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Me thinks and hope the sodium battery would be a good alternative.... futhermore the mining of lithium is very polluting and the batteries have recycling issues

Sodium Replaces Lithium In a New Type Of Battery
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Professor Y. Shirley Meng of the UChicago Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering. Image courtesy of Dr. Y. Shirley Meng
If nations are to meet their sustainable energy goals, experts argue that batteries will be a crucial part of the equation. Not only are batteries key for many technologies, they’ll also be necessary to meet energy demands with a power grid that is mainly supplied by renewable energy sources like wind and solar. Without batteries, power from those sources can’t be stored for use when the sun isn’t shining or the wind isn’t blowing.

Right now, many technologies depend on lithium-ion batteries. While they certainly work well and have revolutionized mobile devices and electric vehicles, there are drawbacks. First, the lithium, cobalt, and nickel they require can only be found in some countries, and there have been accusations of unethical mining practices, including child labor. The mining and production processes also emit a large amount of CO2, and the batteries themselves can explode and cause fires, although these incidents are becoming less common.

A promising, greener solution to our battery needs could be something called a solid-state battery. Lithium-ion batteries conduct electricity through a liquid electrolyte solution, while solid-state batteries do so with solid materials, such as ceramic, glass, and sulfides. This means they have lower risk of fires, charge faster, have higher voltages, and can be recycled. However, their development has taken longer than expected, due to cost, production hurdles, and lack of large-scale, real-world testing.

Earlier this month, teams at the University of Chicago Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering and the University of California San Diego published a paper in Nature Energy demonstrating the world’s first anode-free, sodium-based, solid-state battery architecture, which can charge quickly and last for several hundred cycles. Its main ingredient, sodium, is much more abundant than lithium, cobalt, and nickel, which could mean more affordable and environmentally friendly batteries in the future.

Ira Flatow sits down with Dr. Y. Shirley Meng, a professor at the University of Chicago Pritzker School of Molecular Engineering and chief scientist for energy storage science at Argonne National Laboratory, to talk about the advancement, and when we could expect to see these unique batteries in our devices.

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Dr. Y. Shirley Meng is a professor of Molecular Engineering at the University of Chicago and the chief scientist of the Argonne Collaborative Center for Energy Storage Science at Argonne National Laboratory in Lemont, Illinois.
Energy drnsity of lithium ion has reached stratospheric level making sodium batteries, which should be cgearer, ineffective fir EV use. But it is ok as battery storage power to stabilised grids which uses lots of green power
 

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Samsung delivers solid-state battery for EVs with 600-mile range as it teases 9-minute charging and 20-year lifespan tech​

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Samsung has been shipping its solid-state battery with high energy density to electric vehicle makers, but warns that it will first land in more expensive models. It is also ready to deliver other promising battery technologies
 

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Samsung delivers solid-state battery for EVs with 600-mile range as it teases 9-minute charging and 20-year lifespan tech​

Samsung solid-state battery (Image source: Marklines.com) Samsung solid-state battery (Image source: Marklines.com)
Samsung has been shipping its solid-state battery with high energy density to electric vehicle makers, but warns that it will first land in more expensive models. It is also ready to deliver other promising battery technologies
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Energy drnsity of lithium ion has reached stratospheric level making sodium batteries, which should be cgearer, ineffective fir EV use. But it is ok as battery storage power to stabilised grids which uses lots of green power
So will these solid state batteries replace the lithium battery n b saferer cheaperer etc?
 

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EV is the future. Net zero carbon emission. Sheeple will like it. It’s all divide and conquer. You don’t like brand A, buy brand B. You don’t like brand B, buy brand C. In the end, all will still fall into the same agenda
 

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China is way ahead in the EV game in terms of cost containment, diversity of models, value for money and loads of features. And near monopoly on batteries (even Tesla uses BYD batteries).

But all lithium ion batteries are inherently highly flammable, regardless of QC. Under certain conditions they can catch fire spontaneously which can be very difficult to extinguish, resulting in threat to life and property. So lithium is an interim solution; in the longer term more viable alternatives to fossil fuels will have to be found.

No, I don't feel safe with EVs.
EV still need more time to refine esp battery tech
 

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EV is the future. Net zero carbon emission. Sheeple will like it. It’s all divide and conquer. You don’t like brand A, buy brand B. You don’t like brand B, buy brand C. In the end, all will still fall into the same agenda

Unstoppable mega trend, some still think can reverse. No chance
 

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EV is the future. Net zero carbon emission. Sheeple will like it. It’s all divide and conquer. You don’t like brand A, buy brand B. You don’t like brand B, buy brand C. In the end, all will still fall into the same agenda
I like EVs as it means no longer have to go petrol station...but the tech n 2nd hand market not developed yet...so buy now sure loose money....but in singkieland it's ok as only hold car for 10 years...so no biggie. In ang mor lands it's basically hold forever
 

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So will these solid state batteries replace the lithium battery n b saferer cheaperer etc?
They are safer, charge faster and they work better at lower temperatures, important in winter in temperate countries.

Problem has always been achieving power density (hence range) and cost of production. The Japs (Toyota) and Chinese (GAC) are leading the way - first production models probably by 2026.
 

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They are safer, charge faster and they work better at lower temperatures, important in winter in temperate countries.

Problem has always been achieving power density (hence range) and cost of production. The Japs (Toyota) and Chinese (GAC) are leading the way - first production models probably by 2026.
Anyway...for me to buy an EV with Solid state batteries etc..will be only commercially viable in 10 years...I might no longer be around by than
 

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Anyway...for me to buy an EV with Solid state batteries etc..will be only commercially viable in 10 years...I might no longer be around by than
You can get them soon on Hyundai cars. But cost a premium.
There are other solid state batteries available such as in Europe but they do not have the foundation to mass produce. Car manufacturers in Europe just not interested. You can Licensed these girls mass manufacturing but the batteries evolved so fast, by the time factory is completed, battery maybe out dated.
 
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