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if it is good they wont recommend us, for eg we are not allow to use our laptop or digital diary when on their table, just imagine if this is allowed, silverfox will be so happy:smile:)

Actually, I use the calculator function on my phone to do some basic calculations. If they ban ppl on that, then I got to find some other ways to do calculations:o
 

sohbuckkong

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I just wonder how many Singaporeans play online.

How about you? do you play online? Care to share with us your experience and thoughts on online casinos.
 

silverfox@

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I just wonder how many Singaporeans play online.

How about you? do you play online? Care to share with us your experience and thoughts on online casinos.

Play in Genting,
1st card out of shoe, if 8, will burn 8 cards. If 5, will burn 5 cards.
Then after every hand, burn 1 hand. Genting is very strict on card burning. There was once a dealer burn a card right after the shoe was shuffled (which already had 5 cards burnt). Had to stop game and cards re-adjusted

In Leisureworld, I see them burn 1st card after shuffle, and every hand burn 1 card

Online, they only burn 1st card. After that no burn. From my estimation, should be about 7 decks since they don't burn cards.

Play online no need involve cash chips. While on table, involvement of chips, time taken to deal cards is longer.

I have this finding which does not have any calculation but based on observation. I realised that after the 30th hand of a shoe, its easier to get long streaks. But if Banker open buy banker or player open buy player will still lose money due to the change in movement. BPBP will easily lose 3 units just like that. So that is why buying one side will lose less.

Let's say in card counting,

A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, J, Q, K are cards that might enable Banker not to draw 3rd card after Player has drawn.
Normally if Player need to draw 3rd card, they are disadvantage.

So how to calculate when does Player need to draw 3rd card?
From here have to calculate backwards

on all the possible first 2 cards scenarios.

After doing that, will realise that if in the Deck, there are more A, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, J, Q, K, player have a higher chance to draw 3rd card.

But hor, hold your horses, there is a flaw.

If these cards are in abundance in the deck, by right we should bet on Banker, because these cards will cause player to draw a 3rd card. However the flaw will be also be on Banker as it will also start having to draw 3rd cards.
So this actually levels out both side chances.

Is there really no way to do on card counting? Not really.

Again, we have to do calculation backwards on every 2 cards scenario and we will realise out of 169 combinations of first 2 cards, there are 64 combinations which do not require player to draw 3rd card. This relates to approx 38%
Whether Banker draws card or not, depends solely on their first 2 numbers and what is the 3rd card that Player drew.

However in a shoe of 60 hands, its funny to find that the percentage of natural situations will be around 40%. Even after 20 shoes, will realise that it is not hard to find that percentage not hovering too far beyond 40%. Why is this so? This is due to the card numbers. That is why I believed in card counting to make betting on Banker more advantageous. :p

A lot of people based on essence of luck, yes, whatever it is, need a bit of luck, plus the situation must be at least favourable.

Banker open or Player open is 50/50, I think it would be more advantageous to wait for Banker at higher percentage of opening at 55% or 60% or even more before acting. At least by then betting on Banker is easier to hit.

I give a big clue which is card counting doesn't mean you have to count the numbers on the cards, but instead the number of cards that are already out. However, its not wise to count till the end of the shoe, its always better and easier to count from start to halfway. Because only about 150 to 180 cards involved, rather than count through 416 cards.
 

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I give a big clue which is card counting doesn't mean you have to count the numbers on the cards, but instead the number of cards that are already out. However, its not wise to count till the end of the shoe, its always better and easier to count from start to halfway. Because only about 150 to 180 cards involved, rather than count through 416 cards.
Bro,

Very the chim. :confused:

But sounds very logical. :biggrin:
 

justl00king

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Whenever there are dragons, be it player, banker,dingdong, etc..... the people will win. Generally, most people bet according to trends.
Then why only bet banker and let the player dragon run away? :confused:

Understand that the chances of opening banker may be slightly higher given the percentage, rather than wait or skip those player hands why not bet a little on player as well?
 

silverfox@

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Then why only bet banker and let the player dragon run away? :confused:

Understand that the chances of opening banker may be slightly higher given the percentage, rather than wait or skip those player hands why not bet a little on player as well?

Actually I just need to ask, how long do you think the Player dragon will run?

No one can answer this question up till this date.

If next Banker come along, how do you determine its going to be a dragon or not going be a dragon?

Most people play via see Player open, buy Player, see Banker open, buy Banker, I was thinking if this method works, the casino would have closed down, because virtually 50% of gamblers who play baccarat use this method. :biggrin:
 

sohbuckkong

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.........
Most people play via see Player open, buy Player, see Banker open, buy Banker, I was thinking if this method works, the casino would have closed down, because virtually 50% of gamblers who play baccarat use this method. :biggrin:

my guess is that at least 80% use the see what play what method. When I sat with these people, usually I last the longest in the table, 1 by 1 I see them get up and go home. Because I play banker all the time, my game is quite drawish henceforth I clock a lot of turnover.
 

sohbuckkong

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Then why only bet banker and let the player dragon run away? :confused:

if I know that player is going to open next, of course I will bet player. Many times when we see dragons we say wahhhhh,some even went to argue with their friends and say "there! I told you". so whats going to open next I dont know but I do know that if I bet banker, I am on the upper hand.
 

silverfox@

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Then why only bet banker and let the player dragon run away? :confused:

if I know that player is going to open next, of course I will bet player. Many times when we see dragons we say wahhhhh,some even went to argue with their friends and say "there! I told you". so whats going to open next I dont know but I do know that if I bet banker, I am on the upper hand.

