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silverfox@

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i read somewhere it is mentioned that playing more holes is advantageous to player vs the house for BJ.

overall win meaning u got at least 1 credit win?
(e.g push/push/win or surrender/win/push ..etc)

almost impossible to have the table to urself unless in the really wee hrs or 6-7am in rws :(

Playing more holes is more advantageous in the sense that more chances of blackjack, more chances of double down, more chances of splits.

This are the 3 main reasons we have an edge over the house. If you play a very normal game, very very few blackjacks, not much chances of doubles, splits, would be a losing game on that day.

overall win means at least 1 credit win.

in MBS, it is very easy to find tables to play by yourself.

The sad part about playing blackjack is if you are playing blackjack in the long run, playing 1 hand against dealer will not win consistently.

if play 1 hand, 1 hour can have 50 hands being played.
if play 3 hands, 1 hour become 150hands being played. You don't need to spend 3 hours in a casino.
 

silverfox@

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my interpretation (silverfox bro, ur comments appreciated)
- capital 10credits, max loss set at 10credits
- banker bet
-> 1st bet 1credit, 1 credit win, next bet (not neccessary to be a consecutive bet but a dragon is inevitable sometimes :biggrin:)
-> 2nd bet 2credits, 2nd bet if win -> 3rd bet 3credits, 3rd bet if win, reset to 1credit.
-> the aim is to profit, exit when hitting a bad run with the winnings

any encounter with losses between 1st-3rd hand, start with 1 credit all over again
the point of entry for the 1st-3rd bet depend entirely on the player's experience and reading of the current shoe since we talking about Banker bet here.
i try to consolidate what silverfox bro had written in the past and post a summary on baccarat later this week.

Why not try place $100, win already place $150, win already place $220. This way gradual increase and always got some winnings in pocket. 50% increase. max 2 times increase.
 

dragon

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Playing more holes is more advantageous in the sense that more chances of blackjack, more chances of double down, more chances of splits.

This are the 3 main reasons we have an edge over the house. If you play a very normal game, very very few blackjacks, not much chances of doubles, splits, would be a losing game on that day.

overall win means at least 1 credit win.

in MBS, it is very easy to find tables to play by yourself.

The sad part about playing blackjack is if you are playing blackjack in the long run, playing 1 hand against dealer will not win consistently.

if play 1 hand, 1 hour can have 50 hands being played.
if play 3 hands, 1 hour become 150hands being played. You don't need to spend 3 hours in a casino.

i realise MBS some L1 table dealers really no "business" and the worse part is standing doing nothing. u go in the mid afternoon or late night i suppose?

150 hands in an hr, phew... must be $ rolling in if u can last an hr :smile:
for baccarat, 30-40 hands take an hr, sometimes i am not even up 2 units, sometimes smooth, 3 hands is gd to go
its see-saw up-down game, enjoyable at times.
usually a shoe end within 2 hrs.
silverfox bro, u r right about spending lesser time in casino, kinda intoxicating, u might lose that winning edge unknowingly
 

dragon

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Why not try place $100, win already place $150, win already place $220. This way gradual increase and always got some winnings in pocket. 50% increase. max 2 times increase.

thanks for ur suggestion bro

i am doing flat betting nowadays and slowly recouping previous losses

10 credits, with flat betting, depending on win-lose ratio
some days are shorter with a continuous gd run
some days are tiring, long hrs and ended in losses, sometimes impatience/false confidence override ur rational thinking
 

Jetzie

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bros and experts down here, i need some advice.

How do u all earn points and PD for table games @ MBS? Well i started playing table games recently, i know i have to give my card to the dealer and after that i can continue playing where i will earn pts and PD right?

But how come the pts really go up damn slowly????
I played in several tables for almost the whole day 7hrs + but when i went back i checked my pts, i only accumulated 8 pts for the whole damn day! wtf!

Can anyone of u experts here lend me some good advice or ways to rake my pds up?

thank you..
 

silverfox@

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i realise MBS some L1 table dealers really no "business" and the worse part is standing doing nothing. u go in the mid afternoon or late night i suppose?

150 hands in an hr, phew... must be $ rolling in if u can last an hr :smile:
for baccarat, 30-40 hands take an hr, sometimes i am not even up 2 units, sometimes smooth, 3 hands is gd to go
its see-saw up-down game, enjoyable at times.
usually a shoe end within 2 hrs.
silverfox bro, u r right about spending lesser time in casino, kinda intoxicating, u might lose that winning edge unknowingly

I mostly go in the night. Less people and weather cooler.

If if you want something faster, play rapid baccarat. You can toggle your bets on monitor screen as its live dealer also. 1 hr should clear 50-60 hands.

The see-saw up down is a normal scenario. Sometimes play 1 hour or play 10hours also no difference. If play 1 hour win 2 credits, doesn't mean play 10hours win 20 credits.
 

silverfox@

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bros and experts down here, i need some advice.

