Breaking News 47 new coronavirus cases

[A Singaporean]

Majority are now local tramissions. No more can use the excuse that they are mostly imported. Furthermore more are unlink. Gold standard? My toes are laughing.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Not unlink. It’s gets to a point you can no longer contact trace.

 

[glockman]

Not unlink. It’s gets to a point you can no longer contact trace.

It will get to a point we all kena, and we don't know where or how we got it.

 

[syed putra]

Whike most of you are worried about the virus that is very mild, dengue on the other hand has infected over 3500 this year alone. And you get really sick if you get dengue.no cure.doctors will only give you plasma and hope you survive.

 

[handsomeman]

Singapore is finished and 70% people are still oblivious as to what is going on. They are still hanging out at malls, food courts, kopishops, restaurants, supermarkets, casinos, parks and wet markets, believing that everything will be alright as long as the PAP is in charge. And they are going to self inflict pain and suffering to themselves and their elderly members of their family by not putting on a mask when they are out, listening and following PAP propaganda. I feel for my country men and women, but I can never understand their stupidity and the blind faith they put in the PAP government.

 

[nayr69sg]

Whike most of you are worried about the virus that is very mild, dengue on the other hand has infected over 3500 this year alone. And you get really sick if you get dengue.no cure.doctors will only give you plasma and hope you survive.

Yeah but they do still carry out fumigation works right? Still checking those drains to make sure no collection of water. Try to kill mosquitoes right?

Thats the vector.

If not for these measures number of dengue cases will be even higher.

Trouble with covid19 is the "vector" is humans. ie there is no vector. Direct transmission.

 

[zhihau]

Trouble with covid19 is the "vector" is humans. ie there is no vector. Direct transmission.

Doc, correct me if I’m wrong.
We are a host for numerous bacteria and virus at any one point in time, only thing is that we’re immune to the milder bacteria and we’re happy to have them, sic gut bacteria. Clean up too vigorously and the virulent strain may take a foothold and start to multiply

 

[nayr69sg]

Doc, correct me if I’m wrong.
We are a host for numerous bacteria and virus at any one point in time, only thing is that we’re immune to the milder bacteria and we’re happy to have them, sic gut bacteria. Clean up too vigorously and the virulent strain may take a foothold and start to multiply

Yes. You are correct. It is a balance of flora.

This is why constant washing of hands with antibacterial soaps also causes your skin flora to change and is not necessarily a good thing.

Same goes for excessive use of hand sanitizers. Ever seen the hands of one of these people? I guess it is more common to see now during this outbreak.

The best way to avoid getting covid19 is to avoid meeting people.

Of course the economic impact of such a policy is terrible. But that's a different discussion.

Obviously those people who are in business and dont work frontlines will say hell all go back to work! lazy buggers!

Those on frontlines do get worried. We can "assure" them that 80% of people who get infected have mild symptoms. So the risk to you is relatively low. But if they ask have there been people who die? Yes of course. There is still a risk.

I think those who advocate going back to work should lead the way and work on the frontlines.

For example the CEO could take up some shifts on the frontline serving customers.

Landlords and tenants can go to hospitals to volunteer their services there.

 

[CPTMiller]

Majority are now local tramissions. No more can use the excuse that they are mostly imported. Furthermore more are unlink. Gold standard? My toes are laughing.

There must be import before local infection.
If not how to infection comes from heaven or sky??
Government knows it and they believe contact tracing and social distancing can handle.
Many people including WHO praise our government

 

[CPTMiller]

It will get to a point we all kena, and we don't know where or how we got it.

Its not possible all infected.

 

[zhihau]

Its not possible all infected.

80% of us would likely to be carriers...

 

[nayr69sg]

Its not possible all infected.

why not?

Actually eventually will all have to be exposed. Whether infected or not

 

[glockman]

why not?

Actually eventually will all have to be exposed. Whether infected or not

Let's talk about the body building its own immunity. Are you aware of cases where people developed immunity to SARS, seasonal flu, H1N1?

 

[nayr69sg]

Let's talk about the body building its own immunity. Are you aware of cases where people developed immunity to SARS, seasonal flu, H1N1?

I take it you are referring to people who get exposed and then have very mild symptoms and are then immune?

Sure to have had such cases. But it is not useful information because there is no way to predict who will get immunity without complications.

Also often such cases do not present to the doctor. They just resolve on their own. So the only way to know is to ask a study population retrospectively and test them for immunity.

 

[glockman]

I take it you are referring to people who get exposed and then have very mild symptoms and are then immune?

Sure to have had such cases. But it is not useful information because there is no way to predict who will get immunity without complications.

Also often such cases do not present to the doctor. They just resolve on their own. So the only way to know is to ask a study population retrospectively and test them for immunity.

