Breaking! Malaysia wants control of its airspace! Fuck Seletar Airport!

[steffychun]

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...ingapore-over-seletar-airport-landing-system/

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia will issue a protest note to Singapore over the operation of the instrument landing system (ILS) to be used by Seletar Airport near its border with Johor, says Transport Minister Anthony Loke (pic).
The protest note by Wisma Putra comes in wake of Singapore's decision to start broadcasting the ILS at Seletar Airport early next year despite Malaysia's decision not allow it on grounds that it will infringe the nation's sovereignty and airspace near Pasir Gudang, Johor some 2km away.

"The broadcast is against the principle of national sovereignty as accorded under the Convention of Civil Aviation 1944.
"The government, through Wisma Putra, will issue a protest note immediately to Singapore in connection to the breach of this principle of sovereignty," he said when answering a question raised by Hassan Abdul Karim (PH-Pasir Gudang) during Minister's Question Time in Parliament on Tuesday (Dec 4).

Loke informed MPs that the ILS would affect development in Pasir Gudang as there would be height restrictions imposed on structures and also affect shipping activities at the Pasir Gudang port.
"The government had decided not to allow Singapore to broadcast its ILS, with this decision conveyed to Singapore on Nov 28 and 29," he said.
However, despite this, Loke said Singapore would begin broadcasting its ILS on Jan 3.
"The government is committed towards defending our sovereignty and to ensure that the nation's interest is safeguarded," Loke said to thumps of approval from lawmakers.
Loke also said that Malaysia had informed Singapore that it would be taking back its delegated airspace in phases, which was accorded to Singapore in 1974 under the Operational Letter of Agreement Between Kuala Lumpur And Singapore Area Control Centres Concerning Singapore Arrivals, Departures And Overflight (LOA 1974).
He said the nation's airspace would be reclaimed between 2019 and 2023.
To a supplementary question by Datuk Seri Ahmad Maslan, Loke said that Malaysia would not take a confrontational approach over the issue but would engage Singapore in further discussion.

Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nat...r-airport-landing-system/#oKsg4ZYWB4A4h68T.99

 

[syed putra]

I thought large planes landed in seletar recently due to bad weather at changi.

 

[Asterix]

Singapore should use this and the water issue as an excuse to invade Johore, Malacca and Negri Sembilan. Their Defense Minister already revealed state secret - only 4 of their fighter jets are air worthy. Just follow the Israeli game plan in 1967 seven day war - destroy as much of their air force as possible in a surprise attack, then use absolute air superiority and armoured forces to invade. No more water and airspace problems ......... but will have terrorist problem. Small price to pay for all that land and resources and the m&ds will be very humble after that. What's the point of spending billions of $$$ every year on armed forces if you're not going to pull the trigger when provoked?

 

[batman1]

Don't worry lah .S'pore got many Generals on standby in army barracks /mess room drinking draft beer every day Happy Hour !
Can recommend Desmond Kwek or Fatty Kim Ng Yat Chung to charge North.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Singapore to annex Johor... settle all...

 

[steffychun]

Singapore should use this and the water issue as an excuse to invade Johore, Malacca and Negri Sembilan. Their Defense Minister already revealed state secret - only 4 of their fighter jets are air worthy. Just follow the Israeli game plan in 1967 seven day war - destroy as much of their air force as possible in a surprise attack, then use absolute air superiority and armoured forces to invade. No more water and airspace problems ......... but will have terrorist problem. Small price to pay for all that land and resources and the m&ds will be very humble after that. What's the point of spending billions of $$$ every year on armed forces if you're not going to pull the trigger when provoked?

NSF got energy to invade?

 

[steffychun]

Don't worry lah .S'pore got many Generals on standby in army barracks /mess room drinking draft beer every day Happy Hour !
Can recommend Desmond Kwek or Fatty Kim Ng Yat Chung to charge North.

Desmond busy consulting.

 

[syed putra]

Singapore should use this and the water issue as an excuse to invade Johore, Malacca and Negri Sembilan. Their Defense Minister already revealed state secret - only 4 of their fighter jets are air worthy. Just follow the Israeli game plan in 1967 seven day war - destroy as much of their air force as possible in a surprise attack, then use absolute air superiority and armoured forces to invade. No more water and airspace problems ......... but will have terrorist problem. Small price to pay for all that land and resources and the m&ds will be very humble after that. What's the point of spending billions of $$$ every year on armed forces if you're not going to pull the trigger when provoked?

They i think asking for control of their airspace. Is that a sin?