How do u all earn points and PD for table games @ MBS? Well i started playing table games recently, i know i have to give my card to the dealer and after that i can continue playing where i will earn pts and PD right?

But how come the pts really go up damn slowly????
I played in several tables for almost the whole day 7hrs + but when i went back i checked my pts, i only accumulated 8 pts for the whole damn day! wtf!

Can anyone of u experts here lend me some good advice or ways to rake my pds up?

thank you..

I seldom check my pts because I don't stay long hours. Try not to table hop, and for $25 table should be min 2 pts an hour. So if you want more pts, go to higher limit table. Once the colour of your card gets upgraded, the allotment for PD will increase.
But this is not a major issue. Major issue is still to win money out from casino. :p
 

longlicky

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Hi All!

Forgot to mention. Please and appreciate your wishes for me....

to win in an invited Baccarat Tournament in Manila Resort World. Start Friday afternoon and end at Sat afternoon.

1st prize is HKD 4mln. as long enter final HKD 100k at least.

Bro sliver fox. any tips on the tournament? how to lead and win ahead of others?

Cheers
 

silverfox@

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Hi All!

Forgot to mention. Please and appreciate your wishes for me....

to win in an invited Baccarat Tournament in Manila Resort World. Start Friday afternoon and end at Sat afternoon.

1st prize is HKD 4mln. as long enter final HKD 100k at least.

Bro sliver fox. any tips on the tournament? how to lead and win ahead of others?

Cheers

Baccarat and Roulette tournaments are unlike Poker tournaments. You don't need to be the best player to win Baccarat and Roulette tournaments. :p

But you need to strategise in such a way that your money is very close to theirs so that in the last few rounds, you can still keep up with them and nick as much money to end up at the top few. It isn't about winning your normal game because luck plays a big part during that limited time.
 

longlicky

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Baccarat and Roulette tournaments are unlike Poker tournaments. You don't need to be the best player to win Baccarat and Roulette tournaments. :p

But you need to strategise in such a way that your money is very close to theirs so that in the last few rounds, you can still keep up with them and nick as much money to end up at the top few. It isn't about winning your normal game because luck plays a big part during that limited time.

Reached Q-final. 6-7 per table and pick the top 2. Wish me luck. 1pm is the game!
 

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Hi All,

i read with interest all the exchanges on this board (and generally that FT bashing board :P).

just wanted to chip in, for interaction and share share.

doubling up on losses = martingale system
doubling up on winning = reverse martingale

as one of the bro here rightfully pointed out, table limits are in place exactly to counter such betting style.

but what got me thinking was if there will be a overall table limit for ALL bets taken on say the 5-10 punters on the same bet e.g. PLAYER ?

rightfully one should be able to double up beyond the bet-size limit through another punter who will hoot the exact max bet amount on the same bet ya?

of course, the pit boss would have picked up such multiple max bets soon enough and politely invite the ones invloved to move on to the high limits table.

and in such a case, the martingale system can be extended until the next level max bet is breached.

however, it takes balls to double up for the 10th time (on a losing streak) even if starting on a $100 ante even if that's only 10% of bankroll. so me thinks reverse martingale is still less stressful.


on a side-note, i believe that luck plays a big big part in this whole "beat-the-house" holy grail thing. therefore whenever i am able to convince myself to cough up $100 for single entry in either of the 2 IRs in town, it's the usual "3 consecutive losses at the table game and i am done" routine. i know, not much kick but then again, i'm much too risk-averse or simply too detached to want to stay and fight back. without lady luck in my bed, i get pwned 11 times out of 10! :P


ok, nuff said. sorry for being long-winded.
for those who are interested and have not already know the resource, you may wanna refer to wizardofodds. c o m

in summary, the guru proved that blackjack is the game to play if one can play the perfect game. second to that i think it's baccarat but i may be wrong on this, please check/re-verify.

myself, i'd rather wait for either of the 2 IRs to start the poker room if and when they managed to convine themselves the potential takings are not as bad considering they are both not getting the target hands-per-hour on existing tables opened throughout the day. fingers X'ed. : )


meantime, may luck be with ya all!







Just a thinking,

You should increase bets when you win and reduce when you are losing.

Imagine if you can hit 5 winning streaks, you can also hit 5 losing streaks. So which way will be better?

As for double up when losing is effective only when the thrend is LWLWLWLWLWLWLWLW

A high percentage of Danger and problem gambling starts from doubling when losing.
 

longlicky

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Congrats!...any prize for Q-finalist? :p

Haha. dnt have. Only those in the final. 12 in final. Min also got 100K HKD, but im not in man. :smile:

Manila Resort world.

You can play both Peso or HKD.

Peso area min bet is 2000, then 5000. late night they will open 10000 bet table.

HKD floor is for really roller (min HKD 5000). And I saw PATRICK TZE 謝賢!
 

patrickv

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Haha. dnt have. Only those in the final. 12 in final. Min also got 100K HKD, but im not in man. :smile:

Manila Resort world.

You can play both Peso or HKD.