Yes, referring to people who got exposed, had mild to moderate symptoms and recovered on their own. No doctors involved. OK got it, very difficult to know.

 

[nayr69sg]

Yes, referring to people who got exposed, had mild to moderate symptoms and recovered on their own. No doctors involved. OK got it, very difficult to know.

I have been saying it for a while now. There is NO NEED to report how many cases you find.

Just report what the ICU bed situation is.

eg Total number of ICU beds in X city. Number of ICU beds available. Number of patients needing an ICU bed but are waiting for one.

That is important.

All the other how many cases and what not serve ZERO purpose on the ground really. And the way we test is totally flawed because it is limited by how many tests you have and can perform and biased depending on what your criteria is for screening.

I would only screen people who are very sick and need in hospital admission eg O2 support or ventilator treatment, IV fluids etc

All the deaths and total number of cases you choose to test for is fear mongering.

I suspect they need the fear mongering to continue to justify people staying at home and physically distancing from each other.

 

[glockman]

I have been saying it for a while now. There is NO NEED to report how many cases you find.

Just report what the ICU bed situation is.

eg Total number of ICU beds in X city. Number of ICU beds available. Number of patients needing an ICU bed but are waiting for one.

That is important.

All the other how many cases and what not serve ZERO purpose on the ground really. And the way we test is totally flawed because it is limited by how many tests you have and can perform and biased depending on what your criteria is for screening.

I would only screen people who are very sick and need in hospital admission eg O2 support or ventilator treatment, IV fluids etc

All the deaths and total number of cases you choose to test for is fear mongering.

I suspect they need the fear mongering to continue to justify people staying at home and physically distancing from each other.

Everyone's using deaths, number of cases as the yardstick to measure, because like you mentioned, it drives the message home. It is more dramatic but also a good indicator of the extent of the spread and it's severity. People can understand better.

"Total number of ICU beds in X city. Number of ICU beds available. Number of patients needing an ICU bed but are waiting for one" is good for medical staff and planners. But is something a layman would not be able to fully appreciate.

BTW, Alberta now has these numbers
Confirmed: 690
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 0
Active: 682

Hope to see some recovery happening soon, a good morale boost for people.

 

[nayr69sg]

Everyone's using deaths, number of cases as the yardstick to measure, because like you mentioned, it drives the message home. It is more dramatic but also a good indicator of the extent of the spread and it's severity. People can understand better.

"Total number of ICU beds in X city. Number of ICU beds available. Number of patients needing an ICU bed but are waiting for one" is good for medical staff and planners. But is something a layman would not be able to fully appreciate.

BTW, Alberta now has these numbers
Confirmed: 690
Deaths: 8
Recovered: 0
Active: 682

Hope to see some recovery happening soon, a good morale boost for people.

The "confirmed cases" is very very lousy reflection of what is truly going on.

For example Alberta has stopped testing travelers coming from abroad. They assume they are high risk and ask them to stay at home. They no longer test them.

This has led to a lower number of cases reported.

Like I said what's the point in reporting these numbers if it is highly dependent on who you want to test?

The main purpose is to keep your hospitals functioning. Not overwhelm them.

Perhaps another way is to show wait times at EDs. How many waiting to see dr? Average waiting time to see dr?

What you want to is to let people know the hospitals are still ok or if they are FUCKED.

Who good comes out of reporting how many cases you want to find by testing? Especially when everyone is asked to isloate at home anyway?

If you want, go test a random number of people. Determine what the true incidence rate of covid19 is.

 

[glockman]

The "confirmed cases" is very very lousy reflection of what is truly going on.

For example Alberta has stopped testing travelers coming from abroad. They assume they are high risk and ask them to stay at home. They no longer test them.

This has led to a lower number of cases reported.

Like I said what's the point in reporting these numbers if it is highly dependent on who you want to test?

The main purpose is to keep your hospitals functioning. Not overwhelm them.

Perhaps another way is to show wait times at EDs. How many waiting to see dr? Average waiting time to see dr?

What you want to is to let people know the hospitals are still ok or if they are FUCKED.

Who good comes out of reporting how many cases you want to find by testing? Especially when everyone is asked to isloate at home anyway?

If you want, go test a random number of people. Determine what the true incidence rate of covid19 is.

They were and I believe still are testing everyone that are referred by the clinics. Clinics sieve out patients who do not have the "relevant" symptoms. There was a page on the MOH website showing total tested, total infected, etc. I can't find that now. I think it is good that they are still continuing with testing. I just hope the next wave doesn't explode and overwhelm the hospital. Thus far, it seems pap is still very confident of themselves and the system.

 

[Leongsam]

I really have to admire the way the PAP is successfully controlling this pandemic.

This shows just how well organised the government is to deal with every possible situation.

Singaporeans can sleep well knowing that the government has their back.