 

[Semaj2357]

They i think asking for control of their airspace. Is that a sin?

nope, it's not haram at all - m&ds have to know that the ils is required for planes landing here from mudland's direction; overlapping is unavoidable

 

[garlic]

Here we go again.

 

[Insider Player]

Here we go again.

Mad hatter give pap headache.
I say give that man a tiger!

 

[JohnTan]

I fear we have to go to war with jiuhu to teach them some manners. Jiuhu adik must learn to respect Abang Singapura.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Southern Johor airspace arrangements 'have worked well', changes will affect many: MOT
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An aerial view taken from a helicopter shows Singapore (left) and Malaysia's southern state of Johor on Feb 2, 2016. (Photo: AFP/Roslan Rahman)
04 Dec 2018 04:30PM (Updated: 04 Dec 2018 06:52PM)
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SINGAPORE: The current airspace arrangements over southern Johor have benefitted both Singapore and Malaysia, and any changes will impact many stakeholders, Singapore's Ministry of Transport (MOT) said in a statement on Tuesday (Dec 4).
The statement was made in response to remarks by Malaysia's Transport Minister Anthony Loke, who said in parliament on Tuesday that Malaysia wants to reclaim its "delegated airspace" in southern Johor.

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In its statement, MOT pointed out that under current airspace arrangements, the provision of air traffic services in the airspace over southern Johor was delegated to Singapore, and that airspace in this region was one of the "most complex in the world".
"Air traffic growth is one of the fastest in the world. The benefits to both our economies and our people have been tremendous," said MOT. "The current airspace arrangements have been working well and have facilitated this growth.
"Hence, any proposed changes will impact many stakeholders. Consultations will therefore be required to minimise the impact on airlines and passengers."
READ: Malaysia wants to 'reclaim delegated airspace' in southern Johor


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The current airspace arrangements were agreed upon in 1973 by Malaysia, Singapore and other regional states, and subsequently approved by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), the ministry said. A bilateral agreement was then signed between Malaysia and Singapore in 1974.
LANDING PROCEDURES AT SELETAR IN USE "FOR DECADES": MOT
MOT said it noted that Mr Loke had made "several comments" regarding the publication of the Instrument Landing System (ILS) procedures for Seletar Airport, but that the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore had in 2014 informed Malaysia's transport ministry of the move of turboprop operations to Seletar Airport.
The ILS procedure refers to an assisted navigational aviation facility at the airport which provides vertical and horizontal guidance to pilots while the flight is descending and approaching the runway.
In December last year, the ILS procedures were shared with the Civil Aviation Authority of Malaysia, said MOT, but added that "despite repeated reminders", it had received "no substantive response" from the Malaysian authority until late November this year.
On Tuesday, Mr Loke said that Malaysia notified Singapore on Nov 28 and 29 of its objection to the publication of the ILS, citing the impact on developments and shipping operations in Pasir Gudang, and that Singapore still published it on Dec 1.
READ: Firefly unable to get approval from Malaysian regulator to operate at Seletar Airport, says CAAS

In its statement, MOT said the ILS procedures were designed to align with existing flight profiles into Seletar Airport which "have been used for decades", and also take into account existing structures at Pasir Gudang.
"The procedures therefore do not impose any additional impact on other airspace users as well as businesses and residents in Johor," said MOT.
There are also existing procedures and equipment to ensure that shipping on the Straits of Johor would not be affected, said the ministry.
"In fact, the ILS procedures will enhance safety for all users and residents."
It said it noted Malaysia's desire to provide air traffic services for the airspace, and added that any proposal should ensure air traffic safety and efficiency are not compromised while also being in accordance with ICAO standards.
"Sovereignty is a fundamental principle of international law. Singapore respects Malaysia’s sovereignty. At the same time, international law is clear that cross-border airspace management is not incompatible with sovereignty," the ministry said.
"Singapore and Malaysia are close neighbours, who have had a long history of cooperation and friendly competition," it said. "We need to work together to tackle our common challenges and find constructive ways to resolve our differences when interests diverge.
"With goodwill, a win-win outcome is possible. We will approach this recent development in the same spirit."
SELETAR AIRPORT HAS BEEN AROUND "FOR DECADES": KHAW
Pointing out that Seletar Airport is not a new airport, Singapore's Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said that the ILS procedures are in line with the current flight profile, and publishing them was just a translation of the current situation onto paper.


