS is stand on all 17. RWS is hit on soft 17.

 

[silverfox@]

Silverfox,

What is your comment on below blackjack cheatsheet link? What advice you will not take from this cheatsheet in your opinion ?

http://blackjackdoc.com/files/blackjack-cheatsheet.pdf

The card count systems like Hi-Lo OptI Opt II is no longer applicable in casinos where they use shuffling machines.

 

[aurvandil]

Every 6 months or so, Genting will organise a gala night during the low peak season. These gala nights offer very good value for money.

The upcoming gala night is 28/6 to 29/6.

http://www.rwgenting.com/en/casino/events/2010/2010_premium_pgm_vivanight.htm

By buying just RM 3088 worth of nn chips, you get

1) Deluxe room for 2 with breakfast (upgrade to Highland room for the 1st 100 customers)
2) 8 course dinner with show

If you have gone before, you will find the dinner is really quite good and easily worth more than $100. If you book early and manage to get a Highlands room, the value of the package will easily top $400.

Assuming you are not there to gamble seriously, all you need to do is use the nn chips to play and keep all the cash chips you win. When the nn chips run out, you cash in the cash chips.

Also, Genting tends to use these packages to try and identify potential high rollers. After you buy 1 such package, you can expect invitations to all sort of special events reserved for VIPs.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

This month Genting also organise tournaments like Carribbean Stud Poker, Roulette and Baccarat Challenge

 

[silverfox@]

This month Genting also organise tournaments like Carribbean Stud Poker, Roulette and Baccarat Challenge

Genting have a lot of these tournaments. Actually Carribbean Stud Poker is a game without skills unlike Texas Hold Em Poker. I feel only Texas Hold Em Poker tournament is worth to join.

 

[silverfox@]

This month Genting also organise tournaments like Carribbean Stud Poker, Roulette and Baccarat Challenge

Genting have a lot of these tournaments. Actually Carribbean Stud Poker is a game without skills unlike Texas Hold Em Poker. I feel only Texas Hold Em Poker tournament is worth to join.

 

[sg4dlive]

When you have 7+3 and dealer has K for Blackjack, should you double down ?

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Genting have a lot of these tournaments. Actually Carribbean Stud Poker is a game without skills unlike Texas Hold Em Poker. I feel only Texas Hold Em Poker tournament is worth to join.

Ya I do agree.. Texas Hold Em is very popular game in USA and their tournament do go live on national TV. There is once I am working in Fremont California, my US co-worker did took part in Texa Hold Em tournament orgainsed by one of casino in Las Vega. I am invited fly over to support him.

But too bad he got knocked out in the 2nd round

I think for Asians the popular game are still Baccarat :p

 

[LauMeng]

When you have 7+3 and dealer has K for Blackjack, should you double down ?

Don’t double on a 10 if the dealer shows a 10 and above. So in this case, if the dealer shows a K, then it is advisable not to double.

 

[aurvandil]

Genting have a lot of these tournaments. Actually Carribbean Stud Poker is a game without skills unlike Texas Hold Em Poker. I feel only Texas Hold Em Poker tournament is worth to join.

Texas Hold Em are poor tournaments to join as these are fun and popular. You therefore usually have a lot of people taking part.

The best tournaments to join are those which are are unpopular and held during the low season. My own personl experience is that this is usually roulette.

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Casino gaming are still infant industry in Singapore.

So when can we see MBS & RWS organising such tournaments

 

[silverfox@]

Texas Hold Em are poor tournaments to join as these are fun and popular. You therefore usually have a lot of people taking part.

The best tournaments to join are those which are are unpopular and held during the low season. My own personl experience is that this is usually roulette.

Actually to join such tournaments is to pit wits and skills among other players, that's why I think only Texas Hold Em Poker is worth joining. Of course being that its very popular.

If just want to win money alone, can just play on the casino floor, so many games to choose, no need to compete too.

Casino gaming are still infant industry in Singapore.

So when can we see MBS & RWS organising such tournaments

Probably next year? :p

 

[aurvandil]

If just want to win money alone, can just play on the casino floor, so many games to choose, no need to compete too.

If you play against the casino, the house edge is fixed and you can never win.

If you play in a tournament, your odds depend on the number of people who take part. Your chances to win are obviously larger when 10 people take part versus 50 people take part.

On wits on skill, there is no wits and skill for games like roulette and baccarat. So all you need is to find one where the prize is good and not many people are playing.

 

[silverfox@]

If you play against the casino, the house edge is fixed and you can never win.

If you try telling that to my friend who plays blackjack very well, he will tell you he can win 8 out of 10 times. Maybe you don't believe, but he has already won more than $800K RM from Genting malaysia for the past 2 years. You can put it to his luck, or his fengshui or whatever reasons you can think of, but if you think you can never do it, you will never do it. Before you step into a casino and you think you are not going to win due to house edge, then does it look stupid on your side to still be going into casinos or just want to go into casino and help sponsor the tables, chairs and croupiers' pay?
If you think can't win, why do you still ask people to go and change NN chips? Change NN chips just for that 1% more?