My friend always tell me, see those people so smart, if they so smart to predict TIE or PLAYER or BANKER, he sure bet to table max.

If got TIE, bet $5000, get $40000
If know got player, banker pair, whack $5000 on each side. Total $55K on each side.

Suddenly Baccarat play seems so easy. 2 hands and whala, you get $150K

But all these is just talk and if someone can guarantee next hand is Player, I also sure bet all my money and snowball.:o
 

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I was at Leisure World yesterday at about 1.30pm playing Baccarat. There was this bespectacled gentleman age abt 40+ betting $500 to $1000 per bet. I observed him for a while and followed him when he betted. Not bad... won a few hundred dollars. But this guy disappeared after winning a few rounds.... from my estimation, he probably 'siam' after winning a few thousand dollars....

Must watch out for this guy in future.... :smile:
 

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Just something which I like to share with those who like to play online

Betfair has this zero roulette, zero baccarat, zero blackjack
http://casino.betfair.com/

It's not live dealer, but based on RNG(Random Number Generator) For those who like to play base on computer generated results could try as the house edge is reduced.

For me, I don't play games based on RNG.:o

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If the zero lounge doesn't have the game that you want to play, visit the Betfair main lounge. The main lounge offers fantastic player bonuses and unbeatable offers only available to Betfair Casino customers.

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sohbuckkong

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.......

It's not live dealer, but based on RNG(Random Number Generator) For those who like to play base on computer generated results could try as the house edge is reduced.

For me, I don't play games based on RNG.:o

......egy.////
I know that different online casinos use different softwares. In my opinion whichever s/w used does not make much differences for I do not believe that one could be more random than the other. Even if technically, one can be more random than the other, it is negligible.

In online casinos, reputation is more important because there are many online casinos that cheat, using many different methods to cheat.

In my opinion , those licenced in UK, australia should be ok.
 

Uncle2

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How many rounds did you follow him. Care to share his methods.

Can't really tell his method.... must admit that he is damn accurate. Somehow, I keep seeing him collect money from banker.

I went to get a drink after 30 minutes and when I came back, he siam already.... I ended up playing See-Kee-Puay with some Ah Pehs and won another $500....
 

alvin36

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Just something which I like to share with those who like to play online

Betfair has this zero roulette, zero baccarat, zero blackjack
http://casino.betfair.com/


thanks bro silverfox for the website... I tried a few times today, it was fun.

I lost 30% after about 30 games... if i play by feeling, that means, sometimes PLAYER and sometimes BANKER :(

But when I every hand bet BANKER... equant amount... after 30 games.. i won about 20-30%

BANKER is definitely more advantage
 

silverfox@

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I know that different online casinos use different softwares. In my opinion whichever s/w used does not make much differences for I do not believe that one could be more random than the other. Even if technically, one can be more random than the other, it is negligible.

In online casinos, reputation is more important because there are many online casinos that cheat, using many different methods to cheat.

In my opinion , those licenced in UK, australia should be ok.
hi bro,
Not trying to disagree, your reasons could be right, but I have some concerns.

There is a slight difference in house edge between using 1 deck and 8 deck of cards. That is why I don't believe in RNG. RNG as its name says is random. That would probably mean that every hand would be independent of the previous as the cards are like shuffled every game.

I have always believed in the number of cards left in a deck which would favour Banker in the next few situations.

Yes, I agree with you, many online casinos have reputation in cheating. But not all casinos are like this.
I wouldn't say all China websites are like that, but you think of the kinds of things they put in dairy products, substandard construction materials for buildings, and plus bad repu, even the China boys are not playing at their own casinos, best not to try them.

Licensed in UK and UK biggest 2 are William Hill and Ladbrokes. They are like the Singapore Pools of UK. They are legal and regulated and they have to go through audit checks. In a normal casino, its already not easy to win money, so most of the time there is no need for a big fledge casino to resort to cheating, unless the casino is off shore or small time(where they do not have the customer flow) then that would be their biggest problem if that few customers win and they do not have people to lose to them.

That is also why some small time casinos in Macau are closing because not many are playing.
 

Natural Nine

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Can't really tell his method.... must admit that he is damn accurate. Somehow, I keep seeing him collect money from banker.

I went to get a drink after 30 minutes and when I came back, he siam already.... I ended up playing See-Kee-Puay with some Ah Pehs and won another $500....




I was in LW today. Just reach home. At about 7.30pm i was at the $20k table
limit table. The one that is right in the "centre" of the 7th floor. First time
I saw the young man asked his "junket" to cash out S$80k winnings for him.
He left about s$30k to S$50k chips behind for casual play. He was going at S$15k per hand...
 

silverfox@

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I was in LW today. Just reach home. At about 7.30pm i was at the $20k table
limit table. The one that is right in the "centre" of the 7th floor. First time
I saw the young man asked his "junket" to cash out S$80k winnings for him.
He left about s$30k to S$50k chips behind for casual play. He was going at S$15k per hand...

$15K per hand, means he wins about 5 times.

And of course, when he go onboard, I think he don't just bring $15K but at least should be $150K up:biggrin:
 

0939

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Would it be wise to play Martigale on baccarat, betting on Banker only. Since Banker have
the house edge.
 
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