"Seletar has been around for umpteen years, for decades," the minister told reporters on Tuesday.
"The flight path has been there for umpteen years, for decades, and the new procedures are are not any new procedures, they just translate the current situation (onto) paper."
This in fact enhances safety, said the minister, adding that it made safety rules clearer and more transparent.
"So we are not introducing new flight paths, new flight patterns with this Seletar Airport."
READ: Malaysia's desire to take back airspace 'not a straightforward decision': Khaw Boon Wan
He noted Malaysia's decision to "take back the airspace", but said that it was not a straightforward decision to "just change the status quo".
ICAO procedures are "quite clear" that any such changes must improve on the status quo, said Mr Khaw.
"If it doesn't improve on the status quo, then what is the point of changing?" he asked. "The criteria for improvement are safety and efficiency. Does it make it safer? Does it make it more efficient? Otherwise, why change?"
Source: CNA/nc(cy)
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[Hypocrite-The]

Malaysia's desire to take back airspace 'not a straightforward decision': Khaw Boon Wan
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Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan speaks to reporters.
04 Dec 2018 06:44PM (Updated: 04 Dec 2018 07:51PM)
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SINGAPORE: Malaysia's desire to reclaim the airspace in southern Johor is not a "straightforward decision", said Singapore's Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan on Tuesday (Dec 4).
Malaysia's Transport Minister Anthony Loke had brought up the topic in parliament earlier Tuesday, saying Malaysia would discuss its plans in greater detail with Singapore and, if necessary, refer to the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) for further advice.

Speaking to reporters, Mr Khaw said that the Malaysian authorities had earlier informed the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore of its intention to take back the airspace, citing "sovereignty issues and so on".
READ: Malaysia wants to "reclaim delegated airspace" in southern Johor
Malaysia had protested a new Instrument Landing System (ILS) at Singapore's Seletar Airport to be used by turboprops and business jets. The flight path would lead to height limits on building development and affect shipping operations in Johor, Mr Loke had said.
However, Singapore's Ministry of Transport said in response that the ILS aligns with existing flight profiles into Seletar Airport which "have been used for decades".

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The current airspace arrangements were agreed upon in 1973 by states in the region, including Singapore and Malaysia. A bilateral agreement was then signed between Malaysia and Singapore in 1974.
"But as you know, airspace management has nothing to do with sovereignty," said Mr Khaw. "In fact, many countries have their airspace - or at least part of their airspace - managed by other countries."


Mr Khaw said airspace management is "very much about safety and efficiency".
"We note Malaysia's desire to take back the airspace, but as you know, this is a very congested airspace, probably one of the most complex airspaces in the world ... So it is not a straightforward decision to just change the status quo."
Mr Khaw said that ICAO procedures and processes indicate that any change must improve the status quo.
READ: Southern Johor airspace arrangements "have worked well", changes will affect many - MOT
"If it doesn't, what is the point of changing? The criteria for improvement are safety and efficiency. Does it make it safer? Does it make it more efficient? Otherwise, why change?" said Mr Khaw.
Now that Malaysia has proposed a change, there must be "proper consultation" with the many stakeholders involved, he added.
PROTEST OVER CHANGE IN JB PORT LIMITS
Mr Khaw also touched on the Malaysian government's move to extend the Johor Bahru port limits, over which Singapore has lodged a "strong protest".
Changes to the port limits were announced through Malaysia's Federal Government Gazette on Oct 25, in a document published by the Attorney General's Chambers.
Mr Khaw said that there have been repeated intrusions into Singapore waters by Malaysian government vessels in the last two weeks.
"I alerted Minister Anthony Loke that Malaysia has unilaterally expanded the Johor Bahru port limits, encroaching into Singapore territorial space. Obviously, there's a violation of our sovereignty and also international law.
"We duly issued a third-party note to protest against the action and requesting them to immediately amend their gazette ... to take into account our sovereignty concerns," said Mr Khaw.


"Mr Loke told me this was a move on the part of their foreign affairs and that their ministry of foreign affairs will reply to us. But while waiting for the response, which didn't come ... they went on to publish a port circular, and a few weeks later, a mariners' note - instructions to the shipping community about new boundaries."
"NOT CONDUCIVE" FOR BILATERAL RELATIONS
Mr Khaw noted that the current situation is not favourable for both countries.
"If we carry on like this, certainly it's not conducive for a good bilateral relationship," he said. "There's much we can gain, win-win, working together. Many problems cross-border - you can't do it by yourself."
He raised the example of the traffic jam on the Causeway linking Singapore and Malaysia.
"I can't solve it single-handed. You can't solve it single-handed. If we sit down together, we may be able to improve the situation," he said.
READ: Singapore lodges "strong protest" over extension to Johor Bahru port limits

Mr Khaw said he would approach the matter the same way he did the recent discussion about the KL-Singapore High-Speed Rail (HSR) project.
"So the approach I take, as I said as in the HSR project, let's sit down and let's understand each other," said the minister. "What is bothering you? What is the concern? And we try to find some common solution ... which can be win-win.
"I always believe that with some creativity and goodwill, and of course mutual respect, we can always arrive at such an outcome," he said.
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[Hypocrite-The]

I fear we have to go to war with jiuhu to teach them some manners. Jiuhu adik must learn to respect Abang Singapura.