If you play in a tournament, your odds depend on the number of people who take part. Your chances to win are obviously larger when 10 people take part versus 50 people take part.

On wits on skill, there is no wits and skill for games like roulette and baccarat. So all you need is to find one where the prize is good and not many people are playing.

If there are 100 people joining and to join unpopular tournaments like roulette or baccarat (with no wits and skills like what you said), your chance of winning is 1%. 1 out of 100. Doesn't this make your odds of winning even lesser than the casino house edge? If there are not many people playing, they wouldn't even start a tournament. Please, Genting have organised such tournaments for years, every year ask me to join, so many people join also. When there are such events, I don't even want to go and crowd with them

There are many international tournaments on Texas Hold Em Poker and this game is not played against the house but against fellow players. Players play and engage in psychological warfare, probability. A game where you need to use your brain to win.

 

[aurvandil]

If you try telling that to my friend who plays blackjack very well, he will tell you he can win 8 out of 10 times. Maybe you don't believe, but he has already won more than $800K RM from Genting malaysia for the past 2 years. You can put it to his luck, or his fengshui or whatever reasons you can think of, but if you think you can never do it, you will never do it.

That sounds exaggerated. If you have technique where you win 8 out of 10 times, your play will be analyzed by the casino. Even if they cannot figure it out, you will be banned for advantage play. When there were manual shoes and you could count cards, the edge was much lower and you still get banned.

If you think can't win, why do you still ask people to go and change NN chips? Change NN chips just for that 1% more?

Assuming you play PERFECT BASIC, that small 1% edge translates into positive expectations game. For every $1 mil you bet, you can expect to win $2000.

If there are 100 people joining and to join unpopular tournaments like roulette or baccarat (with no wits and skills like what you said), your chance of winning is 1%. 1 out of 100. Doesn't this make your odds of winning even lesser than the casino house edge? If there are not many people playing, they wouldn't even start a tournament. Please, Genting have organised such tournaments for years, every year ask me to join, so many people join also. When there are such events, I don't even want to go and crowd with them

There are many international tournaments on Texas Hold Em Poker and this game is not played against the house but against fellow players. Players play and engage in psychological warfare, probability. A game where you need to use your brain to win.

Playing Texas Hold Em at a professional level is a skill beyond that of most common gamblers. It is only arrogance to think that you are better than everyone and have an edge at such a tournament, even a small one at Genting.

 

[silverfox@]

That sounds exaggerated. If you have technique where you win 8 out of 10 times, your play will be analyzed by the casino. Even if they cannot figure it out, you will be banned for advantage play. When there were manual shoes and you could count cards, the edge was much lower and you still get banned.

Genting Malaysia knows how much he won, every time he won, he would convert his winnings into cheque. They will verify with the amounts you bet so that no money laundering. Not only do they still allow him to play, they extend more invitations. Free rooms in Highland Hotel, Free $3000nn chips given free for roulette play. They will ask him to redeem the thousands of GP points in his worldcard for limousine and when he reached, they will give him extra few hundred. Genting not stupid. They follow on 1 philosophy. You win nevermind, only scared you don't go. As long as you go, they have the chance to win back the money. You don't go, they will never have a chance. They even ask him why don't go again, he said he is busy in singapore. Of course the casinos know his choice would be sg casinos. His next trip will be mid june. He goes on an average of once every 1-2 months.

Assuming you play PERFECT BASIC, that small 1% edge translates into positive expectations game. For every $1 mil you bet, you can expect to win $2000.

Does your definition of PERFECT BASIC ask you to SURRENDER?

Playing Texas Hold Em at a professional level is a skill beyond that of most common gamblers. It is only arrogance to think that you are better than everyone and have an edge at such a tournament, even a small one at Genting.

Is there any insinuation here that playing Texas Hold Em Poker in a tournament is an act of arrogance and think that better than everyone?

Joining such a tournament is to know how good your skills are.
If not why do people join mahjong tournaments, poker tournaments?
Btw, every Texas Hold Em Professional Poker players start off with being a new player learning the rules like everyone else. It is a game that requires skills and wits even if you are a new player.

 

[aurvandil]

Genting Malaysia knows how much he won, every time he won, he would convert his winnings into cheque. They will verify with the amounts you bet so that no money laundering. Not only do they still allow him to play, they extend more invitations. Free rooms in Highland Hotel, Free $3000nn chips given free for roulette play. They will ask him to redeem the thousands of GP points in his worldcard for limousine and when he reached, they will give him extra few hundred. Genting not stupid. They follow on 1 philosophy. You win nevermind, only scared you don't go. As long as you go, they have the chance to win back the money. You don't go, they will never have a chance. They even ask him why don't go again, he said he is busy in singapore. Of course the casinos know his choice would be sg casinos. His next trip will be mid june. He goes on an average of once every 1-2 months.

I think you are confusing high roller who has one of two lucky days with a person who is engaged in advantage play.

If you are the first, the casino will welcome you with open arms.

If you are the second, the casino will ban you.