Peso area min bet is 2000, then 5000. late night they will open 10000 bet table.

HKD floor is for really roller (min HKD 5000). And I saw PATRICK TZE 謝賢!

many many years ago,

i saw 謝賢 and his daughter in a las vegas casino. :biggrin:

looks like he also regular.
 

atlantis

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Example if I play 3 holes, I aim for overall win.

1 hole 1 credit. 3 holes 3 credits. So as long as overall win I will increase 1 time, become 3 holes 6 credits. If overall win again, I will increase to 3 holes 9 credits. If lose, will revert back to 3 holes 3 credits.

example 1 credit is $100, increase is $200, increase is $300. Max to 3 times. No 4-5 credits per hole, because I have to take into consideration splits and double down after split.

If you play 3 credits on 1 hole and you have to split, sometimes can split 4 times and double down on another 2 more. 1 hole can see 6-7 credits easily.

Sometimes if dealer has 9 and I have 3 holes.
1st hole 20pts
2nd hole 19pts
3rd hole 14pts,
I will surrender 3rd hole, because 1st hole likely win, 2nd hole likely win or draw. 3rd hole is likely lose so surrender to lose less, get assured win of 1.5-2credits win instead of high chance of only winning 1 credit.

Been follow this thread for 1 year plus. I used to play bacarrat and now switch to blackjack using Silverfox method. I have been reading the blackjack rule and bro silverfox's posts for 2 months to understand the blackjack winning theory prior start on the table. :smile:

I went to MBS last weekend @ wee hours and found 1 table with less player. I brought 100 credits of $25 as my bank roll. My trigger point to stop loss is $350.

I'm more conservative when start the new type of game, so I just bet for 2 holes. Each hole $25 bet. I played 2 holes and the rest of holes occupied by the rest of the players.

During half an hour of playing, I do the surrender, doubling down and split if necessary. I don't double my bet either I win or lose the bet. I just play $25 per hole.

I won $400 and leave the table after I lost 2 hands on the roll. Went back home as a happy man.

Total lost 9 hands out of 25 hands during half and hour period. Hopefully I can gain more experience and confidence for the next round.

I agree with bro silverfox that is better to play in the control situation rather than other player ruin your oppurtunity. I lost few hands due to one of the player who sat at last hole, he simply drew the card even the dealer with weak card 3, 4, 5, 6 when he has 13, 14, 15 and 16. He dont play surrender rule.

Thanks bro silverfox to share his valuable experience with us.
 

silverfox@

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I agree with bro silverfox that is better to play in the control situation rather than other player ruin your oppurtunity. I lost few hands due to one of the player who sat at last hole, he simply drew the card even the dealer with weak card 3, 4, 5, 6 when he has 13, 14, 15 and 16. He dont play surrender rule.

Thanks bro silverfox to share his valuable experience with us.

I have a peeve against players who play the no-bust rule. That is when dealer has a strong card, they hit their cards to 12,13,14,15,16 and they just stop. I would walk away from that table if I find players doing this.

I know that players have this thinking that no bust means no lose yet. chips still on table and wait for dealer bust. But these people don't realise that when dealer has cards like 8,9,10,J,Q,K,A, the percentage of dealer busting is low. They fail to understand the fundamentals of blackjack and its very sickening to play on such a table.

If afraid to lose, in the 1st place don't step into casino. The local crowd in general are very poor in blackjack. They put their losing to bad luck but honestly if they can't understand the simple theory that drawing a card is better than just staying put in such situations, then they can't really blame bad luck.

Players who have that fear in losing already lost before they start playing
 

silverfox@

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During half an hour of playing, I do the surrender, doubling down and split if necessary. I don't double my bet either I win or lose the bet. I just play $25 per hole.

I won $400 and leave the table after I lost 2 hands on the roll. Went back home as a happy man.

That's a 16 credit win. Avg is around there for 30-1hr of game play.

If I see dealer has a 10 or 9, and I have 2 holes ( 1 is 20pts, the other is 17pts), I will surrender 17pts because 20pts is almost win in the bag, 17pts is neither here nor there. No one hits on this 17pts. Standing is not advantageous too. We have this misconception that dealer hits to 17 rule means 17 is a safe scenario, but we are wrong.

Dealer has 10, he draws 8,9,10,J,Q,K,A and total of 7 out of 13 scenarios are advantageous to Dealer. If draw 7 is draw. So left 2,3,4,5,6 only 5 scenarios. Let's say dealer bust on this 5 scenarios, we are still at a disadvantage. (And what if dealers draw 2,3,4,5,6 and yet draw a subsequent card and not bust)

17 is dangerous when dealer's card is strong.

I will take 20pts as win, 17 surrender half and total win 1/2 credit.

17 if I don't surrender, 20pts win, 17 lose, I have 0 credit.

It is very very tough to have both 17 and 20 winning at the same time when dealer has strong cards.
Playing 1 hole, 2 hole, 3 holes or more got difference and strategy is different. Ultimately is to maintain overall win if playing more holes.
 
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