You are right,,,it seems its not only the airspace, it is the port as well,,,,I think war might be sinkielands only option

Singapore lodges 'strong protest' over extension of Johor Bahru port limits
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A container ship enters the Singapore Strait, as tourists stand at mainland Asia's southern most point in Johor, Malaysia on Nov 12, 2016. (Photo: Reuters/Henning Gloystein)
04 Dec 2018 04:50PM (Updated: 04 Dec 2018 06:52PM)
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SINGAPORE: Singapore has lodged a "strong protest" with the Malaysian government over its move to extend the Johor Bahru port limits "in a manner which encroaches into Singapore's territorial waters off Tuas", said Singapore's Ministry of Transport (MOT) in a media statement on Tuesday (Dec 4).
Changes to the port limits were announced through Malaysia's Federal Government Gazette on Oct 25, 2018, in a document published by the Attorney General's Chambers.

Singapore said it has requested that Malaysia refrain from taking any further unilateral action, and to amend the gazette notification "to reflect the sovereignty of Singapore over the waters in question".
The Maritime and Port Authority of Singapore has also issued a circular on Nov 30, instructing ship masters and owners of vessels to disregard Malaysia’s gazette notification.
Singapore's Transport Ministry added that Malaysian vessels - from the Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency and Marine Department Malaysia - have repeatedly intruded into Singapore's territorial waters off Tuas over the past two weeks.
"Singapore has protested the unauthorised movements of, and purported assertions of sovereignty by these vessels, which are inconsistent with international law," said the MOT statement.

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"The Republic of Singapore Navy and the Police Coast Guard are safeguarding the sovereignty of Singapore territorial waters and enforcing the security of these waters on a 24/7 basis. Singapore will not hesitate to take firm action against intrusions and unauthorised activities in our waters."
The statement added that the actions by Malaysia are "a serious violation of Singapore’s sovereignty and international law".
"These actions are unconducive to good bilateral relations, cause confusion for the international shipping community, and lead to increased navigational and safety risks for all parties," MOT said.
"Singapore stands ready to engage with Malaysia to resolve these matters amicably, in accordance with international law."
"WE HOPE GOOD SENSE WILL PREVAIL": KHAW BOON WAN
Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Singapore's Transport Minister Khaw Boon Wan said he had raised the issue with his Malaysian counterpart Anthony Loke.


"Minister Anthony Loke told me it was a move on the part of their foreign affairs (ministry), and that their ministry will reply to us. But while waiting for the response, which didn't come, in fact, they escalated actions.
"They went on to publish a port circular and a few weeks later, a mariners note - instructions to the shipping community about their new boundaries - so we issued a second third-party notice," said Mr Khaw.
"We hope that good sense will prevail because if we carry on like this, certainly it's not conducive."
READ: Southern Johor airspace arrangements 'have worked well', changes will affect many: MOT

READ: Malaysia's desire to take back airspace 'not a straightforward decision': Khaw Boon Wan
Singapore on Tuesday also responded to remarks by Mr Loke who said that Malaysia wants to reclaim its "delegated airspace" in southern Johor.
The current airspace arrangements over southern Johor have benefitted both Singapore and Malaysia, and any changes will impact many stakeholders, said Singapore's Transport Ministry.
It also pointed out that procedures for aircraft landing at Seletar Airport were designed to align with existing flight profiles into the airport which "have been used for decades".
The procedures take into account existing structures at Pasir Gudang and "do not impose any additional impact on other airspace users as well as businesses and residents in Johor", said MOT.
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[steffychun]

Cum Malaysia, nuke Sinkieland!

 

[syed putra]

Give jiu hu their ktm land back!

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Give jiu hu their ktm land back!

Why? It's singkieland property anyway

 

[maxxi]

They are insulted because implication is only Sinkie can operate the airspace safety others cannot.

 

[KuanTi01]

Singapore and Malaysia should go to war! Fighting twins!