Those same monitoring tools which allowed Heartbreak Kid to recover his money also allow for detailed analysis of unusual betting activity. If there is anything at all to your friend's technique, they would have banned him.

Contrary to what you say, the casinos don't welcome everyone with open arms. The casinos have a shared blacklist of punters who are banned. Surely you must have read about this in the numerous blackjack books you bought. Don't they all emphasise on the need to keep a low profile when counting cards against a manual shoe? Did any book advise you to max out on your Genting pts (so the casinos can track you) or to swagger around in the high limit area where casinos survelliance is the heaviest? Card counting might no longer apply but those techniques to avoid being noticed if you have an advantage play still apply.

So if Genting is offering limosines, rooms, nn chips etc, it probably means your friend is just an ordinary high roller. Maybe he exaggerated on his blackjack wins as many gamblers like to brag about just how good they are. Most times, they only remember the times they win and forget about the times they lose.

 

[aurvandil]

Is there any insinuation here that playing Texas Hold Em Poker in a tournament is an act of arrogance and think that better than everyone?

I am advising you to be realistic here. An amateur who plays against a professional poker player has close to 0 chance of wnning when playing over a protracted time. An analogy would be an amateur golfer playing against a pro PGA golfer. The skill differential is such that there is almost no chance of victory.

As such if you are normal gambler, you would do much better playing "stupid" games that are all luck and no skill. if you want to improve your chances are winning, you simply find a game with a good prize and not many people playing.

 

[silverfox@]

I think you are confusing high roller who has one of two lucky days with a person who is engaged in advantage play.

If you are the first, the casino will welcome you with open arms.

If you are the second, the casino will ban you.

Those same monitoring tools which allowed Heartbreak Kid to recover his money also allow for detailed analysis of unusual betting activity. If there is anything at all to your friend's technique, they would have banned him.

My friend is not a whale betting at few hundred K a hand. At genting, per hand is $500 slowly move up to $2-3K ringgit. Each time could play max per table $10K up because playing 5 bases. Over the years, he clocked more than $800K ringgit. There is no more card counting already. I think you got to wake up to this issue. They are using Shuffler Master 126 machines. Please go and read up. I think you really very long never go Genting already. He doesn't need to cheat the casino. Sorry to disappoint you on this. You have a mindset that keep thinking Basic Strategy and Perfect Basic Strategy and think that there is no other alternatives. You don't surrender when you have 12, but he does. So what is wrong with this technique. Maybe the casino think his technique doesn't make sense but who cares if it wins in a casino and not on paper. Do you mean to say if his technique is winning and there is no cheating, they ban him? If that is the case, you might as well quit going to casinos. Because the casino only wants to win and doesn't want to lose.

Contrary to what you say, the casinos don't welcome everyone with open arms. The casinos have a shared blacklist of punters who are banned. Surely you must have read about this in the numerous blackjack books you bought. Don't they all emphasise on the need to keep a low profile when counting cards against a manual shoe? Did any book advise you to max out on your Genting pts (so the casinos can track you) or to swagger around in the high limit area where casinos survelliance is the heaviest? Card counting might no longer apply but those techniques to avoid being noticed if you have an advantage play still apply.

Maybe you should really take some time and walk around the casinos. There is no more manual shoe. There is no more counting that can be done on blackjack. Please do not stay in the same years as the MIT students who raided the casinos in Vegas. There are blacklists of people who are bankrupts from playing in casinos, cheating, conning. But if legitimate ways are applied in winning the casino, what reason to use in banning? My friend learnt his blackjack skills from an ex-junket in cruise ships. His teacher said, you can bet in land casinos, but don't play in cruise casinos. Experience and reasons not known to many. You will never win consistently from cruise ships because they are small setups and are unlike big land casinos.

So if Genting is offering limosines, rooms, nn chips etc, it probably means your friend is just an ordinary high roller. Maybe he exaggerated on his blackjack wins as many gamblers like to brag about just how good they are. Most times, they only remember the times they win and forget about the times they lose.

$800K ringgit over 2 years, 1 month once, avg about win $30+K ringgit a time. This is not exaggerating at all if you bet around $500 slowly move up to $2k. It's only 10+ units and playing 5 bases.

If I play 5 bases, 1 base $2k, 5 base $10K. Dealer bust 2 hands consecutive, I am up by $20K.
If you are playing 1 base slowly, 1 time $2k, you can slowly play to hit $30K.

You never seen doesn't mean it never happens.

 

[silverfox@]

I am advising you to be realistic here. An amateur who plays against a professional poker player has close to 0 chance of wnning when playing over a protracted time. An analogy would be an amateur golfer playing against a pro PGA golfer. The skill differential is such that there is almost no chance of victory.

As such if you are normal gambler, you would do much better playing "stupid" games that are all luck and no skill. if you want to improve your chances are winning, you simply find a game with a good prize and not many people playing.

Ok let you win. You want to join which tournament just go and join. Others want to join which tournament let them go and join. You want to win money, they want to see how good their poker skills are against other players. To each their own.

If you win a tournament and get a prize, good for you. I don't want to waste more saliva talking on this tournament thing.